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Left Party MP Cansin Köktürk was thrown out of a German parliament plenary chamber on Wednesday for wearing a t-shirt with the word “Palestine” printed on it, a move deemed a political statement by the parliamentary leadership.
Bundestag President Julia Klöckner intervened during the session, reminding MPs that political messages on clothing are not permitted in the chamber.
While the Bundestag does not have a detailed dress code, its rules require MPs and visitors to dress “in keeping with the prestige” of the institution. Enforcement of this standard is left to the discretion of the session chair.
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Should have had a second person wearing an Israel shirt, and see who gets kicked out.
Can’t have political statements in the place where we do politics.
While the Bundestag does not have a detailed dress code, its rules require MPs and visitors to dress “in keeping with the prestige” of the institution.
So, there is no actual rule that she actually broke, unless we interpret the word “Palestine” to be not in keeping with the prestige of the Budestag. Are other country names or geographical regions also not in keeping with the prestige of the Bundestag? Like, when I visit can I not wear a shirt that says “Greece” on it? Or that says “Quebec” or “Antarctica”? Or is this is a special rule for country names that butthurt Germany’s “staatsraison”?
if you, a tourist, would wear written clothing, nothing happens. It is for members of parliament that they can be expelled. Although we often times see politians dressed in light blue and yellow, to show solidarity with Ukraine. So why not for Palestine? That would be aNtisEmiTiSm
No political statements with clothing is established precedent and wearing a Palestine shirt today is a political statement. Greece? Currently, not really, no, don’t see it. During the Greek debt crisis? Yes it would’ve been.
She’s free to make a pro-Palestine speech, that’s how political statements are supposed to be done in parliament. Occasionally there’s stunts like these, and they always have the same outcome: A small amount of extra spotlight, then everyone forgets about it.
Ok… What if her shirt said “Israel?”
Also political.
Yes, but will you be removed for wearing that shirt?
If it’s established precedent like OP said, then yes. Germany is still a strong liberal democracy with rules that mean something.
You know for a fact they would feel more awkward about that one, though. They’re still very sorry.
Yes.
Probably not, because six million Jews that died at the hands of the nazis but did not have anything to do with nazi Israel are somehow related regardless so they are eternally guilt tripped into enabling anything Zionism related.
If she wore a Ukraine shirt (which would be based) or even an Israel shirt (which would not be based), it would have been handled differently. Hell apparently there is a history of members wearing soccer team shirts with no problems.
“The problem isn’t the protests, it’s what they’re protesting.” Macklemore
Why would you make that assumption? Its completely baseless and most likely untrue.
I wouldn’t say baseless. It sounds like it might be untrue, though, and that this is an old rule.
My assumption is based on two years of German authorities and institutions cracking down on pro-Palestinian voices. Somehow, each time there is some specific rule or sub-rule that is being invoked, but somehow it always ends up being a silencing of pro-Palestinian protest, activism, speech.
Why I would assume the worst of German institutions when it comes to pro-Palestinian stances? Here is the fuck why:
- https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2025/country-chapters/germany
- https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/germany-palestine-protest/
- https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/crackdown-on-pro-palestinian-voices-in-germany-a-disturbing-pattern
- https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4362806-germanys-unprecedented-crackdown-on-pro-palestinian-speech/
- https://globalvoices.org/2024/04/18/inside-germanys-orwellian-crackdown-on-palestine-congress/
- https://zeteo.com/p/germany-crackdown-pro-palestine-speech-sign-holocaust-gaza
- https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/11/8/why-is-germany-supporting-israels-genocide-in-gaza
- https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/germany-palestine-activists-deportation-state-repression
- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/18/hannah-arendt-prize-masha-gessen-israel-gaza-essay
- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/03/germany-deporting-pro-palestine-eu-citizens-chilling-new-step
- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/25/free-speech-is-a-facade-how-gaza-war-has-deepened-divisions-in-german-arts-world
- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/11/denouncing-critics-of-israel-as-un-jews-or-antisemites-is-a-perversion-of-history
- https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-nicaragua-germany-genocide-court-91a605921b44110ae5534e6438405997
- https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/03/11/bpig-m11.html
I have simply lost faith in German institutions on this matter.
To return to you the question: why would I NOT assume that German institutions would find some way to ratfuck with pro-Palestinian voices? On what exactly can I build a set of good faith assumptions on German benevolence on the matter? Because I see fucking nothing.
why would I NOT assume that German institutions would find some way to ratfuck with pro-Palestinian voices?
I disagree with that generality, but I grant you the point, it’s a valid assumption to make.
