I fear for her safety. I hope she stays safe.
AOC needs to find her Saiyan Rage and go full speed at Trump
He’s probably shitting his diapers in impotent rage lol Imagine all the ketchup being thrown.
Keep it up AOC and Bernie!
He is all that and more
Well he fuckin is.
I support this message. Hope she doesn’t get deported.
She will 100% but maybe that what need to be so a real revolution start because the peaceful protest don’t do shit to stop fascist
Too bad people couldn’t be bothered to vote last year.
But the Democrats didn’t offer them a pony
At this point, I assume anyone still harping on this is a conservative provocative looking to stir up division.
The truth is it’s possible for more than one group to be at fault. Those who stayed home have a ton of blame, the centrist dipshits at the DNC have a ton of blame, and the Republicans themselves have the most blame of all.
Quit trying to sew division. We need unity now, not to rehash old grievances.
Oh FUCKING NOW we need unity?!
Fuck you people forever.
The left:
If we don’t give voters what they want, we’re gonna end up with fascism.
Fascists:
Take over a country because “moderates” fight the left harder than fascism
“Moderates”:
Why dont we just blame the left again?
Do you legitimately not understand what’s happening now?
Because it’s literally the same way Nazis came to power the first time; “moderates” fighting the left
Absolutely incredible to acknowledge that voters chose fascism because the alternative wasn’t perfect enough, yet still act like they’re blameless.
Yes
The voters weren’t given a good enough choice to hold their nose for the 4th time in a row…
You’re acting like people just chose this election to sit out and havent been disenfranchised for (for the majority of Dem voters) their entire lives.
Because for you personally, things haven’t been that bad yet, so you refused to help anyone else because “what are they gonna do, vote Republican?”
Completely ignorant of how voting works and that the result would just be checking out of politics and not voting. Which when enough Americans do, Republicans win elections
You didn’t want to help anyone, and now you’re mad the people you weren’t going to help no matter who won the election didn’t help you
As I told someone else, the solution is helping everyone so people will be motivated to vote because they have something to lose.
Like, how the fuck does someone make it to 2025 and realize that people with nothing to lose act like they have nothing to lose?
The “moderate” wing followed the same playbook that got Hitler elected by fighting the left harder than they fight the right…
And are now acting shocked when the same result happened.
So you’re mad at everyone that warned you like people in the 1500s burning a woman for being a witch because she said a storm was coming.
Fucking ridiculous mate. But at least you feel self important, that’s what matters to some people I guess.
Are you fucking suggesting we held our nose to vote for President Obama?
People are dumb emotional animal, and propaganda works. Bitching about this fact won’t change it. We live in a system where everyone gets to vote, even the stupid. If you as a politician fail to appeal to everyone, regardless of intelligence, then you are the one to blame.
“Taking a stand against genocide” = pony. Got it.
Well, now we have genocide in the US, so how did taking that stand work out?
Lol, where LMAO? Stop cheapening the meaning of words
You alright?
Or eggs.
Do I need to change my name to name-name-3digits to join your trollfarm?
Edit: they got me boys, there goes all my karma. Hahah.
Oh no. Don’t group me with those people please
based on your comment history… its ok, you’re cool. :)
Haha this feels like the poor folks who end their username with their birth year being 88.
Not all is random name 3 letters are trolls.
I think you might have me confused with someone else. I do have 4-5 accounts on different instances, but only because I abandon my current one every few months and use my email provider to generate a new alias for a new instance and use the alias as my username.
This is for anonymity purposes because I’ve been vocally critical of the current US administration, but I guess my writing style is unique enough that you could follow me. Thanks for letting me know I need to step up my game.
It does follow the pattern you noticed, but I’m sure I’m not the only user who does this. And I never re-login to an account once I make a new one.
Can confirm. No pony was offered and several people on here loudly proclaimed they would be allowing trump to win because of it.
What?
“Entwine” is one word…
But could you imagine Ent wine? Like, what does a tree get drunk on?
Fermented orc blood. Distilled for a really good time. There was a really good vintage out of the East recently.
I think it’s ent wine, but I just use the email alias that my provider generates for me when I change accounts and instances every few months for a layer of anonymity.
I guess I piss off ByteData enough that he’s noticed the pattern my provider uses, but didn’t notice that once I switch accounts I never use the old one again.
Plus, I’m probably not the only one who does this.
When trump was president the first time, we all agreed it was bad and things needed fixed.
A large amount of Dem voters held their nose and voted Biden because he was the only option and even Biden was better than trump…
But instead of fixing anything, Biden just tried to gaslight America that things were fine, and didn’t actually fix anything despite having the House and Senate like trump does.
