almost every parent is irresponsible selfish trash. there’s no need to put a person through a lifetime of pain just so you can have a few years of fun playing mommy.
Thank goodness my second child isn’t due today.
This is actually optimistic. They think kids are going to grow up.
They think people these days can afford to have kids.
I’m 42 and I’ve been told this like every 5 years or so.
And have you not seen things heading in that direction? I’m 57 and I sure as hell have.
Oh yes definitely I’ve seen it slowly going from bad to worse, I guess i meant to say that I’m tired and exhausted from it. And from no one in power actually wanting to do anything about fixing it.
Fun fact! The people who control who is in power!
The people don’t want change. They want their luxury, their excess. Even at the cost of the world.
Bernie Sanders has been screaming consistently about it for decades.
That’s on the people to vote for people who actually care.
Green parties rarely win, and that’s on us.
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It’s gonna be awesome when we’re old and need end of life care and the younger generations are too poor to help us and too stupid to help us even if they weren’t poor.
We’re headed into a very, very stupid and depressing future. And it’s 100% avoidable.
*was avoidable, by taking steps 25-40 years ago. Boomers took us right over the edge of any cliff they could find, again and again.
Welcome to COSCO, I love you.
Maybe that was a little too much Patrick
Millennials been saying this since we were teens but were told to shut up and sit down
And we did…
It’s why I’m not having kids tbh
GenX been hammered this since we were kids ain’t nothing changing because we are all addicted to this course we are on including you and your generation.
The sooner we all admit it’s our habits that have collectively caused this the sooner we solve it but we all know that shit isn’t gonna happen so here we are. I feel sorry for my kids and hope one day it gets bad enough that we all agree to change it.
Do not blame private citizens for the actions taken by large corporations and governments agencies.
There’s plenty of blame to go around.
Private citizens are supporting shitty companies and electing shitty governments.
When there are only two shitty options to choose from, picking the least shitty option doesn’t mean they were the ‘good’ one.
issue is some countries and areas have viable affordable alternatives to planet destroying lifestyle habits, but people still chose to destroy the planet
The sooner we all admit it’s our habits that have collectively caused this the sooner we solve it but we all know that shit isn’t gonna happen so here we are. I
Can we acknowledge that most consumer habits are directly driven by the media and large corporations influencing people through news and advertising? Or that corporations have done their best to offload the responsibility for polluting the biosphere onto consumers, even as they knowingly peddled products that had direct damage to ecosystems and pushed habits that did nothing but make consumers feel better about the shitty products they consume (see plastic recycling).
Sorry but no. Many understand and hate this path yet there is little choice when the alternati-e is homelessness, starvation and/or jail
The study says that people will experience 18 heat waves in their life time, up from 11. A heatwave could be as short as 2 days, or a couple of days or longer. They worry that the temp. Could rise by 3.5C despite current polices will keep us at about 2.4C. It is a bit fearmonger-ey once you read the methodology. They are basing it if you live in Belgium.
The UK just had a “heatwave,” which was about 26C+ or so, still far from the highest of 34.8C which is the highest recorded in 30+ years.
Pollution is a bigger problem, with plastic being found in kids developing brains, for example.
Yeah because it’s Spring here in the UK. Getting 26 degrees C at this time of year, and for this many weeks in a row is insane.
And we’re STILL not willing to reign in capitalism.
We doomed ourselves. My pity is reserved for all the species we’re taking with us in this murder/suicide for short term profit for the avarice diseased. Those capitalists are by far most to blame, but no one that contributes to the capitalist machine, myself included, is without blame for the effectively permanent destruction of our COMMUNal habitat.
Unless you’re an eco-terrorist who has been actively trying to destroy the capitalist machine, the precious few good guys as far as I’m concerned if your goal is a viable habitat for our species at all beyond the next couple decades, we’ve all been seeing this oncomming train heading towards us our entire lives and done nothing of note.
We can’t keep living like we’ve been living, as gluttonous consumers with 78 kinds of plastic packaged cereal made a thousand miles away in any form AND survive as a species, and it’s clear which choice we’ve made. We aren’t willing to live closer to the land, to farm the food our community eats, to live small lives understanding we are subject to earth and not the other way around, so we gotta go so life can go on without us.
Humans are pretty resilient. I don’t think we’re going to go extinct, unless we do the nuclear winter thing, which I personally believe is inevitable on a long enough timeline. Short of that, we’ll see mass death and an extreme decline in quality of life, but we’ll probably, unfortunately, continue on as a species. Either way, we’ll end up destroying this planet eventually. We simply cannot exist in symbiosis with nature.
I’m not really on the fence about the bright vs dark future thing anymore, as you can see by my name. It’s pretty much guaranteed we’ve chosen the dark future option.
