We would like to hear from people on what they think about hotels, restaurants and campsites that are for adults only, and whether they should be banned
The wording is bad. But here, we’re talking about banning the ban, ie. it’s the children who are banned. In principle, I don’t mind banning the ban, this feels like discrimination against the children and people with children. But I have children, so I’m biased that way. Of course, uncivilized behavior should not be tolerated, be it children or adults.
Thing is, as the commissioner said themselves, kids are gonna make noise. And I’m perfectly fine with that, as part of their growing up. But peace & quiet is a fundamental right, that’s why I’m not allowed to play the drums at 3 AM. And sometimes, just for a week of two of holiday, I wouldn’t mind it all day long. In fact, I kinda need to zone out of the real world for a bit once in a while, and that’s a luxury I’m willing to pay for.
But you can’t call quiet environments a luxury and then ban providing it. Drinking alcohol is also a luxury. You can’t expect to do it everywhere, but you certainly can ban kids from entering an area where alcohol is expected to be served. And if you’re going to a theme park, don’t expect either luxury, because that’s a place where children are prioritised.
Only thing I’ld argue is that if you’re banning kids due to noise, you gotta ban all noise.
Now, why would you make it personal. Why my kids? I wouldn’t want my kids to hang near a person like you (I actually don’t care, but just so you know that it hurts when people say it like that). My point is, this is not a simple question to discuss and the least it needs is dragging it to a personal level. A more important question is should this even be regulated? And where do you draw the line? Like, I don’t think it’s a good idea to allow children in unsafe places and in places that exposes them to nudity or explicit content, but I would also very much object if I wasn’t allowed to a certain restaurant with a kid, but the pets are allowed. Where is the line? Certain age? Certain gender? Skin color? Pet? At which point is it discrimination? In the end, this comes out as a sort of positive discrimination to make people with children feel less alienated and unwelcome. As a guy with kids, I can tell you I’ve felt that way too many times. I would certainly not want to ruin anyone’s good time and in fact - my kids behave in that way. I don’t like being disallowed to take my kids anywhere, though I’m certainly not going to take them to places I don’t feel they belong. Children should be allowed in more places, but children should not be allowed to behave any different than any normal adult - if you make noise, you’re out, just like a drunk obnoxious guest, for example. Unfortunately, it’s a similar situation like with people with pets. People who are the least responsible are the first to take their pets/children where they should not go. It’s the parents who are a problem, not children. Not pets.
The wording is bad. But here, we’re talking about banning the ban, ie. it’s the children who are banned. In principle, I don’t mind banning the ban, this feels like discrimination against the children and people with children. But I have children, so I’m biased that way. Of course, uncivilized behavior should not be tolerated, be it children or adults.
I’m aware of the wording.
Thing is, as the commissioner said themselves, kids are gonna make noise. And I’m perfectly fine with that, as part of their growing up. But peace & quiet is a fundamental right, that’s why I’m not allowed to play the drums at 3 AM. And sometimes, just for a week of two of holiday, I wouldn’t mind it all day long. In fact, I kinda need to zone out of the real world for a bit once in a while, and that’s a luxury I’m willing to pay for.
But you can’t call quiet environments a luxury and then ban providing it. Drinking alcohol is also a luxury. You can’t expect to do it everywhere, but you certainly can ban kids from entering an area where alcohol is expected to be served. And if you’re going to a theme park, don’t expect either luxury, because that’s a place where children are prioritised.
Only thing I’ld argue is that if you’re banning kids due to noise, you gotta ban all noise.
That was your choice. People should be able to go places and not have to hang out with your kids.
Now, why would you make it personal. Why my kids? I wouldn’t want my kids to hang near a person like you (I actually don’t care, but just so you know that it hurts when people say it like that). My point is, this is not a simple question to discuss and the least it needs is dragging it to a personal level. A more important question is should this even be regulated? And where do you draw the line? Like, I don’t think it’s a good idea to allow children in unsafe places and in places that exposes them to nudity or explicit content, but I would also very much object if I wasn’t allowed to a certain restaurant with a kid, but the pets are allowed. Where is the line? Certain age? Certain gender? Skin color? Pet? At which point is it discrimination? In the end, this comes out as a sort of positive discrimination to make people with children feel less alienated and unwelcome. As a guy with kids, I can tell you I’ve felt that way too many times. I would certainly not want to ruin anyone’s good time and in fact - my kids behave in that way. I don’t like being disallowed to take my kids anywhere, though I’m certainly not going to take them to places I don’t feel they belong. Children should be allowed in more places, but children should not be allowed to behave any different than any normal adult - if you make noise, you’re out, just like a drunk obnoxious guest, for example. Unfortunately, it’s a similar situation like with people with pets. People who are the least responsible are the first to take their pets/children where they should not go. It’s the parents who are a problem, not children. Not pets.