Then Biden held on to the last possible moment so there wouldn’t be a primary, tried to hand the nomination to an even more historically unpopular VP who couldn’t win, and she said she wouldn’t do anything different, except putting a Republican in her cabinet.
So you can blame voters not voting.
But it just sounds like a shady car salesman bitching no one will buy his lemons.
It’s the literal and only job for a candidate and their campaign team to win an election. We can’t blame primary voters for picking a bad option, they had no say in who the candidate was.
This is bigger than your ego being wrong about what voters will put up with
We can’t afford to deny reality so you feel better about your unpopular opinions about what Dem voters want.
It can simultaneously be true that the democrats did a god awful job campaigning, and that people are fucking idiots for not voting for them.
If Kamala would have won the neoliberals would have maintained control of the DNC another four years, would have squashed the primary again, and we’d have been stuck voting for someone we don’t want who won’t fix anything for 8 years…
Shit is too bad to keep not fixing it.
It would have been kicking the can down the road another couple years and we’d be in the same scenario again. Meanwhile the wealthy would continue winning and 99% of us would keep losing.
Maybe it wasn’t bad for you till now, maybe you’d even be fine waiting a decade before we fixed anything…
But most Americans weren’t
Getting upset that they didn’t care about you after decades not caring about them makes you look at best uninformed about the entire last 50 years of American political history.
So…
How about you stop bitching that the people you wouldn’t help didn’t help you and start working with everyone else that needs help.
That’s the way to actually get anyone help, if you’re not in board, don’t be surprised when no one wants to listen to you
So true bestie, glad we voted in a fascist so we don’t have to worry about elections at all anymore. Really stuck it to those pesky libs.
Maybe you voted for trump, but I held my nose like I always do.
Crazy you all think everyone explaining why Kamala lost didn’t vote for her.
Like, I guess it makes sense tho, without the empathy to understand why some people couldn’t or wouldn’t hold their nose, you also can’t understand how anyone else can empathize with them.
To someone like that, it would make sense why they’d assume anyone explaining this didn’t vote D.
It’s sad, but thanks to empathy I can understand why you’re saying the things you’re saying, and why you can’t understand anything that’s happening
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They didn’t do a bad job campaigning, they told us exactly who they are, barely left of trump Republicans
Remind me how many times Biden violated the constitution?
Don’t get me wrong champ, shit needed to change, but you do see how the situation now is a lot fuckin worse? Right?
Biden just tried to gaslight America that things were fine, and didn’t actually fix anything
You spell “things were slowly improving from disaster” and “didn’t allow america to slide into recession as we emerge from global 100-year pandemic” weird.
I love how this ‘gaslight’ lie is itself a gaslight. Sorry Stein lost, but she couldn’t have won, and wasn’t supposed to. She was funded to fool you and others into forgetting it was really a binary choice, and your split votes allowed Republicans to win. Take the win.
Almost all the recovery went to the owner class, and you’re fucking blaming the working class for noticing. Quit your bullshit.
Almost all the recovery went to the owner class under Biden, so let’s elect Trump and transfer EVERYTHING to the owner class.
I never said the public was smart, just at least a little bit observant. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
When the status quo sucks, any chance at improvement—even a dubious one—starts to look good. That’s why it was so fucking essential for the Democrats to pivot left economically, not (just) socially! But they abjectly refused, because in their heart of hearts neoliberals are aligned with the capitalist owner class and thus would rather have a fascist dictatorship than a socialist democracy.
the oniony layers of gaslighting are incredible here: the republicans won because the democrats didn’t vote. there aren’t enough split voters to even cover the gulf of voters that the democrats lost anymore and they lost it because of their support for the genocide.
But instead of fixing anything
When we showed you literally how he was fixing things, you LITERALLY DENIED REALITY AND CALLED IT FAKE NEWS.
You people are a cult just as bad as MAGA, and serve the same ends.
When I don’t like the deal my car dealer offers, I tell him no, and I leave.
When I don’t like the deal the democrats offer, I tell them no, and I call anyone on Lemmy who supports them a fascist. And I don’t care who calls me a tankie, I stand with Russia!
But it’s okay. I’m sure the people who couldn’t be bothered to pick up a ballot will be happy to pick up a rifle.
Too bad Dems held no primary and foisted a genocidal dementia patient on us as the only alternative.
Too bad the progressives who had four years to get Bernie on the ballot fell asleep.
I donated to Bernie in 2016, 2020, and 2024.
I also support Bernie, as he’s closest to actual representation for me. But I think you’re slightly mistaken here - progressives did support him and got him on the primary ballot in ‘16 and ‘20 elections, and both times as he was gaining momentum the establishment democrats colluded to steal the nomination from him.