However:
Nothing about what you said supports the assumption that people with Ukraine T-shirts wouldn’t get booted. They would be.
Overall this is a not exactly uncommon thing in the Bundestag: Break the rules to get thrown out to put the spotlight on something. In fact, without the “getting thrown out” part it wouldn’t make sense to wear clothing with political meaning in the first place, as everyone would be doing it, and everyone would ignore it.
If Die Linke had any sense of political theatrics, if they had just a bit of Melenchon in their blood, they would all show up with TShirts of random countries, see what the fuck happens.
see what the fuck happens
Spoiler: They would get kicked out all the same.
I highly doubt that. Is there a prior precedent for this? What if you wore a flag pin?
Flag pins have historically been accepted and I doubt it would’ve been an issue in this case. The rule is basically just there so you’re not openly promoting anything, be it a political message, brand or any other type of statement.
You said a Ukraine shirt would not have been treated the same. Thats what I was asking about. Nothing you wrote supports that point
When it happens, youre welcome to get upset and you should be. But until then Im glad they are at least enforcing the rules that are in place like they are intended and dont start making up their own arbitrary rules giving no fucks about democracy like in fascist US.
Just to say it, but both the far right AFD and tankie BSW got into trouble for holding up signs in the Bundestag. Allowing t-shirts with prints would be such an obvious loophole around that.
No prints allowed? Like, at all? Else, next time they should wear one with just a watermelon.
Or… Even better, just go in and have a watermelon slice with you, in a tupper. Open it and have it there on the table :)
"Doch es sind nicht immer Linke, Grüne und Sozialdemokraten, die die Kleiderordnung offen interpretieren. Die heutige Staatsministerin für Raumfahrt Dorothee Bär (CSU) trug 2015 unter ihrem Blazer ein Trikot des FC Bayern München, samt Logo der Telekom. Hier kam der Protest von links.
Die Beispiele zeigen: Die Würde des Hauses unterliegt auch dem Zeitgeist. Und der scheint – zumindest unter der Bundestagspräsidentin Klöckner – wieder konservativer zu werden. "
PoLiTiCaL sTaTeMeNt
I thought about spelling this onomatopoeically as it would sound with Bibi’s dick in their mouth but I’m lazy
God forbid politicians make political statements.
Not with their clothes, though. The political debate in the Bundestag is conducted through words and to be fair, that seems like a reasonable idea.
AfD members of parliament are routinely wearing German flag pins, which carries a pretty obvious message coming from a far right party.
Trouble with that is that it is a German party doing German politics in Germany. There are German flags all over the Reichstag. Yes, everyone knows they do it because they are Nazis. But if push came to shove I think a court would rule in their favour that they are in line with the dresscode.
Now, if they were wearing a black t-shirt with just a German flag on it I think the consequences would be the same as in this case here. But they usually know how far they can push the rules.
They are experienced sea lions.
LOL. it needs it twice, so again LOL! this comment is amazing! xD
How dare Germans wear a German Flag pin.
Otoh: We normal germans are wirded out how much sexual tension some Americans have with a striped piece auf cloth.
It’s cultural differences, there is simply not culture of flag worshipping in Germany, exept from the far right. For every one else the flag is just to Mark goverment buildings, or anonce an offical delegation. Soccer/sport events are the only exeption, but even then it’s not the flag that is worshipped, but the flag is again just used to mark yourself as a worshipper of the team.
In Germany (because of ours history) only fascists (and clueless normies during sport events) think the German flag is something you’d consider associating yourself with. If you’re only a tiny bit left leaning it’s yucky af even thinking about e. g. wearing a t-shirt with a German flag. Ew.
Pins are quite common with conservative politicians, and I’d say they’re subdued enough.
Have, for example, Daniel Günther with the SH coat of arms. I mean he’s prime minister, why not.
This was the case until 2006, though. Today, is really not like that anymore.
Primarily because the nazis are back.
The Neo-Nazis I know carry different flags. Not the one from the Bundesrepublik, which is too woke for them.
I wouldn’t say that
The flag that stands for a democratic Germany is something only fascists associate with? Interesting take I’ve gotta say…
No, if you are versed with german culture you know that there is no widespread flag worshipping culture here. Flags are used to mark government buildings and in some international contexts. But when you are a MdB in the Bundestag there is no need to mark yourself as a german politican, because that is just obvious. So when you go out of your way to do it anyway it carries a message with it, and if you are a member of a far right extremist party, the message is pretty clear.
No, if you are versed with german culture you know that there is no widespread flag worshipping culture here.
