Left Party MP Cansin Köktürk was thrown out of a German parliament plenary chamber on Wednesday for wearing a t-shirt with the word “Palestine” printed on it, a move deemed a political statement by the parliamentary leadership.

Bundestag President Julia Klöckner intervened during the session, reminding MPs that political messages on clothing are not permitted in the chamber.

While the Bundestag does not have a detailed dress code, its rules require MPs and visitors to dress “in keeping with the prestige” of the institution. Enforcement of this standard is left to the discretion of the session chair.

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    Lol, you really would love to put me in that pigeonhole, wouldn’t you?

    There are multiple historical and category errors in your paragraph, but I honestly don’t have time to unpack them. Here’s some AI slop:

    This paragraph is riddled with historical inaccuracies and category errors. It’s rhetorically forceful, but its logic collapses under scrutiny. Let’s take it apart piece by piece:


    1. Historical Error: Claiming Muslims “established a colony” in Palestine

    Why it’s wrong: The use of the term “colony” to describe early Muslim rule in Palestine projects a modern, colonial framework onto a 7th-century geopolitical reality. Islam spread to Palestine in the 630s under the Rashidun Caliphate, not as a settler-colonial project like European colonization of the Americas or Africa, but through imperial conquest typical of the era (just like the Byzantines or Sassanids). The inhabitants—mostly Christian and Jewish—remained, and conversions were gradual and often voluntary over centuries.

    Key distinction: Colonization (especially settler colonialism) is a modern concept involving displacement and replacement of populations, not just conquest or rule. There is no evidence that early Muslim rulers displaced the existing population or claimed to have “discovered” the land.


    2. Category Error: Equating Ancient Conquest with Modern Settler Colonialism

    Why it’s wrong: This is like comparing Alexander the Great’s campaigns to British imperialism in India. Conquest in the pre-modern world (Roman, Islamic, Ottoman) didn’t operate by the ideological or demographic logic of settler colonialism. The modern Zionist project, by contrast, involves organized immigration, settlement building, and a nation-state formation model derived from 19th–20th century European nationalism and colonialism.

    Bottom line: Not all conquest is settler colonialism. Equating all land acquisition through violence across time ignores the historical development of concepts like state sovereignty, nationalism, and colonization.


    3. Historical Error: “Muslims…are the ones to establish the precedent of conquering lands”

    Why it’s wrong: Laughably ahistorical. The idea that Muslims invented conquest is absurd. The Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, and countless others practiced conquest millennia before Islam existed. Empires rose and fell through conquest for thousands of years—it’s as old as human civilization.

    This is like saying Apple invented the phone.


    4. Category Error: Treating “Muslims” and “Jews” as Coherent, Timeless Political Actors

    Why it’s wrong: This is an essentialist flattening of history. “Muslims” aren’t a monolith across time any more than “Jews” are. Conflating religious identity with political actors across centuries obscures the real historical agents: empires, states, and specific movements. The Rashidun Caliphate is not equivalent to Hamas or Palestinian nationalism. Likewise, biblical Israelites are not interchangeable with the Zionist movement.

    Religious identity ≠ political continuity.


    5. Philosophical/Political Error: “There is no such thing as a legitimate claim to land ownership”

    Why it’s wrong: This is an extreme Hobbesian or anarchist position—but the author then inconsistently tries to morally evaluate conquest, saying it’s hypocritical to oppose it only in one case. If all claims are illegitimate because they’re rooted in violence, then none can be morally judged on differential grounds.

    You can’t reject the legitimacy of all land claims and then accuse someone of selective outrage about land ownership. That’s self-defeating.


    6. False Dilemma and Accusation of Antisemitism

    Why it’s wrong: The final rhetorical move—accusing critics of Israel of antisemitism if they don’t also criticize 7th-century Islamic conquests—is both a category error and a false equivalence. It implies that modern political critique must be retroactively applied to ancient empires or it’s invalid. That’s not how political ethics work.

    You can criticize modern settler colonialism without needing to condemn the Rashidun Caliphate. Just like you can oppose Putin’s invasion of Ukraine without dragging in the Mongol Empire.


    The Bigger Picture:

    This paragraph doesn’t just stumble over history. It weaponizes bad history and flawed logic to shut down critique. It uses false equivalences and essentialism to conflate ancient empires with modern states and religious groups with political projects. This isn’t just poor reasoning—it’s ideologically loaded misdirection.

    In short:

    • It’s historically ignorant.
    • Philosophically confused.
    • Politically manipulative.

    And ultimately, it tries to smear legitimate political critique under the guise of fighting antisemitism—ironically cheapening real struggles against actual antisemitism in the process.

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      Lmao, thanks ChatGPT, I’m glad you have a well-reasoned perspective you’ve investigated thoroughly and you’re not just repeating what some machine has told you to think. You’d really love to draw the kinds of distinctions your AI has made for you, but they’re similarly predicated on making arbitrary distinctions between identical concepts in order to denigrate the Jews. That’s the kind of logical flaw a human might be able to recognize, if you take the time to think things though. At least have enough self respect to come up with your own thoughts next time; using AI to argue for you is intellectually dishonest, pathetically lazy, and only serves to reveal that you neither understand nor actually believe the nonsense you’re parroting.

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        I repeatedly responded to your snark with good faith argumentation and nuanced political distinctions. You responded with mockery, moving goalpoasts (somehow you started talking about the Arab conquests), personal insults, spurious accusations of antisemitism and zero engagement with the actual content of my writing. You repeatedly dismissed nuance, equated critique with bigotry, and refused to acknowledge basic historical distinctions. It is clear you aren’t arguing in good faith, and all you’re trying to do is validate your preconceived idea that anyone criticizing Israel has to “deep down” be an antisemite. AI slop is all the answer you deserve. Enjoy your echo chamber.

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          As soon as you resorted to AI, it was clear that you were not interested in discussion or debate, you’re only interested in pushing the same tired antisemitic narrative, and you’re incredibly lazy about it. You have such little conviction in what you’re saying that you had to resort to canned replies provided by some machine that thinks for you, not only undermining everything you say, but also revealing what a sad, desperate sort of person is actually fighting so fiercely from behind the safety of a keyboard. Now you’re tucking tail and running, claiming that it’s actually your opponent who’s acting badly, when you have demonstrated repeatedly that you’re not really a serious interlocutor. It’s a classic fascist technique: avoid having to admit that your position is flawed by pretending that the game is unfair and rigged against you. Enjoy your sad little life, you pathetic little Nazi.

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            Ah and there it is. You’ve been itching all along to call me that. Reported.

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              21 hours ago

              Since you seem to be the one trolling me with your GPT replies, I guess I’ll report you too?

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                Nice attempt to reframe what happened. First you repeatedly flooded the zone with historical misrepresentations. I would need to either spend the rest of my day answering your increasingly snarky and bad faith comments, or, as I did, let AI show you at least the ways that you are wrong. But that didn’t even register to you, at no point did you actually engage with the even basic arguments I made, you just kept flooding the zone with more and more bullshit. There is one troll in this discussion and it is not me.

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                    Your submission in “Left Party MP expelled from German parliament for wearing Palestine t-shirt” was removed for trolling & ad-hominem & misinfo. You are now banned from !europe for 30 days.