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    Donald Trump is literally, yes, using the correct expression: literally – a homegrown criminal.

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    This is exactly why the 2nd amendment exists.

    Those of you who have served in the military and swore an oath to protect us from domestic enemies, please seriously consider honoring your oath before the rest of us have to do it for you.

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      Wow, nothing like a shove forward as you step back right? I got news for you buddy, this isn’t the kind of thing just a few people can fix. The country actually elected him. We need to build a movement to fight this, to prevent the country from just electing the next one.

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      when ice is coming to get me, no amount of weaponry will save me, all I’ll do is take some nazis with me.

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        As others have said, if they take you to a second location, you could either die or end up in a gulag in another country, which is probably as good as being dead.

        May as well fight to the death. Make them pay for it. If you don’t you could end up wishing you had another opportunity to.

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          Exactly this. The fear of torture to death would make me fight back when they bust in. This reminds me to start carrying and leaving easy access to the shotgun at home

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        I want to be very clear here. If they take you, at A MINIMUM, they will beat you, torture you, SA you, and deny you civil rights and human rights. At worst, you die. You want all these slack jawed jackasses that won’t raise holy hell about the government already doing this to immigrants, you’re dead anyway. ‘‘ICE kills US citizen’’ is a much stronger headline than ‘‘Trump says he will do this to citizens’’ additionally when the ICE agents have to deal with the fact that ‘‘just following orders’’ includes a high chance of death, they might question the orders.

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        Honestly, not true? ICE is a bunch of fatass fascist sympathizers that get their rocks off abusing their authority. If they try to kidnap you, they are not going to expect you to be armed and dangerous. They are not going to be prepared for you to fight back.

        You’ll have to flee immediately after, because they’ll send more agents when the first turn up dead, but it at least gives you a chance.

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      I would never ask someone else to risk their lives for me. I think we all need to figure out where our red line is - for me it would be a successful attempt to keep serving in a third term, or actually successfully deporting/imprisoning US citizens without due process. Merely trying or talking about it isn’t enough because if the constitutional process stops him, that means it’s still working.

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        Maybe, just maybe, we should stop the known arsonist - who has declared they are going to burn all our houses down and is now gleefully walking to our neighborhood with a can of gasoline and a blow torch - before they get to the first house

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        non American here. the red line was January 6th. Don’t wait to see if more boxes are checked, every autocracy in history relied on people planning to resist when things ‘really’ got worse. By then it’s always too late. They’re planning accordingly.

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          Trump has learned that people will allow him to keep crossing over their “red line” and will draw an new red line. He’s been doing it for years. Now Americans are saying he can throw out the Constitution, so long as they aren’t yet personally impacted, but they will react at some future point when he gets even worse, maybe.

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    I really wonder how all the protest voters feel about all of this. Not what they’d say they feel, because we’ve all seen their smug and entitled responses- no, what I want to know is; how they actually and honestly feel about all of this.

    Because even though I voted, I’ve seriously thought about it. I’ve tried to put myself in the shoes of someone who has EVERY reason to ask themselves if all of this was worth the entitlement-driven single-issue excuse to avoid doing the bare minimum it would have taken to hold on to the last shred of our democracy- to avoid having to have participated in what might have been America’s last election.

    Yeah. I’m fucking angry.

    And I’m not yet ready to forgive the assholes that helped make this happen. And part of the reason is that while I’ve seen post after post and meme after meme of even the conservatives questioning their reasoning in voting for that corrupt little felonious mouth-breathing gremlin, I haven’t see even ONE of these third party/non-voters so much as make a peep in the general vicinity of remorse.

    If they want to talk about rallying behind a cause- as we see them doing here so many times, they should first start by fessing up and own their shit, because in an adult world, anyone that can admit their mistakes proves they have the honesty, maturity, and humility it takes to deserve trust.

    Otherwise- I see no reason to trust them any further than I would a conservative.

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        So. Your answer is to whine about my comment and offer nothing but ad hominem?

        You could have easily just kept scrolling, or even just blocked me…

        but wait!

        Was there something I’ve said or something I’m doing that bothered you enough to want to complain about it? Do you feel better for having vented your anger and frustrations into words?

        Imagine that!

        (Oh, and for the record- EVERYONE posts their personal “butthurt” feelings about shit in pretty much every single post on lemmy- even you, genius. Or are you forgetting that modlogs are public?)