There’s a difference between worshipping a flag like in the US or really any autocratic system and a relaxed approach to the own flag. I know and acknowledge what the flag of my country stands for and although I don’t need to wave it in everyone’s face, I still can connect to it. I respect that you might think differently about this, but I think the German flag itself isn’t what makes a person right-wing or even far-right.
The same people who show German flags on their clothes or social media profile pictures usually show up when there is some right wing protest, or next to some racist online comments, so it’s no longer a flag but more like the maga hat. It also serves as a sign so guys with small dicks can find each other.
Things have shifted in the last what 20 years: Back then no Nazi would ever be caught dead with a “black-red-mustard” flag, Nazi flags are outlawed so they were using imperial flags (black-white-red). Changed with the “Monday demonstrations”, and the Nazis, while infiltrating the AfD, adopting less overt symbolism. “Nono we’re not the Nazis don’t you see those boneheads there marching with the imperial flag those are Nazis”.
As far as use by non-fascists is concerned, it’s still generally limited to the extreme right (think Burschenschaften), or the world cup. Which, btw, was started by Turks: Dunno remember which but Turkey made it into the group stage at some point, lots of Germans with Turkish descent turned the balconies red, then Turkey got kicked out, and all of them, without batting an eye, switched to flying black-red-gold.
oh. well i dont get it. i mean yes, you never were just born into being a german so being proud makes no sense, if you think about it. But if you helped in any way making your country or region better then its “your” Flag, no? Can germans wear the Bavaria or Bremen Flag on a shirt? what is then? i sincerely dont know,
What Germans can do in general life and what they can do in parliament is very different. In general life they can wear whatever they want except for nazi symbols. It’s just parliament that has the no political clothing rule.
Can germans wear the Bavaria or Bremen Flag on a shirt?
Yes they can. In Germany you can wear any flag you want except the Nazi Flag (and related symbols from the Third Reich).
Considering Germany’s strict antisemitism laws and the fact that Palestine has repeatedly called for the extermination of all Jews, this can’t really be that surprising.
Sure, but in this case that has nothing to do with that. In the past a politician was removed for wearing a t-shirts that was protesting a train station. Political statements on clothing are just not allowed in general.
“Palestine” is a political statement? I thought it was a geographical region. I mean “Free Palestine” yes. But just the word “Palestine” on its own?
Yeah, for everyone that can put 2 and 2 together it is.
In the same way that protesting with a blank sheet of paper in Russia is politically dangerous and illegal.
It’s only political to the extent that it exposes German hypocrisy.
Nope, it’s just the dresscode being enforced as it always has been.
While the Bundestag does not have a detailed dress code, its rules require MPs and visitors to dress “in keeping with the prestige” of the institution.
So, there is no actual rule that she actually broke, unless we interpret the word “Palestine” to be not in keeping with the prestige of the Budestag. Are other country names or geographical regions also not in keeping with the prestige of the Bundestag? Like, when I visit can I not wear a shirt that says “Greece” on it? Or that says “Quebec” or “Antarctica”? Or is this is a special rule for country names that butthurt Germany’s “staatsraison”?
Enforcement of this standard is left to the discretion of the session chair.
The decision here is totally in line with how it was enforced in the past, unrelated to Palestine.
Are other country names or geographical regions also not in keeping with the prestige of the Bundestag?
Come one, you know you’re just feigning igorance here.
“Greece”, during the Greek financial crisis, would’ve been a political statement. Today it’d likely be fine.
Palestine has repeatedly called for the extermination of all Jews
I can make shit up too, check it out: “giraffes are purple”
My bullshit at least is not enabling genocide.
Hamas is not Palestine and the ADL is a genocide enabling organization that harbours deep anti-Palestinian racism. Got any better arguments to support your bigoted writings?
Lmao, Jesus Christ. I can lead a horse to water, but I can’t make it drink.
Got it. You actually don’t have any better arguments to support your bigoted writings.
Yeah, I guess verbatim quotations from Palestinian leadership isn’t enough to establish what they think. Too bad I don’t have your standards of just applying feelings without regard for the facts; you’re wise not to let logic or human decency stand in the way of your antisemitism, you might accidentally develop some self awareness
You are showing how Hamas are antisemitic. You are then elevating Hamas to all of Palestine. That’s neither net logic or human decency, that’s bait-and-switch.
But you know, we can play this game. Are you are ready to accept statements of Israeli top officials (from the freaking President, to the Prime Minister and his Ministers, to MKs and further down) as Israeli policy to exterminate Palestinians? Or is nuance only allowed for Israel and never allowed for Palestinians? Or is it that if we allow equal amounts of nuance to both sides, then that is antisemitism?
