But if they do that they might upset their corpo donors!! Thats terrible!! Instead they should just do strongly worded press conference.
Another moderately worded letter is in the works as we speak.
Let the finger wagging commence!
This is what I think he is talking about when he says fight. I believe he is refering to embracing popular policies (I.e. Universal healthcare, public housing programs, etc.). Here is a link to what democratic politicians CAN do to slow the slide into fascism.
That’s just not how politics works in the US. Politics is a career, or in many cases a stepping stone to a career. They’re not there to fight anyone, they’re there to achieve their personal ambitions. They’re not ideological warriors, they’re white collar elites. They don’t necessarily have any ideological commitments, and as such they will simply adopt whatever the ideological paradigm is at any given time.
I don’t expect any politician to fight Trump, if doing so means compromising their career ambitions. If there’s going to be a fight, it has to be fought by the people, not the politicians.
I think it might be time to start harassing politicians to do their jobs.
No I think it’s time to harass politicians to get jobs. Politician was never supposed to be a career path despite turning into one
Run. For. Office.
These fucking stooges go into congress and sit on their thumbs for decades at a time I guarantee that anyone on lemmy with a comment history bigger than 200 could argue for better positions in American politics than any congressional rep sitting in congress for the last 50 years. They’re all spineless cowards. They need to be unseated and we need to replace them with real people who have jobs and fucking live in the world they have to make laws for. Congress pays a salary, I don’t want to hear people talk about “oh I cant I have work.” This is possibly the single most important political moment in American history and we need fighters on the front lines. The civil war started when a member of congress got up and BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF A SLAVER IN THE ROTUNDA. WE NEED THOSE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW.
Join dsa, go canvass for someone who is already running for local office, go find orgs that are doing mutual aid in your community and contribute to that effort however you can, fundraise for causes you care about within your community and get the people who are passionate enough to show up for fundraisers to turn into campaigners with you. Build a movement in your home town that cant be shaken by corporate media because you have your own news ecosystem that the people in your movement are all attuned to instead of billionaire owned corporate stations. This is the real work that has to be done if we actually want to fight the systems that have been corrupted, and I don’t see anyone explaining that anywhere.
It isn’t hard to start a movement it’s hard to convince people that it’s easy to start a movement. Plenty of Americans understand what is happening and are afraid. What they are afraid of is being the only one to stand up, don’t let them be alone. Build a coalition, define your goals, make a plan, and execute it. Hearts and minds. Just remember that the ultimate goal of a fascist administration is to make people convinced that the only thing you can’t do is organize and defeat it.
Definitely. No office should be more important than your local office. They are the only ones who will ever have an actual interest in representing you.
Even if you are someone like myself who wouldn’t make a good actual candidate for a highly public office. Because of the stress and strains of having to mask Etc. Your time and resources can make all the difference to those local offices.
There’s no better way to accomplish nothing, then waiting around for the national parties to come to your rescue.
Big fucking facts. It doesn’t have to be all of us, but there are plenty of people I’ve talked to in my conversations that do have a grasp on politics and probably COULD convince people that they were better than the two parties. If there was ever a time to start running as republicans in deep red districts and just talking about socialist policies its now. People have no idea what politics are anymore.
For example: I’m a centrist, I believe in universal Healthcare and a jobs guarantee, I want a 90% tax rate on corporations, and social security should be funded from the age of 50 for all Americans. It’s really easy. Words dont mean anything anymore. Tell your people what they want to hear and then get in office and fuck shit up. If fascists could do it why cant you?
As an anarchist. I’d say that doesn’t go far enough. But it is absolutely a good start. I’m all for doing it. So long as we don’t stop there. Because that would only really reset things to something like they were a hundred years ago. But it wouldn’t stop everything that’s happened since then from happening again. We gotta start with what’s achievable first. That’s what matters.
And you can expect a ton of people to push back against anyone trying to improve things for people.
Not sure why he is trying to change the Democratic party instead of aligning with a different party like PSL or Greens and trying to change them. The DNC will never allow the Democrats to change. Never.
