Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts – and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change.
The cries for violence here are quite disgusting. I understand our American friends are frustrated, but violence is only going to get you killed. The police in the US have been receiving military gear for decades now. If you want violence, you will get it.
Then there are some major misconceptions about the 3.5% rule. That is for persistent non-violent protests. Week in, week out, for months at a time, before this yields results. Violent protests drive away many of the people you need on board to achieve genuine change and make it exponentially harder to get to your 3.5%. Try getting a grandma or a family with kids to join when molotov cocktails are being thrown around.
So for everyone here calling for violence, you are idiots and you won’t achieve a damn thing.
There’s two basic options for change here. Defiance, and violence.
The defiance would have to be so ongoing it could not be ignored by drumpf and his cronies.
And the violence will have to be so well planned and extreme (eg: wholescale assassinations) it would make the nazi republican politicians actually fear for their lives as they don’t give a shit about anything else.
That’s the only two real options for change. Long and ongoing defiance, or quick short controlled violence.
However this is all moot as I am convinced neither will happen.
The us people haven’t the will to do the ‘necessary’ violence, and will only do a protest here and there until they’ve accepted this is their new normal and go back to their existence.
Also I’d say that peaceful and violent aren’t binary. Like, there’s standing somewhere holding signs without being distruptive, then there’s civil disobedience like blocking traffic without being actually violent, then there’s protests where protestors will use violence to defend themselves if they have to without actively seeking to engage in violent acts, and then there’s straight up rioting, where people go out their way to attack people, or smash windows or burn cars and shit.
And, of course, it varies from person to person. If there’s protest X happening, one person could think of is as violent (or call it violent as a way of propaganda) while one person wouldn’t.
I really want to be happy about the turnout for No Kings. I wanted to be, but I actually followed the coverage of several sites of protests. Most of them were over in less than 2 hours from what I saw. It was like a weekend lunch break for most people, and they even brough their infant children with them because they couldn’t be arsed with a babysitter.
If anyone believes it won’t be back to business as usual in the Fourth Reich on monday they are delusional. You need to care a hell of a lot more than that to stop a fascist regime, and the horrible sad truth is that most Americans just don’t. They’ve been bred to be far too individualist to give more than the just bare minimum. The moment it becomes an inconvenience for them they’re over it.
This was a PR stunt at best. A corporate email stating “We’re working hard to dismantle the regime. We have our best people on it. Pizza party next Friday.”
And the violence will have to be so well planned and extreme (eg: wholescale assassinations) it would make the nazi republican politicians actually fear for their lives as they don’t give a shit about anything else.
I’m curious as to what you think comes after this? We just go back to a representative democracy with 30% of the population still in a cult of personality surrounding the guy you just took out? Everyone behaves and we live happily ever after?
you’re the bigger idiot if you think non-violence works against fascists, and you’ll achieve even less (unless you count the deaths of innocents that are on your hands, coward)
One thing I love about the protests is seeing the little children and grandmothers marching side by side with my extraordinarily angry ass. Yeah I have to moderate my language a little, but I feel much less alone seeing a multi-generational sea of people standing with me.
The cries for violence here are quite disgusting. I understand our American friends are frustrated, but violence is only going to get you killed. The police in the US have been receiving military gear for decades now. If you want violence, you will get it.
Then there are some major misconceptions about the 3.5% rule. That is for persistent non-violent protests. Week in, week out, for months at a time, before this yields results. Violent protests drive away many of the people you need on board to achieve genuine change and make it exponentially harder to get to your 3.5%. Try getting a grandma or a family with kids to join when molotov cocktails are being thrown around.
So for everyone here calling for violence, you are idiots and you won’t achieve a damn thing.
There’s two basic options for change here. Defiance, and violence.
The defiance would have to be so ongoing it could not be ignored by drumpf and his cronies.
And the violence will have to be so well planned and extreme (eg: wholescale assassinations) it would make the nazi republican politicians actually fear for their lives as they don’t give a shit about anything else.
That’s the only two real options for change. Long and ongoing defiance, or quick short controlled violence.
However this is all moot as I am convinced neither will happen.
The us people haven’t the will to do the ‘necessary’ violence, and will only do a protest here and there until they’ve accepted this is their new normal and go back to their existence.
Also I’d say that peaceful and violent aren’t binary. Like, there’s standing somewhere holding signs without being distruptive, then there’s civil disobedience like blocking traffic without being actually violent, then there’s protests where protestors will use violence to defend themselves if they have to without actively seeking to engage in violent acts, and then there’s straight up rioting, where people go out their way to attack people, or smash windows or burn cars and shit.
And, of course, it varies from person to person. If there’s protest X happening, one person could think of is as violent (or call it violent as a way of propaganda) while one person wouldn’t.
Insanely well put and underrated comment.
I really want to be happy about the turnout for No Kings. I wanted to be, but I actually followed the coverage of several sites of protests. Most of them were over in less than 2 hours from what I saw. It was like a weekend lunch break for most people, and they even brough their infant children with them because they couldn’t be arsed with a babysitter.
If anyone believes it won’t be back to business as usual in the Fourth Reich on monday they are delusional. You need to care a hell of a lot more than that to stop a fascist regime, and the horrible sad truth is that most Americans just don’t. They’ve been bred to be far too individualist to give more than the just bare minimum. The moment it becomes an inconvenience for them they’re over it.
This was a PR stunt at best. A corporate email stating “We’re working hard to dismantle the regime. We have our best people on it. Pizza party next Friday.”
Meanwhile, you didn’t leave your basement… Big tough guy.
Go fuck yourself
I’m curious as to what you think comes after this? We just go back to a representative democracy with 30% of the population still in a cult of personality surrounding the guy you just took out? Everyone behaves and we live happily ever after?
Fucking delusional.
If you ask nicely I’ll tell you.
No you won’t.
you’re the bigger idiot if you think non-violence works against fascists, and you’ll achieve even less (unless you count the deaths of innocents that are on your hands, coward)
One thing I love about the protests is seeing the little children and grandmothers marching side by side with my extraordinarily angry ass. Yeah I have to moderate my language a little, but I feel much less alone seeing a multi-generational sea of people standing with me.
Just existing is getting a lot of us killed. It ain’t even just the poor anymore, we’ve got real assassinations happening.
I dont support it but I understand it. All the achievements of the baddies at the moment is being carried out aggressively if not violently.
Its hard to see that and just march.
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