Blah blah ecofascist doomerism. We can live harmonically with nature and have for most of our history. Our current consumerist society isn’t compatible with sustainable and responsible practices but that isn’t a forgone conclusion or intrinsic to human behavior. That’s not to say that we aren’t on a bad path, we absolutely are and a great many organisms are going extinct because of us, but ascribing a moral value to our very existence is the wrong move.
Not true. Humans always reproduced to the absolute limit (set by their agricultural technology and the bodies of women). The reason why this didn’t wreck the environment is because that limited population was too small to turn 50% of land into farmland, they didn’t know how to burn large amounts of coal and they didn’t have the technology to produce harmful chemicals.
But i agree that humanity (or any other species) has no value. Saying humanity has value is like saying the white race has value. It’s pure aestethics, it’s not worth it to make anyone suffer for that.
Humans always reproduced to the absolute limit
My understanding is that this is not true. The big factor seems to be infant mortality, as that drops so does the average number of children per breeding pair.
Turns out you are right. At least on the surface.
- While the actual birth rate was 4.5 to 7.5 before 1800, the effective birth rate was about 2.
- Women’s mortality was also not the problem. The probability to die in child birth was '‘only’ 0.5%
But if we dig deeper, we find that only 10% of children made it to their 20s, and the reason for that was famine and disease.
So those that kept the population growing lived under conditions where the reason why their children died was because they could not feed them or keep them healthy. And if we take the 0.5% of maternal mortality, and apply it to those responsible for the population growth (those that made it into their 20s), we get a rough estimate of 50% effective maternal mortality. So it was the agricultural technology in combination with war, disease and child birth that kept the population low.And that’s what i meant: They lived in a situation where 80-90% of their friends had died of famine, disease and war, and under these horrific conditions they still produced 4.5 to 7.5 children per woman, which kept the population growing (slowly). As soon as that limitation was lifted, the population shot up.
Personally, i don’t see any planning in that. They just had as many children as they could before they died, not worrying about how they would feed them.
Human nature is game theory driven by greed. Billions of people are too much chaos.
Only in a social framework that rewards greed. “Human nature” is almost impossible to understand because it can’t be studied with a control group.
Incinerating the planet in the name of profit is a very recent concept.
Capitalism in its current form has existed for the last 2% of human civilization. 5% if you count mercantilism as a form of capitalism. For the vast majority of history, people owned their own means of production.
You are giving our species too much credit. For almost all of our history, we merely lacked the technologies capable of terraforming our planet against us for short term profit.
If the kings and feudal lords of yore had the capability to burn the long term future to goose their short term greed disease hoards, they would have.
We’re a gaggle of monkeys just barely capable, with great effort, of devising tools with complexities and consequences we’re still far too primitive to wield responsibly, nothing more.
I’m of the opinion this is one of those theoretical Great Filters that explains the lack of a loud universe filled with the signals of other civilizations.
Evolution is slow. If complex life is common and eventually leads to intelligence, maybe there’s just a common chasm between when when a species becomes… clever enough, because we’ve proven as a species we aren’t intelligent… To split atoms or otherwise alter the habitat of their world technologically, but still sit biologically in the tribal, zero sum, rival monkeys have to lose so we big win! mentality that is necessary in nature but harmful to a civilization, that inevitably leads to self-destruction.
What was the FIRST thing we sought to do with the awesome power of the atom again? Wasn’t even a hundred years ago. That’s who we are. We could have made a warm light for all mankind, instead we made big boomie boom rival monkey tribe, wheeeeee!
I guess feudalism was technically not capitalism…
Stop having kids. No, it won’t prevent the climate from going to shit. Yes, it will prevent you from creating new victims.
The only thing Evil (aka. suffering, disease, war,…) needs to exist is that ‘good’ people continue to have children.
But… but… who will grow the economy so we can get the first trillionaire? Humanity has never existed with less than 2 billion people. Suggesting that lower than replacement birth rates are possible is eco fascist!!1 /s
The reality of closing schools, rotting infrastructure, and an aging destitute population that comes from population decline is going to be rough to live through. It’s good for the planet I suppose, but us humans living in this human system are going to suffer.
Budgets for elderly care are already getting slashed and more expensive thanks to neoliberalism. Where has all that abundance from growth gone?
The problem is not the population distribution, it is an economic system that is a giant Ponzi scheme constructed on theoretical infinite growth.
You know what’s worse than closed schools and rotting infrastructure? A mass extinction of species entirely caused by humans:
That’s a cool graph(?), where is it from?
https://www.pnas.org/doi/epub/10.1073/pnas.2204892120
It’s so cool, it’s actually chilling
But… but… in US, you get a whole $5,000 usd hehe
And a $20,000 bill for delivery
Shit, just what I want to read while my girlfriend is in labour.
Just tell her to try and hold things in until tomorrow, that should help.
Congrats!
Thanks!
15/05/25 or 05/15/25 for the Americans is a good day to be boring though.
YES WE FUCKING KNOW
So uh what do I call what we are living in right now?