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            So you’re complaining about my pointing out the fact that someone is complaining about my complaint?

            I wonder… how many layers can this have?

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              No I’m not complaining I’m Stating a fact. If you’re gonna be like this why don’t you just stay on Reddit?

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                So my stating a fact is complaining, but your complaining is staring a fact?

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                And as I remember, Reddit was full of people that complained about people complaining….

                A LOT.

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          Oh no! Someone who engages instead of downvoting! Imagine that! I must put more emotion into it without addressing anything the person said!! lol I’ve already seen where this is going which is why I figured I would save anyone else the trouble and reply to your constant whining before someone else got sucked in. Thank you for making it clear why you’re doing all this though, you have no other way to express yourself or move on. Good luck with all that, if I run into you in the future I’ll make sure to stick with one reply and watch ya fizzle out. Maybe this all might help you in the long run.

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            Wait… you want an award because through all your nonsense blathering and personal attacks that weren’t even relevant to any point- you didn’t downvote me?

            Well why didn’t you say so, my guy?

            ⭐️

            There ya go!

            (In fairness, I did’’t notice the .ml, otherwise I’d have given you your little gold star right out of the gate to avoid this disaster of a discussion)

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              lol defaulting to an instance attack, you’re such a parody.

              Anyone can see from our last conversation that even when replying in good faith you just refuse to engage, there is no point in trying to bring any sort of real conversation with you.

              Anyone can also see from your modlog, you’ve been crying about voters for months and are still continuing to do so.

              idk wtf the award pivot was trying to do or what you’re even trying to say lol. Again, I’m glad I could engage with you so someone else doesn’t have to and possibly thinking you might actually be a real person to have a conversation with. The only reason I’ve gone this far is so people can actually see the links and how you respond. Blocking doesn’t help if it just means someone else has to put up with you instead.

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                And I stand by my every argument against cutting these clowns slack because they have finally decided that now is the time to stand up against Trump.

                They should lie in the bed they fucking made right alongside the rest of us. They don’t get to just blend in with everyone that actually tried to stop this. They need to own it and apologize. And they need to be reminded EVERY FUCKING TIME THIS ADMINISTRATION DOES SHIT LIKE THIS THAT IT IS PARTIALLY THEIR FAULT.

                Because if we EVER have another election and we EVER find ourselves here again, they need to know what damage that comes from smug entitlement.

                And lastly- I don’t really give a shit that you are upset by this anymore than I’d expect you to give a shit that I’m pissed off about a bunch of childish entitled kids that haven’t a clue about how anything works enough to get off their asses and vote.

                Don’t like it? Block me.

                But all you’re doing is complaining about complaining. So…. Maybe have a seat in this boat of mine.

                EDIT: oh shit, I forgot-

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                  lol you must really not talk to anyone outside of the internet if you think anything you said sounds remotely sane or like you aren’t an entitled child trying to sound smug.

                  They need to be removed

                  whatcha mean by that bud? I think you’re getting confused with all your edits.

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      remember during george w bush when people were upset that they were training the national guard to arrest us citizens? they had actors yelling stuff like “im a us citizen! you can’t arrest me! this violates the constitution!” and stuff like that?
      ….
      that sure was scary….
      i think it comes down to grief and denial… people are very unable to cope with the idea that this could ever be real.
      “oh congress will stop him though, oh the supreme court wouldn’t let that happen… no way the military would go through with that… americans all have guns, they’d never do that”.

      also noteworthy that roger stone was caught talking about how they need a plan to take guns from all the leftists… by calling them enemies of the state….

      it’s sad but ignorant americans are victims too… id say victims of brainwashing as well.
      people who denied it don’t need a “ha i told you so!”, they need a, “what what did you say you’d do if it ever DID happen… because we’re here now in spite of our best hopes and doubts”.

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        The NG can be used as law enforcement by the Governors though. That’s a legitimate training for them to get …

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          well, i ought to dig up a source… but can’t stomach dig through news videos from w.
          but the things the people were being trained to say was disturbing….
          this was right around when people were saying the abundance of new FEMA camps was nefarious (i don’t know how many they really made).
          and homeland security created a national shortage of bullets for years, and some people found that to be ominous….
          actually, homeland security being used to enforce unlawful orders by doge is kinda ominous to me, considering the bullet thing…
          but yes, there’s a likelihood of NG being legitimately used to break up a violent protest or something…
          in the unfindable video clip i saw, sounded more like rounding random people up, training… but people are bound to yell mind fuck shit at NG no matter what reason they’re getting detained for…

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      I would go absolutely feral. Ripping their throats out with my teeth and snapping any small bone I can grab.

