• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    21 hours ago

    When trump was president the first time, we all agreed it was bad and things needed fixed.

    A large amount of Dem voters held their nose and voted Biden because he was the only option and even Biden was better than trump…

    But instead of fixing anything, Biden just tried to gaslight America that things were fine, and didn’t actually fix anything despite having the House and Senate like trump does.

    Then Biden held on to the last possible moment so there wouldn’t be a primary, tried to hand the nomination to an even more historically unpopular VP who couldn’t win, and she said she wouldn’t do anything different, except putting a Republican in her cabinet.

    So you can blame voters not voting.

    But it just sounds like a shady car salesman bitching no one will buy his lemons.

    It’s the literal and only job for a candidate and their campaign team to win an election. We can’t blame primary voters for picking a bad option, they had no say in who the candidate was.

    This is bigger than your ego being wrong about what voters will put up with

    We can’t afford to deny reality so you feel better about your unpopular opinions about what Dem voters want.

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      21 hours ago

      It can simultaneously be true that the democrats did a god awful job campaigning, and that people are fucking idiots for not voting for them.

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        20 hours ago

        If Kamala would have won the neoliberals would have maintained control of the DNC another four years, would have squashed the primary again, and we’d have been stuck voting for someone we don’t want who won’t fix anything for 8 years…

        Shit is too bad to keep not fixing it.

        It would have been kicking the can down the road another couple years and we’d be in the same scenario again. Meanwhile the wealthy would continue winning and 99% of us would keep losing.

        Maybe it wasn’t bad for you till now, maybe you’d even be fine waiting a decade before we fixed anything…

        But most Americans weren’t

        Getting upset that they didn’t care about you after decades not caring about them makes you look at best uninformed about the entire last 50 years of American political history.

        So…

        How about you stop bitching that the people you wouldn’t help didn’t help you and start working with everyone else that needs help.

        That’s the way to actually get anyone help, if you’re not in board, don’t be surprised when no one wants to listen to you

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          19 hours ago

          So true bestie, glad we voted in a fascist so we don’t have to worry about elections at all anymore. Really stuck it to those pesky libs.

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            19 hours ago

            Maybe you voted for trump, but I held my nose like I always do.

            Crazy you all think everyone explaining why Kamala lost didn’t vote for her.

            Like, I guess it makes sense tho, without the empathy to understand why some people couldn’t or wouldn’t hold their nose, you also can’t understand how anyone else can empathize with them.

            To someone like that, it would make sense why they’d assume anyone explaining this didn’t vote D.

            It’s sad, but thanks to empathy I can understand why you’re saying the things you’re saying, and why you can’t understand anything that’s happening

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        20 hours ago

        They didn’t do a bad job campaigning, they told us exactly who they are, barely left of trump Republicans

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          11 hours ago

          Remind me how many times Biden violated the constitution?

          Don’t get me wrong champ, shit needed to change, but you do see how the situation now is a lot fuckin worse? Right?

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      21 hours ago

      Biden just tried to gaslight America that things were fine, and didn’t actually fix anything

      You spell “things were slowly improving from disaster” and “didn’t allow america to slide into recession as we emerge from global 100-year pandemic” weird.

      I love how this ‘gaslight’ lie is itself a gaslight. Sorry Stein lost, but she couldn’t have won, and wasn’t supposed to. She was funded to fool you and others into forgetting it was really a binary choice, and your split votes allowed Republicans to win. Take the win.

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        20 hours ago

        Almost all the recovery went to the owner class, and you’re fucking blaming the working class for noticing. Quit your bullshit.

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          Almost all the recovery went to the owner class under Biden, so let’s elect Trump and transfer EVERYTHING to the owner class.

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            18 hours ago

            I never said the public was smart, just at least a little bit observant. ¯\_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

            When the status quo sucks, any chance at improvement—even a dubious one—starts to look good. That’s why it was so fucking essential for the Democrats to pivot left economically, not (just) socially! But they abjectly refused, because in their heart of hearts neoliberals are aligned with the capitalist owner class and thus would rather have a fascist dictatorship than a socialist democracy.

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              14 hours ago

              Under Biden, economic inequality decreased for the first time in a generation.

              But you dumb shits absolutely refused to believe it. Because propaganda fucking works.

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        20 hours ago

        the oniony layers of gaslighting are incredible here: the republicans won because the democrats didn’t vote. there aren’t enough split voters to even cover the gulf of voters that the democrats lost anymore and they lost it because of their support for the genocide.

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      14 hours ago

      But instead of fixing anything

      When we showed you literally how he was fixing things, you LITERALLY DENIED REALITY AND CALLED IT FAKE NEWS.

      You people are a cult just as bad as MAGA, and serve the same ends.

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      20 hours ago

      When I don’t like the deal my car dealer offers, I tell him no, and I leave.

      When I don’t like the deal the democrats offer, I tell them no, and I call anyone on Lemmy who supports them a fascist. And I don’t care who calls me a tankie, I stand with Russia!