“with his 4.4 million mostly progressive young male followers on Twitch and YouTube”
LOL the author makes it sound like it’s Timcast or something
There is a pretty diverse audience, it ain’t just “bro dudes”
But you’ve spend decades convincing democrats that anger solves nothing and working with people is always the better way. Don’t be surprised you have no warriors when you’ve only been training sheep.
But if they Fight Trump they MIGHT Make People’s lives Not as Bad and that’s COUNTER to the DNC and Chuck Schumer Strategy of MAKING SURE AMERICANS SUFFER!
The Democrats were voted out of power. Stupid Americans. You voted for this shit. You gotta live with it.
They were voted out because they failed at politics! Hasan is telling them how to stop failing at politics. It’s not new advice, and the party is as unlikely to heed it now as it ever was.
There were vioted out because Americans are fucking stupid.
When have voters not been “stupid”? That is a well known factor in US politics. If voters were smart we would never even have heard of Trump or Biden or Harris in the first place.
It’s like there isn’t enough understanding how fucking stupid of a move this was. It was the worst possible scenario.
Think about yelling at a couple of white chess pieces left in the board “GET ANGRY! Fight!” when the full black set is there minus a couple of pawns.
I’m not saying don’t but you don’t have much to actually do anything with. Protesting and civil disobedience I would think a lot the best options and it doesn’t seem like people have an appetite for those at scale.
The issues are that 1.) It never seems to accomplish much beyond getting some poor protesters killed by inept cops that never got training on how to use beanbag or rubber rounds, and 2.) The US is a BIG place. We can’t all just take a day off in the middle of the week to fly across the country. We’re broke and tired, trying to make rent, not waste a few hundred precious dollars to potentially get killed for saying the wrong thing.
Now I get it, this is absolutely the time to be protesting. Now more than ever. But man, I’m tired. I’m broke. I’m lucky to have enough gas to make it to work. I can’t pick up and go to DC whenever.
I most certainly did not and have not.
And he took his part by spouting russian propaganda and bashing democrats relentlessy during the election cycle.
Trump wants a “civil war”, and he’s helping.
I don’t even know who this guy is, but getting angry won’t get you anything and violence will only get you killed.
Boycot
Fund raise
Protest
Vote
Those are our options at this point.
And he’s saying that the Democrats should push for those, basically, instead of doing… check notes nothing.
Hey now, don’t forget the signs they held up quietly while nobody was looking.
Bernie and AOC just held the largest political rally in Iowa since 08 Obama…
If you think they can be doing more, everyone would love to hear what path is faster.
But we have the DNC and the Dem’s most popular politicians doing a nationwide tour whipping up support and explaining why shit is fucked and how we can fix it.
Like, I just don’t understand what more people want?
Not the result, but what they should be doing to fix things faster.
We had a rally. What more do people want
For them to fight for the people. Resist.
It’s well past time that the people fight for themselves.
Resist
How?
You want Bernie to plate up and grab an AK?
Like, I just don’t understand what more people want?
Not the result, but what they should be doing to fix things faster.
How
That’s a disingenuous question.
No it’s not…
You said they should be doing more, but as specific as you can get is “resist”. Which they’re already doing.
If you can think of anything more than what they’re already doing, please, for the sake of our fucking country share it with the class.
It’s against the rules of the .world instance to speak specifics.
So what are Bernie and AOC doing besides screaming fight Trump exactly? We are almost a year in and they still present no plan. Except starting of every speed with Israel has the right to defend itself, apparently.
You would hope that politicians like them who are getting paid to do this stuff full time would have something more meaningful to say than we need to organize. They are the people who are supposed to present the plan. And they have no plan.
Their raison d’etre is preventing people from organizing around those who actually do have plans.
So what are Bernie and AOC doing besides screaming fight Trump exactly?
Going to red and purple districts and explaining how Republicans are fucking them over, and what progressives can do to fix it if they’re elected in enough numbers.
We are almost a year in and they still present no plan.
It’s been less than 4 months since Trump took office…
They are the people who are supposed to present the plan. And they have no plan.
They can not do anything without the numbers, which is why they’re talking to constituents in districts most likely to flip and telling them to pressure their Republican representatives I to breaking against trump. Literally the only way we can do anything till midterms.
Like, y’all want something done today that will fix things today…
That’s a drastic misunderstanding of how our political system works, and it shows that no one can articulate what they want done.