      This goes for anyone being kidnapped in my general vicinity as well. If I see that shit, it turns out that that is a good day to die. I will do it with glee.

      Watch me laugh with their blood running down my face.

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      This is the correct approch. I can’t stress this enough, when it costs ICE their lives, and the headlines are “12 citizen killed by ICE” then people will stop sitting on their hands like this is nothing. Don’t let them put you in a ghetto, don’t let them put you in a labor camp or a death camp, CALL THEIR HAND EVERY TIME, If you let them take you, you’re dead anyway.

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        The first people that die in a war are typically women and children. Usually because the competing militaries don’t issue them guns.

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        And organize, they can and do pick out people who are alone, as they are cowards. If there are 10 of you walking, armed, they are less likely to fuck around

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      Yup.

      I am anti-gun and always have been and still believe a nation with more guns is going to have more death and generally be less safe.

      But it is absolutely time to arm yourself.

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      i agree with you but if you’re willing to die at that point, why wouldn’t you just take action now to stop that scenario from happening? if we wait till the wolf is at our door, we’ve given the wolf the advantage of initiative. you don’t win wars by waiting for the enemy to strike first.

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        The CIA has a wonderful piece of training that’s publicly available online called ‘‘simple sabotage’’ I’d highly recommend reading it. Also Revolutionary Suicide by Huey P. Newton. Totally unrelated, a lot of campers really like to use a home made fire starter that’s waterproof, there’s a lot of good recipes usually petrol products and shipping materials, very simple. also I’m in a Drone building club at school, it’s not related to this, but it’s a lot of fun.

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      Cops dragged my buddy out of his car and shot him for having his legally owned pistol. How in the fuck are we supposed to resist ICE with guns?

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        Your friend was obeying the law, and trying to obey the law. When you aren’t trying to comply and you are fighting for you life, it’s a very different set of actions. No one’s waiting to get dragged out.

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        Right wing ideologies are based on fear, they’re all cowards deep down.

        If enough of them die kicking in doors they’ll stop.

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        They have proven that if you comply at best, you will be denied rights, beaten, in a labor or death camp, and likely dead.

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        Getting a gun is as easy as going to fucking Walmart and having them order you something from the warehouse you have to pickup a week later.

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        There isn’t a single state in which the barrier to owning a gun is more difficult than a background check and a waiting period. I’d recommend a glock 9 for reliably and performance. Good luck, and good hunting.

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        “much harder to buy a gun.”

        Buddy I won one at a fucking raffle no questions asked.

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        If you find it hard to purchase a gun in the US then I have to marvel at the fact that you manage to successfully navigate a belt buckle. My state doesn’t even require concealed carry permits anymore. I can just go grab a gun, ammo, and walk around strapped with it hidden under my shirt.

        It’s wild west out here dude where have you been?

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          California?

          I think you have to wait for the sun to set and rise like half a dozen times before you can pew pew

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            Yes, a BG and a waiting period. That’s all. Also you’re always 2-4 hours from NV where you don’t have to wait and if you buy 3rd party in NV, your in Ghost Town, baby!

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        Pretty easy to get a gun unless you’re a felon.

        Stop spreading misinformation.

        We only need the guns because dumbfuck conservatives ushered in American fascism.

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          3rd pary sales don’t require any information exchange. Meet some one in Cabella’s looking at a new hunting rifle they want? Maybe they’ll sell you a gun at their place for the price of a new rifle. It’s the wild west man. If they cared there wouldn’t be a loop hole you can drive a dump trunk dragging 100 rusty bikes through.

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    Time to buy a gun. The left needs to arm themselves fuckin’ yesterday.

    Don’t think that they won’t come for you. The law is powerless to protect you from having your rights trampled on under this administration. All it takes is for King Trump to declare you a gang member and they have carte blanche authority to disappear you off the street.

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      Was yesterday too late? I feel like one person having a gun hasn’t been able to do anything meaningful with it for a long time. Except maybe defend themselves from a dumb home invader.