By, as a sitting elected representative of actual German voters, being expelled from the German Parliament for merely wearing a T-shirt with the word Palestine in it and nothing else, Cansin just neatly managed to prove that Germany is not a Democracy anymore.
Removing a sitting representative of voters, even if temporarily, from Parliament for any reason is already fishy as hell, removing one for merely wearing a T-shirt with the name of what Germany recognizes as a region (and most of the World recognizes as a country) is outright antidemocratic - they literally kicked out a politician from Parliament for making a political statement that others in Parliament did not like, the very antithesis of Democracy.
This is genuinely worrisome, especially given what Germany did last time they were going down this very same route of ditching Democratic Rules and Values using overtly racial motovations.
So you wouldnt want AfD representatives removed if they wore Ye shirts with “indian peace symbols”? This is simply enforcing the rules, theres no deep conspiracy or fascism behind it.
Are you seriously equating a swastika to the word “Palestine”???!
Also the whole “it’s the rules” justifying anti-Democratic actions is quite an old tradition in Germany that was used heavilly during a dark, dark part of German history, so one would expect extra alarm about “rules” there for things like silencing politicians in Parliament, rather than claiming “it’s the rules” - just like they did in the “good old days” - to justify anti-Democratic measures.
If you are German, your entire take on the whole subject of making an equivalence between the word “Palestine” and a swastika and an “appeal to the rules” to justify silencing politicians just like in Germany’s “good old days”, just emphasises my point about the alarming slide towards authoritarianism and authoritarian thinking in Germany.
Im definitely not equating it, I was giving an example. The rule is no political messages on clothing, this goes for the left and the right. Just because being left is morally better than being a fascist doesnt mean rules dont matter anymore.
What the fuck is anti-democratic about enforcing a rule thats been clear to everyone? Dont get riled up by ragebait, this is not what you seem to think it is.
The barrier for expelling an elected representative of voters from the actual Parliament in a Democracy should be far, far higher than their choice of clothing.
It’s not by chance that authoritarian regimes which try and simulate Democracy by having a Parliament will use such “arbitrarily enforced broad rules on irrelevant things” to selectively kick out elected representatives of voters, often as a means to exclude them from certain votes.
(Literally from the article: “its rules require MPs and visitors to dress ‘in keeping with the prestige’ of the institution” and “Enforcement of this standard is left to the discretion of the session chair”, so it’s exactly the kind of overbroad arbitrarily enforced rule that is perfect for the type of subversion of the political process that Authoritarian regimes so love).
So yeah, kicking out from Parliament an elected representative of voters for something which isn’t even breaking the Law (unlike your curiously chosen “swastika” example), is anti-Democratic - this is not a patron breaking the dress rules in some posh restaurant, it’s somebody who represents hundreds of thousands of Germans in the very Parliament were they have been tasked to represent them.
This together with other things such as forbidding the comparison of the actions of the nation state of Israel with those of Nazi Germany (outright Censorship) or the attempt by the authorities to kick out from Germany without a court order, much less a criminal conviction, non-German citizens for attending pro-Palestine demonstrations (avoidance of the Rule Of Law), adds up to a strong trend towards Authoritarianism.
Germany might not be Fascist yet, but by now it’s already less Democratic than most of Europe and, more alarming, keeps on moving away from Democratic practices and values.
Considering Germany’s past, one would expect a tendency to try and be as Democratic as possible, not using rules which are totally irrelevant for the political process (the wearing of a t-shirt with the word “Palestine” does not in any way form or shape impede the operation of the Parliament) to subvert the operation within the political process of those holding certain opinions, but not others
That then people come out claiming “it’s the rules” as a valid reason to remove an elected representative of voters from Parliament in a country were back in Nazi times “it’s the rules” was the most used excuse by Nazis and their supporters for the various actions against minorities, including some of the worst, is just mind boggling.
She knew she was going to be expelled beforehand and actively decided to wear the shirt anyway. It was her decision, not someone else making up some new arbitrary rule to expell her. You would definitely not defend a far-right politician with an “abortion is murder” shirt in the same situation. Youre simply biased. Not enforcing it after it becomes evident would be undemocratic period.
Im really glad the rule was enforced, otherwise tomorrow the whole AfD fraction would show up with far-right rhetoric shirts and either prove that rules in the parliament dont matter or get criticized and use it to position themselves as the victims like always. Whats the use in that?
Germany might not be Fascist yet, but by now it’s already less Democratic than most of Europe
You have literally no idea what youre talking about. Why am I even wasting my time.