Like toddlers screaming for ice cream, you can’t explain to them that you’re currently on the way to get ice cream and the screaming ain’t gonna make it happen faster.
Who elected in enough numbers? If we have enough DNC establishment ghouls it will magically change?
You are already ignoring the Dems passing Trumps funding bill. These people will not fight Trump.
the Dems
If you’re lumping AOC, Pelosi, Schumer, and Bernie all in one group…
You could say “the Dems” are doing damn near anything at any given moment…
Kamala Harris is working tirelessly for a ceasefire.
but getting angry won’t get you anything
Being angry is a prerequisite to the things you listed, and also, you forgot the most important item: Organize. There’s simply no way America gets a happy ending without a general strike, and the work to make that possible starts now, right this second.
I’m of the opinion that MLK Jr. was largely successful because folks saw the alternative was Malcolm X… and they still fought MLK Jr. tooth and nail.
You need two things to get a political movement going. First you need to reach a critical mass by creating public sympathy for your movement. This can almost only be done with peaceful protests like MLK. Violent resistance is too easy to demonize and shut down when people do not sympathize with your cause.
Then the critical mass needs to be turned into action, which is what Malcolm X did.
If you start off the movement too radically, it will never be able to reach critical mass.
He’s the current most watched left wing political streamer.
He’s not “left wing” he doesn’t want political parties…
For comparison he shares a lot of policy views with AOC and Bernie, but they wanted to reform the Dem party by kicking neoliberals out of DNC leadership.
It was a long fight but we just accomplished it.
Piker doesn’t care. And still thinks we should destroy both parties. Which makes zero sense to destroy a resource we just captured.
It would be great to reform our political system and do away with the two parties. But trying it now would be insane.
You think Bernie and AOC captured the DNC? Man I really wish I was still this naive. Waiting until this point is what’s insane, sticking with the Democrats now after they did a game of chicken with their own voters over a genocide they were fully supporting is what would be insane. The reason democrats are a failed political party is because they have done nothing but align themselves more and more with Republicans. After 4 years of people screaming at Biden to stop being bipartisan and hang these fascists they campaigned on putting more republicans in the cabinet than Biden. Bernie and AOC are there to keep people like you happy and shut you up when you ask for more than crumbs from the party proper. It’s working marvelously.
If you want to vote for republicans then do that but don’t go around talking about how republicans are the bane of existence and then vote for the other party promising to make sure that half their choices are made by republicans like come on.
You dont seriously believe any of this party drivel do you? They are backed by the same billionaire interests and they only pass laws that are approved of by the 1% the graphs are available. Please stop telling people that we need to rally for the democrats. Democrats are the only hope FOR CAPITALISTS to hold onto power and continue exploiting us without scrutiny the same way they have been for 80 years.
If you thought shit was sweet before trump congratulations you were a victim of propaganda. It’s never to late to wake up to reality.
You think Bernie and AOC captured the DNC?
Nope.
I think the movement they’re at the front of lead to replacement of DNC voters who just voted in a no biased chair, which is all progressives need to get to the general.
If you thought shit was sweet before trump
Never said that, and I frequently and explicitly say the opposite…
I just wanted to make sure you weren’t saying the DNC is run by Bernie and his ideological allies. Even if it was, Bernie is not the socialist voice of America that he claims to be, and his actions both historically and in the current day should tell you as much.
A progressive dnc doesn’t fix the issues of consultants, it doesn’t fix the moneyed interests, it doesn’t fix lobbying, and it certainly doesn’t help us get a socialist elected. Idk what the plan is. David Hogg isn’t a socialist. The establishment dems are already attempting a coup because David Hogg dared to say they might have to consider fighting for something at some point in the future. He’s barely progressive and the democrats proper are reacting like they got holy water thrown on them.