In 2016 it was Hillary and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz with the superdelegate voting scheme in exchange for access to the Clinton Foundation coffers. And in 2020 it was the foolhardy betrayal and backstabbing by other “progressives” in the race in exchange for theoretical cabinet positions promised by Biden, almost none of which materialized. Both times, the corporate media smear campaign against Bernie was in full force, because to them anything which upsets the status quo threatens their profit margin, and the rich capitalists who own these multinational news networks consider that blasphemy.
Vote for what, the people that gave us trump, the people that denied a genocide of brown people was occuring, the people that welcomed war criminals with open arms? 50 years of liberals lesser evil gave us incremental fascism.
Frederick Douglas worked for Lincoln even though Lincoln wasn’t running as an anti-slavery candidate
Douglass was also very involved in national politics, and as the presidential election of 1860 approached, he advocated for candidates with strong antislavery platforms. American voters received a ballot crowded with four candidates: Abraham Lincoln (Republican), John C. Breckenridge (Southern Democrat), Stephen A. Douglas (Democrat), and John Bell (Constitutional Union). Douglas’s belief in “popular sovereignty,” Breckenridge’s pro-slavery platform, and Bell’s aversion to the issue entirely left Frederick Douglass to endorse Lincoln and the Republicans, whom he believed were more antislavery than the divided Democrats.
People voted, but the MAGA Nazis rigged the election, and we ALL know it. Too bad the Democratic leadership decided to help the MAGA Nazis cover it up, and declare that they won “fair & square.” Rich Democrats like Schumer can be bought as easily as any Republican.
the MAGA Nazis rigged the election
I wish to investigate your citations.
It seems quite likely, but aside from the plain-sight rigging (gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc etc) I haven’t seen anything except that one “computer science” guy whose numbers were contradicted by election officers.
Not exactly a citation but it was pretty weird when someone found one of the DOGE staffers’ participation in a hackathon around vote manipulation that got him real close with Musk as a result. Then he started wiping his connections once it was made public.
https://bsky.app/profile/denisedwheeler.bsky.social/post/3lhowh3ijgs2f
So, the MAGAs didn’t rig the election in 2020 and let Biden win, and then when they were out of power decided to steal it? You contradict yourself.
Honestly, I suspect they’ve been trying trying their hardest to rig the last several elections, which is why they were so pissed off and in denial about 2020: they were incredulous that they rigged it and still managed to lose anyway.
But yeah, we’ve been having exit poll discrepancies, Republican success strangely correlating with the installation of Diebold voting machines with no paper ballot, outsized performance for certain Republican candidates even though Democrats won down-ballot races, and other weird anomalies for couple of decades now.
That said, I don’t necessarily think that Republican rigging changed the 2024 outcome. I was watching them insert MAGAts into election boards, pack the courts, and gear up to refuse to certify votes and whatnot, so I was fully expecting “stop the steal 2.0” except successful this time. But then Harris gave a big middle finger to the left and subsequently underperformed so badly that she just lost outright, so the foul play wasn’t even necessary.
The truth is that outright stealing elections via vote rigging is an incredibly risky strategy. If you do that, and you get caught? That’s the kind of thing that can legitimately trigger an actual civil war. Rationally, it’s just not worth the risk. It’s especially not worth the risk when there are plenty of other shady but legal options available like gerrymandering, voter roll purges, corrupt judicial rulings, etc.
This dynamic is also why you rarely see companies bribing politicians with giant bags of cash delivered in the night. There’s no need to engage in such overt bribery, as they’ve already constructed a system where legal forms of bribery (campaign contributions) exist.
We have no idea what a peaceful protest of significant size can do. We’ve never seen one.
We’ve seen peaceful protests, sure. And some not-so-peaceful ones. But non-violence is really difficult to manage and wield.
Are protests really about “doing” things though?
A rabble or riot might storm a location like on Jan 6, but is that going to topple a government? Maybe in the middle ages where you could depose a king but since then I don’t think so.
Civil Unrest, if maintained over weeks and months might achieve something. If the population is ungovernable I imagine that might motivate republicans to impeach but things would have to get real bad.
Other than that a protest is really just a public statement of duress. It’s an appeal to all the people who usually dont pay any attention to politics et cetera.
She will 100%
Why are people up voting random bullshit like this?
There is not a 100% chance, and if there was, we wouldn’t know about it.
Its almost always people who insisted no problems existed when Biden was in office though.
If you think trump won’t start deporting it’s political enemy ( starting by the more vocal of them ) and do a big show about it then you are living in a dreamland
And where did i say Biden had no problem?