It doesn’t matter that she knew: she brought to everybody’s attention that in Germany there’s an arbitrarily enforced rule to kick out from Parliament the representatives of voters and she showed how it gets used against those representatives that have certain opinions, but not others.
Of course you’re happy: you’ve been repeating “it’s the rules”, plus think it’s good because it can be used against people whose politics you don’t like, and it’s just as NAZI-supporters did back in the “good old days” and you probably don’t even realize that you’re using the same style of argument as they did.
I come from a country were our exit from Fascism was “only” 50 years ago, and really hope that in 25 years’ time we don’t end up like Germany, were Democracy is so degraded that people who think themselves “democrats” parrot the very same style of “arguments” as the Fascist did whilst thinking that it’s fine when they do it, just not when others do it.
and she showed how it gets used against those representatives that have certain opinions, but not others.
Thats exactly not what she showed, because it is enforced against everyone equally. The others just decided to follow the rule. I dont even believe she would have wanted to stay, she was obviously provoking it. She probably wanted to get some attention on the topic, get people to talk about it even if it meant being thrown out. It was her decision and she knew the consequences and she obviously decided it was worth it. Maybe its a good thing overall. But pretending that enforcing the rule itself was wrong is just hypocrisy.
Look, I know its hard to accept that not everything is a conspiracy to keep the left small. Playing the victim is the far-rights tactic and we dont need to drop to their level, its pathetic.
Everything youve been saying is completely biased and I think you know that by now but are still grasping at hypocritical straws. Enforcing rules that were set in place for keeping order in the parliament is not “anti-democratic”, how the fuck do you even come up with this bs.
By the way, did you know Nazis drink water and breathe air? You should stop doing that, youre just repeating their behavior.
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Oh, so now “Palestine” is the same level of offensive as a swastika?
Not to mention that a swastika is already banned in Germany, so your question is by definition pointless.
It is not the same, which I never claimed. Its just another example. Take whatever example you want. A russian flag, “Heil Kim Jong Un”, “free Israel”, whatever. They would all be treated like this because they break a rule thats been there forever. Its not arbitrary and definitely not anti-left. When youre robbing a bank, it doesnt matter if the bank is run by a Nazi or if you distribute the money among the poor. You will go to jail.
so are they saying palestines have not prestige? if you think about it, it makes sense. but correct me if im wrong.
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“You shouldn’t do politics here”
“But it’s literally the Parliament!”
Uh… This person’s whole job is to make political statements.
While the Bundestag does not have a detailed dress code, its rules require MPs and visitors to dress “in keeping with the prestige” of the institution.
Whoever put this rule on the books needs to be slapped across the face.
They wanted a dresscode. They wanted to have political discourse be through, you know, discourse, instead of through other means. But they didn’t want the dresscode to be so strict that they would be forced to wear the same silly robes for hundreds of years or so.
Okay now that I think about it that was an overreaction, but I still think such rules are completely unnecessary and ripe for misuse as a way of silencing minorities and opposition.
They wanted to have political discourse be through, you know, discourse, instead of through other means
Why though? What is gained by putting such a rule in place?
I guess it reduces the chance of political stunts disrupting the session. The Bundestag is supposed to get shit done, which is already hard enough. Write Palestine on the agenda, have actual debates and call out the hypocrisy of everyone. Propose a law like “No weapons for war criminals”.
But disrupting the session (which this incident didn’t, but could if done a little bit more aggressively) is in the end just an empty virtue signaling gesture that is better suited for election campaigns.
this is germany, not palestine. i can say this even if i support their right to exist as a state.
Did anyone claim that germany is palestine?
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No. Nobody wants that, nobody is trying that. Take your fucking right wing dogwhistles and “great replacement” pipe dreams and piss off.
For context: this user just dropped the n-bomb in another thread.
On Welt, n-tv and Tagesschau were Videos where these People waved Palestine Flags and shouted: “Das ist unser Land.”
Im just going by what i hear…
Oh, and there’s surely no other possibility, like, idk, them having palestinian backgrounds and meaning Palestine being their land and not Israel’s? For all I know you could just make shit up.
Im just going by what i hear…
Giving off “jUsT aSkInG qUeStIoNs”-vibes.
possible
Citing Die Welt first is not really a smart move. But someone that thinks Freiwild is just a normal band is maybe not the right person to explain this to.
Probably thinks “Schrei nach Liebe” is about other people.
and the other 2?
You can say anything you want but it doesn’t mean that what you’re saying makes any sense.