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        The point is there are only so many ICE goons out there. If every person they tried to disappear took one of the bastards with them, this would end pretty damn quick.

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          They’re dressed in plain clothes. It wouldn’t be hard to get another civilian to join in defending yourself. Especially when the target is a white woman.

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            Maybe. Maybe not. The bystander effect is real. And they have something to lose. If I’m being disappeared off to a death camp somewhere, I literally have nothing to lose.

            I’m really torn on this. As a trans person, I’m a member of one of the groups most targeted by the regime. I’ve wanted nothing to do with firearms in the past, because frankly, I’ve dealt with a lot of depression at times in my life. Never enough to have any attempts, but enough to really give me pause about owning a weapon. The only weapons I want to own are fantasy props I make in my wood shop. I’m the exact opposite of a violent person. I am an educator; my greatest joy in life is when I can see my lessons spark the light of knowledge in others. Truthfully, I want nothing to do with firearms.

            But this environment really makes me wonder. I would honestly rather die than be shipped off to be raped to death in some hellhole in El Salvadore. I would not survive long in a place like that.

            I am very conflicted on this. Fuck this world. These are the kinds of choices no one should ever have to make. The world has gone mad.

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              I feel every part of this. I just wanted to be an artist and make video games for people to enjoy. Now I’m screaming in terror watching every facade of normalcy be torn apart like paper mache. My two cents is that we need to get armed and fast. We’re beyond the point of “wanting” or “not wanting”. I’ve been spending the last several months desensitizing myself to violence and coming to terms with the idea that I do not have a future. I was not a violent person but I know I need to be.

              This is not a world of reason, stability, rationale, future. This is a world that is run by the enemy. This is the time we need to assume the worst because the cost of under-estimating is too high.

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    I wonder what kind of payoff Bukele is getting from Trump to keep someone that Bukele admits was wrongly sent to El Salvador but he refuses to return him.

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      Unfortunately, the dudes probably dead already. Happened to that American student years ago in South Korea too. He was on a trip and got sentenced to a slave camp for “defacing a poster” if I recall, and as the family was fighting for his release, oops he’s in a body bag now. At least they sent his body back for the family.

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    if things get any shittier, this administration is going to have to stop people at the border in the opposite direction

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      Already looked at emigration. I’m sure doctors and scientists and researchers are leaving in droves, but for the average person it’s quite difficult until there is some amnesty policy.

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      I wonder how shitty this administration will have to get before enough people get motivated to take some significant action to stop it?

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        The sooner Blue States leave the Conservative Centipede, the better. I don’t view conservatives to be fellow Americans anymore.

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          Same.

          If you vote for a felon rapist traitor who sent a mob to stop the peaceful transfer of power, illegally attempted to overturn an election, already had a failed presidency, and is now enacting a fascist agenda that’s deporting American citizens to foreign prisons, I do not consider you an American anymore. You are an enemy of everything it is to be American. Primarily and functionally, the Constitution.

          Too many lines have been crossed. It’s time to start calling conservative voters what they are. Enemies. Because this far into this, there are no more excuses. Ignorance is not an excuse anymore.

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            As someone who’s been around long enough I can tell you it absolutely won’t be for conservatives. They never learn. Ever.

            The most you can possibly get out of them is some light verbal disapproval of someone on their team, typically if it involves their wallets taking a hit. But when the time comes, they will ALWAYS vote to keep their team in power, no matter how vile and/or criminal they are.

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            We already had 4 years of Trump. It sucked that time and it wasn’t enough to convince nearly half of Americans

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    First this would never happen because of our laws second he did say that the people he would want to send to these kind of jails wouldbe top of the line criminals And it would cost substantially less to have these criminals in a jail there. Now I’m not saying it’s OK I think if you’re an American that committed a crime in America you should be in an American jail

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      Dude. He’s already breaking the laws by sending people directly to CECOT. He’s ignoring court orders and the need to get an order of removal for people. They’re arresting people just for speaking Spanish without having a passport on them, like that Puerto Rican family.

      If they’re ignoring all the rules for people who can’t pony up citizenship paperwork in time then there’s nothing stopping them from quickly deporting a natural born citizen. Hell, anyone on the street without documents on their person is a valid target under the observed tactics.

      They are not being honest with you.

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      Due process is the way to prove you’re a US citizen and/or not a criminal. Without it, anyone can be arrested and sent to another country to be killed.