This is not the hope you seek. The true hope is within your community with the people who will actually show up and fight for you when there is no food left on the shelves. We’re past waiting for the DNC to realize their role and take up the mantle to save America, they were given that opportunity and chose over and over to instead be the party that delivered us into collapse. Please, I’m begging you. Don’t keep waving the flag for people who would sell your foundations from under you in seconds if given the chance. There are actual political movements that plan on giving power back to the people who deserve it: the workers. Help them. They don’t believe the democrats will do what they’re saying, why should you? Unionize your workplace, organize your neighborhood, canvass with dsa and see what a real progressive movement looks like. This bullshit the dnc is trotting out will be visibly farcical to you after having done work on the ground. I cant help much more than that, the answers will become clear when you surround yourself with actual goal oriented activists instead of democrat stooges.
I just wanna say: I’m not making judgements on you personally, more talking to the royal “you” as in whoever is still trying to align with dems. You dont seem like an idiot, I just think you’ve been mislead into believing a narrative that doesn’t exist in reality. It’s tough to break through that narrative without being a little abrasive so I apologize if anything I’ve said here came across as an attack on your intelligence or your morality. You are not my enemy, the corporate backed oligarchy is my enemy and the DNC is in lockstep with them. I cannot in good conscience allow people of high moral standing continue to be sheep herded into a party that exists exclusively to strangle outside perspectives and whitewash any kind of radical politics. I promise its not you personally getting me this animated. I believe we want the same things. I am just more aware of the fact that the DNC is still in opposition to the things both of us want, and I’m not willing to compromise with them.
A progressive dnc
It’s not a progressive DNC, even tho it is the most progressive chair in 50+ years
It’s a nonbiased DNC, and that’s all progressive politicians have ever needed: a fair fight.
We’re past waiting for the DNC to realize their role and take up the mantle to save America, they were given that opportunity and chose over and over to instead be the party that delivered us into collapse.
You’re thinking of the DNC as a single entity and not ~500 voting members…
Most of which had been there for a very long time and are now slowly dying off or less often retiring and giving their seat/vote up.
The true hope is within your community with the people who will actually show up and fight for you
Those are the type of people they’ve been getting replaced with, it’s been a long process and has taken decades of a grass roots movement to accomplish.
I’ve been waiting for this since I was a kid and watched the DNC close ranks to protect Bill Clinton for lying under oath.
I’m gonna give it more than 3 months before declaring it a failure.
I’ll agree to give it another 3 months and see where we are, and I appreciate you not getting bogged down in the minutia and sticking to broad strokes. Like I said, I believe we are envisioning the same future and I dont want you to think I am fighting against you. My first election was 2016, so I’m a bit more cynical. I have less optimism for those 500 members to seize the moment instead of entrenching their dying position one last time. Could it happen? Sure. I just feel it’s equally as likely that a grassroots movement takes its place. I hope for the sake of the country you’re right.
Every change for the good must be backed up with “And we will fight you to the death over this.”
Fourth box.
We did all those things, none of them worked.
I don’t even know who this guy is
His uncle was a founder of The Young Turks, and gave him an internship. One day a host was sick so they plugged him in, and then he started streaming on his own.
He’s an incredibly wealthy nepo baby who doesn’t actually understand politics, just that shit is fucked.
So he can never articulate solutions, he just complains about problems.
His entire business model is getting on twitch. Reading news articles about how fucked shit is, then saying:
Chat, is this fucked? This is fucked, right?
And everyone agrees with him because shit has been fucked for decades.
But you’ll never hear give a single solution, so compared to stuff like Cody Johnson I just don’t see the appeal. I guess he makes some people feel smart when they agree that shits fucked.
I havent watched him, so cant speak directly for his content, but isn’t pointing out problems to a large audience better than not?
If he doesnt know the solutions, why not leave that to someone who does instead of suggesting something that could possibly be harmful?
I think highlighting the real issues to the population is important because right now the blame for everything is wrongly put on immigrants and minorities.
I know Twitch causes echochambers in the channels, but maybe a few right wing people are curious about his stream and it could make them think differently?
I recommend just listening to him yourself and making up your own mind instead of whatever bullshit that dude is saying
He is a news aggregate with a fake leftist filter and is totally audience captured.
His audience are tankies who justify the actions of Hamas and dismiss any wrongdoing. To paraphrase “I don’t care if rapes happened (on October 7th), it doesn’t change the situation for me at all.”
He lives in a multi-million dollar mansion, wears designer clothes, drives a Porsche, and complains about capitalism.
