Koarnine

The dems won’t learn, I didn’t say they will.

I am not saying that not voting for the dems is ‘fine’.

I’m talking about spending your energy appropriately.

I’m saying you can hate the ones who didn’t vote if you want, but it’s a waste of your energy. Voter apathy and disenfranchisement is the fault of the party, not the individual, is what I mean by the entitlement to the vote.

If there are the perpetrators (djt voters and the literal ghouls), the victim are necessarily the remaining group. Just because there were those disenfranchised, doesn’t mean those are the perpetrators, no they are also victims. Just like those who voted against it.

Usually, the party in power loses the election, rather than the opposition ‘winning’ per se on merit out right. They lose it by losing their support through their own actions, or public perception of their actions (which they should be trying to influence). So how did the dems lose 2024? Unless it was stolen which is, quite possible.

You know, like I know, the Dems won’t necessarily learn the right lessons from non voters. I’m not arguing the merit of not voting.

The Dems will only change when they rally around something they see as winning them support. But the only recent example of this, Zohran Mamdani who has huge public support, is being fought with more gusto by the majority of Democrats than they have ever fought DJT.

If the Dems had some policies that they held and didn’t compromise on, and didn’t show such obvious contempt for their constituents during the election season, maybe they would have done better. Not to mention not listening to the consultants who seemingly intentionally tanked their campaign.

Anyway, not here to argue, I don’t disagree with you, I read the other thread here after I left my comment and I agree with you on a lot. I just think if you should hold contempt and hate in your heart for anyone, it should be the perpetrators.

Because if you don’t hold them in contempt, but instead hold other victims in contempt (even if they didn’t vote or voted something silly), then you are essentially reinforcing the bad behaviour even further.

People aren’t motivated by ‘vote for us, we wont do anything tangible, but the other side is super bad’, as much as I would have hoped. They are far more motivated by ‘vote for us, we will do something tangible’ even if the one saying that is lying blatantly, as long as the vibe is confidence.

Well yes there would because communication is necessary and important. They may want to communicate this distinction outwardly in a way that can’t be ignored, in order to fight perceptions.

I do think your argument holds some water, that it can reinforce sexism to think rigidly in that way. But I think the leap from that to the conclusion misses the key context of the society and culture in which we exist.

And moreso the signals members of it use in order to find others like them, signal support, or signal opposition.

I agree people should have voted kamala to prevent what’s happening now…

But for progression now, nothing about shaming the voters disenfranchised by the Democrats is worthwhile.

The Democrats were never entitled to any votes, they shouldn’t have been so conceited as to tank their own popularity with conceit in the interest of capital.

The ones who voted for trump are to blame in the immediate for sure, what’s happening right now in the US is tragic. But to be so myopic as to pretend that’s all that matters is foolish.

You say that as if half of the people in their home country don’t want to do the same shit?

This isn’t a tenant of ‘the left’ but rather of liberalism.

Deference to law, police and morals that adhere to the legality of action are liberal brain rot, only the left in so far as the right is fascism.

Being on the left often carries pacifist sentiment but deference to legality and unwillingness to act is a liberal tendency.

I didn’t say it was the most effective, I said give other means if you don’t think it is.

Over 11 million people, huggy wuggy nooo!

Not an attack on you it just bothers me to see this constantly misrepresented everywhere, 6 million is if you only count Jewish people, 11 million counts all victims of the camps including my great aunt and uncle.

So is not fighting back in the most effective means possible. They already intend to kill you, they’re just waiting for their oppurtunity.

Propose alternative means of dissuasion if you want to be dismissive of given ones, the given ones seem effective enough…

I love that yours is entirely real but it feels just as fake as the entirely fake one you are replying too 🤣

As someone that abused Ketamine for years, it is so easy to be so caught up with delusions (especially those of grandeur, or that are fed into by your environment) especially if abusing in tandem with other drugs that reinforce such delusions like Cocaine.

But those delusions still don’t just manifest out of nothing, the stew that is Elon’s brain has been continually cooking under these circumstances, but mine was under similar and I am no Nazi.

I think it is likely the money, subsequent power and unwillingness to take on board criticism that leads him to be surrounded by sycophants that reinforce his growing mental illness.

Having our false perceptions of reality be reinforced will cause loss of touch with reality over long enough time frames, especially when our actions are devoid of material consequences, and certain stimuli just expedite the process.

Though that isn’t to say there isn’t a huge correlation between brain damage and conservative belief, and that excessive use of drugs such as Alcohol, Cocaine and Cocoethanol, Nitrous Oxide, Alcohol, PCP, Meth and Ketamine causes significant brain damage.

Guess just yapping but I see ketamine abuse in this case as something that would have made him hugely more susceptible for sure despite maybe not being the sole cause, as over a similar abuse time frame I also struggled with distortions of reality and occasionally mania - especially if stressed and combining with cocaine.

Given that he thinks HIV/AIDs is the result of Amyl Nitrate abuse already, he just has to say it official.

I just looked through all of that and there’s nothing as you describe from her campaign itself. Even outside of her campaign there is only lip service and commemoration for the victims of the pulse terror attack.

Unless you count saying trans people should receive medically necessary treatment as supportive? It’s a literal non-statement, words that mean very little, her support here is aesthetic at best.

Because no Gen Z sees 50$k towards a house and is impressed. That offer alone shows such a ridiculous disconnect between the dems and the populace. Yes that would be beneficial for a very select minority of Gen Z, but for the vast majority.

Not close to helpful, radical or on level to Trump’s promises (lies).

They want sweeping change, they expect politicians to lie and embellish. If the politician offers something so minor when they are expected to embellish then the avg voter probably expects even less or nothing at all.

At least significant promises can get people excited. Even if they are obvious lies to those paying attention. Sad reality is vast majority of people of any generation pay almost no attention whatsoever.

I think people seeing her message might have helped. But the difference maker would have been a message people actually want to get behind. That would have spread organically.

Now whether the DNC was cooked either way following the publics perception of Bidens term is another thing. But a strong message will always prevail - even if it is a lie.

Nonsense, Kamala had 0 left leaning policy and also never mentioned trans people in her entire campaign. She tacked to the centre further than Biden on every single issue, not disputing your other anecdotes but you are seriously misled if you think the Democrats are anything except centre-right.

Republicans who want to round up minorities, prevent women from having the ability to abort fetuses that result from rape, and prevent any and all lgbtq people from existing in public.

Calling them the lesser of two evils shows you have no fucking clue.

That or you are lying like most right wingers and centrists.

‘Oh I have to be a nazi now because you called me one 😭’

Still exist in UK as of last year, short wooden pencils stacked in a plastic cube, free for as many as you can take before security gets angy