      If you don’t stand up for the people around you, who is going to be left to help when they come for you?

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        These people are illegal immigrants you act like they’re deporting American citizens. And I will state what I said earlier I don’t agree with them sending American citizens to foreign jails if you committed crime in America andyou’re American you should serve your sentence in America

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          Due process is the way to prove you’re a US citizen and/or not a criminal. Without it, anyone can be arrested and sent to another country to be killed.

          They are deporting people without due process.

          US citizens have already been deported. US citizens have already been sent to El Salvador prisons with no criminal charges. Due process is not being done.

          They could take you next and there is no legal way you could stop them.

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          The thing is, there’s absolutely nothing you can say to justify any of this.

          Due process is a right.

          Even convicted criminals in prison have rights.

          Convicted criminals in prison have certain rights, including protection from cruel and unusual punishment under the Eighth Amendment, due process rights, and protection from discrimination based on race, sex, or disability. While they do not enjoy all constitutional rights, they are entitled to humane treatment and access to legal processes within the prison system.

          This El Salvador concentration camp has none of that. People go there to die.

          Again there’s absolutely nothing, not a god damn word you can say to justify this. Think it through.

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            What do you have to say about Laken Riley? Maybe she would still be alive if the people that were in power at the time didn’t have the mindset that you have. That alone is enough to justify it, President Bukele Said yesterday that when they were interviewing one of the Venezuelan immigrants they asked them a couple questions to vet them and Terrorist illegal immigrant gang member said the last time he got arrested in America was for shooting a cop in the leg, that was his sixth arrest. What do you have to say to justify that? What if that cop had died? Or what about when the Venezuelan gang was terrorizing communities in Colorado making them pay Extortion money. What justifies that? Why should these people be treated the same and have the same rights that you and I have?

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      They are being paid to send people to a death camp, no one is intended to be released from the prison in El Salvador by their own admission. ICE has already sent people there who committed no crime.

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        if Venezuela would take their own illegal immigrants these people would not be sitting in a jail in El Salvador. Second this jail has made the lives of many El Salvadorans safer. There is a reason why their president was voted in with I want to say 85% of the vote, Now I don’t agree that Americans should ever go to one of these jails if you’re an American that commits a crime in America you should serve your sentence here. But to call these places death camps it seems like you have sympathy for the rapist and murderers that do belong in this place. When this place was first built and they showed the criminals that they were putting in these jails the people of El Salvador were very happy mind you obviously they never expected to have Venezuelan immigrants in there. But what the jail originally stands for and why It was originally built was for a good purpose. I’m not seeing you directly but I’ve seen some people that were trying to compare CECOT to The holocaust which is absolutely insane because the people in this jail are violent people and the people that died in the holocaust were Innocent. And the thing is the last will never win another election again if they keep up with that type of mentality and bullshit mindset

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          Your defending authoritarian abuse violating our own laws and many international agreements of what basic human rights are. Your ENTIRE opinion is a cold wet shit no one wants. I hope you recive the treatment you claim is ‘‘good reason’’ in every capacity. I’ll gladly live through what I think is fair and lawful, because I know what I support ISN’T A FUCKING CRIME AGAINST BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS!

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            My opinion is my opinion and I can believe in what I wanna believe that’s the whole beautiful part about living in a country like America that I have the right to say what I believe in. The whole point of these websites are to be able to have a conversation for you to be able to tell me how you feel and why I should feel that way, It’s not for me to come and shit on what you believe or what you think we can agree to disagree that is the whole point of these websites not to call people Nazis in bootlickers just because you don’t agree with them. I’m sorry I have to say this because I hate to stoop to your level but it shows how low your IQ is.

            Also the fact that you think you could call me a Nazi when I literally got Banned from Reddit for saying that a Nazi should be punched in the face is just hilarious to me

            And how many days have you spent in El Salvador how many times have you visited the country? Because my family is from there and I hold dual citizenship And travel there a lot and trust me the country did a complete 180 Because of the president. But let me guess you would be happier if the gang members were still out in the streets terrorizing innocent people right?

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              You are entitled to your wrong opinion, but you need to get used to being called a bootlicker or worse.

              I hope you realize this.