Isn’t that the ultimate goal and why we started sending people to El Salvador without due process?
If you think trump won’t start deporting it’s political enemy
I do think that…
But no one except trump knows that.
Someone said they hoped she wouldn’t be, and you said:
She will 100%
Do you understand the problem with your statement?
And where did i say Biden had no problem?
I remarked:
Its almost always
I don’t think I’m going to be able to help you here if you legitimately don’t see any differences in what we’re saying
Its almost always
I don’t think I’m going to be able to help you here if you legitimately don’t see any differences in what we’re saying
You think walking back on the conditionals is helping?
AOC should team up with Blue State governors to campaign solely in their states, with their protection. Trump WILL try to dispose of her, it is only a matter of time. Having a state’s National Guard to protect her from Dogey goons will be key to allowing AOC to continue working against the regime.
Oh if AOC is touched by that fucking scumbag will be the moment people riot. If not only the left but potentially some of the right who are fans of her as well, or at least fans of her energy (some have said they dont agree on policy but like how she really stands for working class families). I feel like as much as we cant really touch Trump (he would die a martyr for hard right nationalism) if the other side touches AOC the same thing happens but for the cause on the right side of history.
Trump has spent longer at rallies spewing insults at his personal and political enemies. The difference is that she is angry and fired up about justice and genuine love of country. Oh, and everything she said is actually true.
It’s true but hollow. Dems are never going to have as strong a hand as they had in 2021, when Biden was taking office with an open hand and a liberal-friendly bureaucracy.
The government that Trump leaves behind in his second term is going to be gutted and its institutions slaved to whatever technocracy Musk and Thiel can cobble together in the next four years. You’re not going to have a DOJ capable of prosecuting an ex-President or an FBI capable of investing one or a court willing to rule against one. And that’s assuming we still have an election system capable of replacing him or his party.
AOC’s truths are too little and too late. She should have been out there rallying a crowd to scream this shit in Biden’s ear back when it mattered. She should have been holding firm on “Defund ICE” back before they were snatching people off the street and shoving them in El Salvadorian prisons.
That’s the real difference between her and Trump. He spent eight years building a real active reactionary fascist movement. Meanwhile, I don’t see any AOC-Stans storming the capital in the next four years.
She should have been out there rallying a crowd to scream this shit in Biden’s ear back when it mattered. She should have been holding firm on “Defund ICE” back before they were snatching people off the street and shoving them in El Salvadorian prisons.
She was. Turns out nothing you do matters if the entire media apparatus is conspiring with the other side.
You don’t even know what you wish would happen. First you say there’s no way that the Democrats can recover, which ignores the obvious truth that perhaps they could, and also opens up the option that a legitimate party could possibly replace them. Second, you suggest that storming the capital is a good idea, but if that’s the case it doesn’t really matter what happens in the polls, because we’re already moving towards anarchy, right? Third, if you want to get together a group of people and storm the capital, I think you’re going to end up in the morgue very quickly. The cops up there do not like people like you, they will be happy to take down people like you.
About FUCKING time.
She’s been saying it since 2016. It’s just that nobody’s reported it until now.
None of this is false is the thing. He’s literally a criminal. He literally gave out a massive stock tip before reversing direction on tariffs again…
There are also those 34 felony convictions. And the civil court finding that he raped a woman.
Yup. It still boggles my mind that none of that was enough to make Republicans think twice about voting for him.
Now that he’s impacting them financially? Oh noes! I might not vote Republican again! 🙀
But of course, it’s way too late now and we’ll be lucky if we even have another election at this point.
Well, they never heard that information. In many cases very literally. In other cases they “heard it” and dismissed it as “lying” of the “liberal media”.
It’s a cult.
And TREASON! He is literally the most prolific traitor in American history. Not just that, but he is a worse traitor than ALL other American traitors COMBINED!
Any discussion of his criminal activities should lead with the undeniable FACT that he is a Traitor.
Good point, yes. I really should have started with that…
Aren’t the confederates from the us civil war considered traitors? And most of them were racist slave owners?
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Thank you, that website annoyed the hell out of me
Her and Bernie just had the largest political rally in Idaho since 08 Obama…
The people don’t want trump
But the people don’t want a shitbird neoliberals either.
For the vast amount of Dem voters, there’s gonna be at least a 20 year gap between them being able to vote for something rather than just to stop a Republican.
Luckily we finally kicked the “moderates” out of DNC leadership for this first time since Jimmy Carter, longer than most of us have been alive they’ve had control to the detriment of America.
