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    1 day ago

    He’s not “left wing” he doesn’t want political parties…

    For comparison he shares a lot of policy views with AOC and Bernie, but they wanted to reform the Dem party by kicking neoliberals out of DNC leadership.

    It was a long fight but we just accomplished it.

    Piker doesn’t care. And still thinks we should destroy both parties. Which makes zero sense to destroy a resource we just captured.

    It would be great to reform our political system and do away with the two parties. But trying it now would be insane.

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      23 hours ago

      You think Bernie and AOC captured the DNC? Man I really wish I was still this naive. Waiting until this point is what’s insane, sticking with the Democrats now after they did a game of chicken with their own voters over a genocide they were fully supporting is what would be insane. The reason democrats are a failed political party is because they have done nothing but align themselves more and more with Republicans. After 4 years of people screaming at Biden to stop being bipartisan and hang these fascists they campaigned on putting more republicans in the cabinet than Biden. Bernie and AOC are there to keep people like you happy and shut you up when you ask for more than crumbs from the party proper. It’s working marvelously.

      If you want to vote for republicans then do that but don’t go around talking about how republicans are the bane of existence and then vote for the other party promising to make sure that half their choices are made by republicans like come on.

      You dont seriously believe any of this party drivel do you? They are backed by the same billionaire interests and they only pass laws that are approved of by the 1% the graphs are available. Please stop telling people that we need to rally for the democrats. Democrats are the only hope FOR CAPITALISTS to hold onto power and continue exploiting us without scrutiny the same way they have been for 80 years.

      If you thought shit was sweet before trump congratulations you were a victim of propaganda. It’s never to late to wake up to reality.

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        23 hours ago

        You think Bernie and AOC captured the DNC?

        Nope.

        I think the movement they’re at the front of lead to replacement of DNC voters who just voted in a no biased chair, which is all progressives need to get to the general.

        If you thought shit was sweet before trump

        Never said that, and I frequently and explicitly say the opposite…

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          23 hours ago

          I just wanted to make sure you weren’t saying the DNC is run by Bernie and his ideological allies. Even if it was, Bernie is not the socialist voice of America that he claims to be, and his actions both historically and in the current day should tell you as much.

          A progressive dnc doesn’t fix the issues of consultants, it doesn’t fix the moneyed interests, it doesn’t fix lobbying, and it certainly doesn’t help us get a socialist elected. Idk what the plan is. David Hogg isn’t a socialist. The establishment dems are already attempting a coup because David Hogg dared to say they might have to consider fighting for something at some point in the future. He’s barely progressive and the democrats proper are reacting like they got holy water thrown on them.

          This is not the hope you seek. The true hope is within your community with the people who will actually show up and fight for you when there is no food left on the shelves. We’re past waiting for the DNC to realize their role and take up the mantle to save America, they were given that opportunity and chose over and over to instead be the party that delivered us into collapse. Please, I’m begging you. Don’t keep waving the flag for people who would sell your foundations from under you in seconds if given the chance. There are actual political movements that plan on giving power back to the people who deserve it: the workers. Help them. They don’t believe the democrats will do what they’re saying, why should you? Unionize your workplace, organize your neighborhood, canvass with dsa and see what a real progressive movement looks like. This bullshit the dnc is trotting out will be visibly farcical to you after having done work on the ground. I cant help much more than that, the answers will become clear when you surround yourself with actual goal oriented activists instead of democrat stooges.

          I just wanna say: I’m not making judgements on you personally, more talking to the royal “you” as in whoever is still trying to align with dems. You dont seem like an idiot, I just think you’ve been mislead into believing a narrative that doesn’t exist in reality. It’s tough to break through that narrative without being a little abrasive so I apologize if anything I’ve said here came across as an attack on your intelligence or your morality. You are not my enemy, the corporate backed oligarchy is my enemy and the DNC is in lockstep with them. I cannot in good conscience allow people of high moral standing continue to be sheep herded into a party that exists exclusively to strangle outside perspectives and whitewash any kind of radical politics. I promise its not you personally getting me this animated. I believe we want the same things. I am just more aware of the fact that the DNC is still in opposition to the things both of us want, and I’m not willing to compromise with them.

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            23 hours ago

            A progressive dnc

            It’s not a progressive DNC, even tho it is the most progressive chair in 50+ years

            It’s a nonbiased DNC, and that’s all progressive politicians have ever needed: a fair fight.

            We’re past waiting for the DNC to realize their role and take up the mantle to save America, they were given that opportunity and chose over and over to instead be the party that delivered us into collapse.

            You’re thinking of the DNC as a single entity and not ~500 voting members…

            Most of which had been there for a very long time and are now slowly dying off or less often retiring and giving their seat/vote up.

            The true hope is within your community with the people who will actually show up and fight for you

            Those are the type of people they’ve been getting replaced with, it’s been a long process and has taken decades of a grass roots movement to accomplish.

            I’ve been waiting for this since I was a kid and watched the DNC close ranks to protect Bill Clinton for lying under oath.

            I’m gonna give it more than 3 months before declaring it a failure.

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              22 hours ago

              I’ll agree to give it another 3 months and see where we are, and I appreciate you not getting bogged down in the minutia and sticking to broad strokes. Like I said, I believe we are envisioning the same future and I dont want you to think I am fighting against you. My first election was 2016, so I’m a bit more cynical. I have less optimism for those 500 members to seize the moment instead of entrenching their dying position one last time. Could it happen? Sure. I just feel it’s equally as likely that a grassroots movement takes its place. I hope for the sake of the country you’re right.

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                22 hours ago

                I’ll agree to give it another 3 months and see where we are

                I mean…

                The only way anything will change before midterms is if a handful of Republicans break from trump and flip the House or Senate.

                That’s why AOC and Bernie are touring red districts and telling them to contact their Republican reps.

                It’s very unlikely to work, but makes beating them in midterms more likely since the Republicans aren’t helping their voters now.

                So 3 more months?

                Not trying to crush your hopes but it needs a longer timeline.

                Personally I’m cautiously optimistic, but the midterm primaries is where we’ll really know what Martin’s DNC is like. But every sign so far has been a good one.