“I don’t care if rapes happened (on October 7th), it doesn’t change the situation for me at all.”
To not paraphrase, the point was that oct 7th was a less egregious act of violence than what Isreal had been doing and is doing currently.
So yea, it’s fair to say that it doesn’t change much if the oct 7th had behaded babies or if it had Palestinian gifting flower crowns to Israeli snipers martiring themselves while singing Imagine.
Considering that Israel does the equivalent of an October 7 against civilians in Gaza roughly every few weeks, yeah whether or not rapes happened on October 7th doesn’t really change the overall situation.
To put it into perspective, the October 7 death toll is roughly 1,200. Since then, the death toll in Gaza has been around 40,000. No amount of rapes on October 7th will absolve Israel or change the dynamic.
Are you saying that rape is an acceptable?
"I want more out of AOC and Bernie,” he said. “I want them to channel the anger and resentment that they have towards issues to chip away and undermine Trump’s agenda.”
He keeps saying that…
But can’t go any further with what he wants.
Dudes acting like a toddler who was told McDonald’s ice cream machine is broke. The toddler doesn’t have a plan of action, they’re just upset. Even when you’re actively driving them to a new place to get ice cream, all they know is they don’t have any yet
Not sure what else to expect from a nepo baby streamer…
But can’t go any further with what he wants.
He’s mentioned times and times again that he’s convinced there’s a wide interest in medicare and reproductive rights. I’m not sure where your expectations from Twitch streamer sits though, maybe you want him to run for president?
EDIT: also, more relevant, the whole “let’s not arrest and deport people arbitrarily”.
He’s mentioned times and times again that he’s convinced there’s a wide interest in medicare and reproductive rights.
Things progressive politicians already know, because they’re big reasons they’re already in office…
also, more relevant, the whole “let’s not arrest and deport people arbitrarily”.
Same answer…
And I still have the same question:
What does anyone expect them to do?
If you think Bernie and AOC can do more, I’m sure they’d love to know how you expect them to accomplish it. Seriously, if you, this nepo streamer, literally anyone has a better path, everyone on the left would love to hear it.
Like, the chair change is huge, and the biggest win we’ve had in half a century.
We’re on our way to get ice cream, we just can’t instantly teleport to a new McDonald’s, we have to drive there. And no amount of screaming or crying will get there faster. Believe me, everyone in the car would rather be there already
I don’t find your argumentation convincing at all.
You go from a priori defining the democrats as a party that both already knows public opinion, that enhact the optimal strategies to a point where there’s not even the notion of a better strategy, but you never draw the connecting between that and where we are now, historically and politically.
There’s two party in your (?) country, and currently one of them is blatantly disregarding human rights.
It’s fair to assume the other party has, is, failing in opposing that.
The argument of Piker, of course, is not in good faith. He thinks the democrats are not aequately opposing Trump because, at the end of the day, they are aligned on many front or at least not unaligned enough.
You go from a priori defining the democrats as a party that both already knows public opinion, that enhact the optimal strategies to a point where there’s not even the notion of a better strategy, but you never draw the connecting between that and where we are now, historically and politically.
Because the DNC is essentially a dictatorship where the chair has all the power and zero accountability to anyone.
Seriously, the chair could write themselves a $500 million dollar check for consulting and it would be legal, they can do whatever they want and that is a huge problem.
So being mad at the DNC today for anything they did more than 3 months ago is like refusing to watch the new Batman movie because George Clooney’s batsuit had bat-nipples on it.
No one is saying you shouldn’t be upset at bad things that happened in the past. But holding a completely different group accountable for those past decisions doesn’t make any logical sense.
No one working on the latest Batman worked on Clooney’s nipple suit.
And no one running the DNC today, was able to make calls about what happened 3 months ago.
I am waiting with trepidation at the imminent collapse of fascism and the return, nay, the renaissance, of the United States of America and, haralded by them, the world at large.
I’m sorry political change feels slow to the tiktok generation, but at least you seem to understand now.
haralded by them
We can worry about spelling later.
Going by your username I’m older than you, also I’ve never had a tiktok account.
But yes, I do speak somewhat fluently a foreign languadge, thank you for noticing!
