I don’t think you’re correct, and I’ve felt welcomed around feminists (though I’ve never been in explicit feminist spaces). Even if you are though, it doesn’t detract from my point. The goals of feminism help men too. If followed to completion, it removes gender roles from being strictly necessary. It allows people to be what they want.
Feminism is part of a larger movement, hence intersectional feminism. Even that though is part of a larger movement of liberalizing society to accept all people for who they are. Yes, there are also some groups who use feminism to exclude other people (TERFs, for example), but usually if people agree women should be allowed in roles normally reserved for men then gender norms aren’t real and are necessarily oppressive, for everyone.
I agree with you. I see that what feminism fights for is good for men too, and lots of the “rank-and-file” of feminism has no issues with men, but if i would ask at a meeting what we could do for men so that they can get out of the patriarchate and feel safe, i’m pretty sure that i would get a lot of blank stares and then an earful.
There are not many groups which work on what a male-centric approach to get rid of the patriarchate might even look like, or what men would need in a system that has gotten rid of the patriarchate so that an equilibrium can be reached (and not patriarchate 2: electric feminism).
but if i would ask at a meeting what we could do for men so that they can get out of the patriarchate and feel safe, i’m pretty sure that i would get a lot of blank stares and then an earful.
yeah this is a great point and it’s not even the case that [feminists are uninterested in the issues facing men] because i think a lot of them will agree with fervor that patriarchy is harmful to men and perpetuates the issues they experience.
but shit brother they got enough problems they’re trying to solve on their own time. these aren’t just upstream issues, they’re a separate branch of the same river.
I don’t think you’re correct, and I’ve felt welcomed around feminists (though I’ve never been in explicit feminist spaces). Even if you are though, it doesn’t detract from my point. The goals of feminism help men too. If followed to completion, it removes gender roles from being strictly necessary. It allows people to be what they want.
Feminism is part of a larger movement, hence intersectional feminism. Even that though is part of a larger movement of liberalizing society to accept all people for who they are. Yes, there are also some groups who use feminism to exclude other people (TERFs, for example), but usually if people agree women should be allowed in roles normally reserved for men then gender norms aren’t real and are necessarily oppressive, for everyone.
nothing that you’ve said here contradicts my point and you’re demonstrating a profound misunderstanding of intersectionalism.
I agree with you. I see that what feminism fights for is good for men too, and lots of the “rank-and-file” of feminism has no issues with men, but if i would ask at a meeting what we could do for men so that they can get out of the patriarchate and feel safe, i’m pretty sure that i would get a lot of blank stares and then an earful.
There are not many groups which work on what a male-centric approach to get rid of the patriarchate might even look like, or what men would need in a system that has gotten rid of the patriarchate so that an equilibrium can be reached (and not patriarchate 2: electric feminism).
yeah this is a great point and it’s not even the case that [feminists are uninterested in the issues facing men] because i think a lot of them will agree with fervor that patriarchy is harmful to men and perpetuates the issues they experience.
but shit brother they got enough problems they’re trying to solve on their own time. these aren’t just upstream issues, they’re a separate branch of the same river.