The calm before the storm.
What we’ve got now is peanuts compared to what kind of future we’re looking towards.
yay.
I would be sad about this, but I think I’ve used up all my sad, and now I’m just pissed. We could prevent all of this, but its gonna have to get really really bad before we drag our leaders out into the streets over this crap. It’s a sad day for our species, and barely anybody even notices.
and now I’m just pissed.
Great. Sad leads to apathy; angry leads to guillotines.
You still have piss? I’m so pissed out. It’s just comedy at this point.
It’s still funny to you? I’m just trying to make it to Tuesday.
Oh honey, that was yesterday. Someone needs a hug.
We could prevent all of this, but its gonna have to get really really bad before we drag our leaders out into the streets over this crap.
And it’s a one-way progression, so if we let it get to that point it’s going to stay at that point even after the leaders are gotten rid of. In order to actually solve the problem properly, we have to do it before it gets bad enough for normies to support it.
Well, fortunately Trump is doing a pretty good job at radicalizing everybody in the US (and outside the US) against the status quo/world order and those who uphold it.
Hopefully we will never resort to that sort of violence to address our problems though.
Radicalizing… who exactly? I see some anemic little protests full of Americans who are unwilling to actually commit civil disobedience, let alone do something “radical.” I see people rolling over and taking it. Where are the “radicalized” people?
Funny, because I’ve been seeing some of the largest protests my city has seen in 20+ years
They are protesting, but are they committing disobedience? Would you picture any of those protests going crazy and throwing the governors out of the windows?
I have seen a lot of +1 million protests in my country during my lifetime. None of them worked for anything.
I’m not saying revolution doesn’t work, historically it does. But your judgement is not very practical. If you act as an individual you get arrested for terrorism and the state charges you with the death penalty. You riot the state brings in the riot police to bash your face in. You truly revolt and they bring in the tanks and declare martial law. Martial law would greatly benefit the current administration.
I don’t know how to get around these obstacles, and I suspect neither do you. I have a whole hell of a lot more respect for those that leave their homes to protest injustice than those that stay at home and do nothing other than critize people for trying. I don’t see you volunteering to fire the first shot in either my country or yours. So until you are ready to take that leap maybe don’t critize those trying to do something. Or come up with a criticism more constructive than “why don’t you just commit crimes and risk everything including your life”. That’s a lot to ask of anyone
Sitting here posting like your entire country wasn’t founded on (and continues to LOUDLY congratulate itself for) risking everything to bring the fight to overwhelmingly powerful and oppressive forces.
Whatever the outcome of all this is, I never want to hear a word about your beloved fucking founding fathers again.
Just because protests aren’t being covered by the mainstream media doesn’t mean they don’t exist. And a significant portion of liberal spaces are becoming radical in sentiment, even if some are still constrained to hoping Bernie and AOC will save them in 2028. You aren’t going to hear me praise anything going on as being sufficient, though.
It’s a sad day for our species, and barely anybody even notices.
It’s kinda like when you’re hungry and the hunger pains don’t go away until twenty minutes after you’ve started eating so you eat way too much.
A lot of the major consequences aren’t here yet (enough that denial is still possible). People will notice after it’s already gotten really terrible and it’s beyond obvious that we should’ve done anything at any cost about it.
Maybe when the arctic circle is springing up palm trees people will understand that it’s not a Chinese hoax.
We will have to teach that there are five seasons now: spring, summer, inferno, autumn and winter.
Storm, Flood, Heatwave, Fire, Dust, Blizzard
With our powers combined, we call Captain Pollution.
Naw, where I am we mostly have SMOKE
No really
Smoke is part of every depiction of hell, so ‘Inferno’ is still applicable.
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In an analysis of human exposure to climate change extremes — such as heatwaves, floods, droughts, wildfires, cyclones and crop failures — researchers found that children born in 2020 are two to seven times more likely to face one-in-10,000 year events than those who were born in 1960.
Why pick (great) grandparents as the reference point?
Wouldn’t it be more practical to compare them with their parents?
Edit: the actual study does show comparative data for other cohorts (i.e. every decade since 1960). Unless the average LiveScience reader is in their 60s, they just picked a weirdly unrelatable way to describe the study.
Umm actually this is just woke and we should have more children for racist reasons /s
Tell that to Africans, and to a few South American countries, they are the only ones who are not crashing and have a viable replacement rate above 2.1… and then some.
If you were really concerned about over population that is what one would do, but no one here would have the guts for ideological reasons or for fear of being even remotely perceived as possibly a racist. Despite objective statistics. /s
This is depressing but let’s bring your map into context.
Now it’s even more depressing because that means humans have been using children as a tool to create social security, knowing full well that most of them will suffer and die at an early age.
It’s a pyramid scheme played with (literally) innocent people at the expense of an insane amount of suffering and death.
Where did they say anything about “overpopulation”?