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                and you need to get used to being called a Lefty lunatic, That would rather support illegal immigrants than your own people in your own country. You don’t think about the people that lost their lives in the hands of these criminals the families that have lost loved ones like Laken Riley, As I said with things like this they are going to be casualties. It’s crazy because when the left loses a conversation and they have nothing else to say they Resort to name-calling Literally the left is full of the biggest cowards I have ever came across in my life. And let me just add in I’m not even conservative nor republican

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                  You do not have a leg to stand on.

                  Your are just vomiting propaganda. You ought to consider your health more son, cause they amount of bootlicking you’re doing, your going to come down with a case of cherry blossom poisoning.

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    They refuse to bring Garcia back because hes dead. CECOT is an extermination camp. Complete with giant pool of blood. It’s a prison that never fills up.

    We are no longer in some hypothetical what if state in regards to fascism. The President is sending people to death camps and as conservative as this SCOTUS is it ruled 9 to 0 ordering Trump to return Garcia. They refused to do so.

    Buy a gun.

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      they dont want him back, because it satiates the rabid racists/and evangelicals, its perfomative politics.

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        If he came back he’s gonna hurt Chump real bad with appearances on every news network (but Fox) and talk show detailing.his experience.

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    My Great Grandmother shot and killed an officer that was taking her family away to a concentration camp. Is that where we’re heading?

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        I’m a firm believer that if we only accepted art based on the morality of the artist, the whole world would be a bleak shade of grey.

        Gotta separate the two. You can say “X was an incredible artist and I appreciate their work, but holy shit were they a terrible human.”

        We can acknowledge the spectrum of the human and let the good parts into the world and still shun the bad.

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          I think that’s an easier argument to make with someone who is dead, like H.P. Lovecraft. It’s a different story when the artist is still alive and actively profiting off the work you are consuming.

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    They won’t stop unless someone makes them stop. That’s how movements like this work, every single time. They never wind down on their own. They have to constantly keep increasing the cruelty and extremism, or else their base will see weakness and abandon them. However bad you think it is now, it’s only going to get worse, unless someone puts an end to it. Historically, there are only a few ways a fascist movement has ever been stopped, and none of them are pretty.

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      The cleanest way this can possibly end now is with the cult leader being removed…one way or another. Assuming the cult collapses afterward and doesn’t just attach itself to some other scumfuck that immediately steps up to fill the void.

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        Vance and Musk need to be taken out as well. I don’t think MAGA would last long without a leader, but as stupid as WE think Vance/Musk are, remember we also see Trump as a lying con-man, and MAGA supporters rally around him.

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        The optimistic side of me believes this can happen. MAGA has tied themselves and their movement very tightly to Trump. Not to conservatism in general, not to any kind of policy in specific, but to the unique personality of Trump. They tried with DeSantis, and he flamed out hard. They’re trying with Vance, but he’s such an awkward goof that it’ll never work.

        I don’t think the MAGA virus can survive in another host, and I think that’s why they are trying to rush into full on Fascism while Trump is still around. Once he’s gone, the Republican party is going to eat itself in the power vacuum.

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      when you put it like that

      I guess its a good thing the police havent been militarizing, and filling their roster full of violent trigger happy assholes who radicalized themselves into thinking they’re the thin blue line between civilization and savagery,

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        There should never and will never be a point at which the police and military actually have control over the American population. Our population is one of the most violent on earth. We birthed those psychotic police officers. We made them. There’s no reason for them to scare us more than anyone else does.

        They only pretend to have control. Anyone with half an iota of brainpower and understanding of numbers and revolt knows there’s only one thing to fear in this country and it’s the general population.

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      Generally, things chug along getting worse and worse, until suddenly we reach a tipping point. Then something happens, often small and innocuous, and it tips. Then there’s no stopping it.

      The Berlin Wall came down when a single guard decided on his own that he wasn’t going to stop the growing crowd that appeared after an East German government official accidentally declared at a press conference that they would finally allow emigration, following increasingly large protests. When the world woke up that morning, NOBODY knew this would happen that day. Not a single intelligence agency anywhere on the planet predicted it. It totally surprised the entire world.

      Its likely that protests and outrage in America will grow, even among disgruntled MAGAs, and one day, its just going explode, probably over something fairly small. The fuse has already been lit.

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      Hopefully someone will choose one of those methods sooner than later.

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      Yea, I have always thought about the future scenario. When they get tired of picking on the immigrant, they’ll turn to citizens. Really crazy and scary thought to even have to consider.