The reason mainstream media is finally ok with criticizing Dems. Is the neoliberals aren’t in control anymore. So now the billionaires want Dem voters to fight the DNC.
Because billionaires no longer control the DNC
at least a 20 year gap between them being able to vote for something rather than just to stop a Republican.
If they can’t do it twice in a row, what’s the chance of 5 in a row?
Good go off queen!
Good. Speaking the truth
She needs to talk about rope.
She’s not wrong. But she should be careful. She has a Hispanic-sounding name and brown skin. Key demographic to get deported (without trial) to a concentration camp ala’ trump.
EDIT: I didn’t mean “be careful” as in “don’t say these things,” I agree with you all-she should DEFINITELY say these things. I mean “be careful” as in “don’t walk to your car unattended, answer the door without checking, talk to police, or take any meetings with someone you don’t know.” - that sort of careful.
I’m actually happy that she’s willing to take the risk.
We wouldn’t be here if more people had taken risks before now.
Looking at you judge Juan Merchan. Capitulation doesn’t protect you from fascists.
We need more people prepared to not be careful. Being careful means acquiescing to oppression in silence. Real resistance means taking risks.
I didn’t mean “be careful” as in “don’t say these things,” I agree with you -she should DEFINITELY say these things. I mean “be careful” as in “don’t walk to your car unattended, answer the door without checking, talk to police, or take any meetings with someone you don’t know.” - that sort of careful.
I don’t think she should be careful. If anything, being as loud as possible and staying in the public eye is what all Democrats should be doing. Because if they do start deporting people that actually speak the truth everyone will know when and how it happens. You can’t hide it and they can’t effectively make a move against her that won’t be seen by the entire world. And I think it’s a sign that we all need to start doing this. If we’re loud and seen instead of raging behind our phone screens it’s a lot harder for people to just disappear.
Exactly. We are in this mess because the Democrats and the media immediately declared an obviously rigged election to be “fair & square” the moment it was over. Being smug about the “peaceful transfer of power” was more important to those weak cowards than protecting America from being destroyed by vicious Nazi traitors.
We are in this mess because the Democrats and the media immediately declared an obviously rigged election to be “fair & square” the moment it was over.
What’s your evidence it wasn’t fair and square? I mean actual sources, not the previously generalized high-level accusations like “they faked the vote count”. I’d be very interested to see them.
You mean actual verified facts like hundreds of thousands of people being purged from roles in shithole red states by the fascist traitors?
Or do you mean like when the traitor himself said that Elon was “really good with the voting machines in Pennsylvania”?
Or “we don’t really need your votes”?
Something a little more concrete than contextualized public statements or the well known tactics of voter roll purges and gerrymandering, etc.
Like vote tallies not matching or something like that.
Gerrymandering does not apply to presidential elections.
They absolutely illegally purged enough voters to steal the election.
Cool - whatcha got? S.o.S. links?
I didn’t mean “be careful” as in “don’t say these things,” I agree with you -she should DEFINITELY say these things. I mean “be careful” as in “don’t walk to your car unattended, answer the door without checking, talk to police, or take any meetings with someone you don’t know.” - that sort of careful.
Oh yeah, definitely. I just want her to be safe but also not back down even a little bit. She’s making waves and needs to continue to do so.
She’s literally part of the organizations that should be taking action. It’s not supposed to be our job. Senators and representatives are the ones paid to be the checks and balances. The bar has been set so low now that someone in the government saying what is going on is wrong is seen as a win. The bar is buried underground at this point.
I didn’t mean “be careful” as in “don’t say these things,” I agree with you -she should DEFINITELY say these things. I mean “be careful” as in “don’t walk to your car unattended, answer the door without checking, talk to police, or take any meetings with someone you don’t know.” - that sort of careful.
Ah, ok. Well that makes sense. I’m sure that she’s already taking precautions because who knows when Ben Shapiro or Elon Musk are going to show up and try to steal her shoes.
lol
It’s not supposed to be our job.
Too much buck pushing in the good ol USA. It is, in fact, our civic duty to be active citizens that hold our elected representatives accountable. Our continual evasion of this responsibility is a large part of what landed us here.
It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that a large portion of the “not our job” folks were the same ones wholly blaming the Russian people for not hanging Putin in the town square.
We’ve lost all sense of duty and honor in favor of the almighty dollar in this country. Yes, our representatives should be holding Trump accountable, but we the people voted his tired, rapist ass back into office.
It’s not supposed to be our job.
We are the managers. And, well, we’ve been pretty slack.
it’s tripping hazard in hell, but democrats have convince everyone that it’s okay because it’s a dry heat.
if she is detained and deported i will literally disown every relative of mine in the US if they dont actively riot.
