I am flabbergasted. Who would have thought that a man with decades long ties to Russia, who’s met with and spoke highly of Putin, who had russian spies crawling all over his first presidential campaign, who’s backed by russian oligarch money, would say such a silly thing about Ukraine.
They’re planning an offensive that has moscow scared enough they are rattling their nuclear sabers. Seems like a poorly thought out move for a “destroyed” country and that their hegemonic buddies would advise them against rather than helping them tool up for the fight.
You know when you go to a movie and it looks amazing but turns out to be just the same fucking trope of a shitty guy with a sack of money belonging to an actual real bad guy and instead of just delivering it, the shitty guy blew it?
Now you gotta sit through two hours of him verbally fellating the guy then getting actually scared? That one?
Anyone else hate that trope?
Why do you hate No Country for Old Men?! (LOL, it’s pretty close.)
Fargo too
Concerning whatever this felon awaiting sentencing might say, recall that the opposite is true.
Slava Ukraini!
Trump laid blame for the conflict on President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris, his Democratic rival in November. He said Biden “egged it all on” by pledging to help Ukraine defend itself rather than pushing it to cede territory to Russia.
“Biden and Kamala allowed this to happen by feeding Zelenskyy money and munitions like no country has ever seen before,” Trump said.
Why didn’t he resolve the conflict during his presidency?
Or we also believe him that it didn’t exist when he was president? His first impeachment was for blocking already approved aid.
He thinks it all works on respect. That Putin wouldn’t have done it because of respect.
I think just the opposite. he won’t say it directly but if you put all the pieces together he’s saying we shouldn’t care about ukraine and he would have just let Russia take it. That’s probably why Putin decided to strike while trump was in office.
Two different things. He, like mob bosses, demand respect and all that.
And he doesn’t care about Ukraine. So he’ll serve it up on a platter.
Given he wants to dismantle NATO… you’re probably right
Trump needs to play less GTA2.
It’s great when his arguments only strengthen my resolve to stand with Democrats in supporting Ukraine.
“they didn’t extort ukraine for oppo research hard enough!”
feeding Zelenskyy money and munitions like no country has ever seen before
Except the Soviet Union during WW2. But we all know Trump is on the wrong side of that one too.
Have you heard the joke?
Putin summons the ghost of Stalin. “Help me Stalin, I’m having trouble with nazis”.
Stalin says “Just do what I did. Send in your best troops, the Ukrainians, and ask the US for supplies.”
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I just refuse to listen to a chronically lying fat fuck who shits himself on the regular
He’s way too deep in bed with Russia, and has been since the 90s if not earlier, to ever be taken seriously. How the fuck he wasn’t disqualified and charge over election interference and acting as a foreign agent in 2016 is beyond me.
If Trump is elected, the USA would also be demolished, but you should not give up the entire country.
Ukraine may be in rough shape, but no real fire fighter would stop trying to put out a fire at a burning house. There is always something to save.
Not that I disagree about Ukraine but a good firefighter would probably know if a house is a lost cause and that the best course of action is to prevent the fire from spreading to others.
Its almost like thats exactly what has happened and is still happening. Russia would be on its knees if we actually stopped holding Ukraine back
They would also yell at the people holding back the water.
Almost as if no analogy is 100% perfect
Ukraine most certainly is not fully engulfed requiring a surround and drown.
Hence the “Not that I disagree about Ukraine” right at the beginning. Just pointing out the fireman metaphor doesn’t really work here.
You are welcome to provide a more apt analogy; mine works fine. @[email protected] caught the gist, you may be stuck in the mist?
He’ll say the same to Taiwan, too
I mean, only if that’s what Xi writes on the check’s memo line.
I can’t believe the President of Ukraine actually went and met with this guy, and then he still said this afterwards.
Well, I can actually. That’s how scummy this guy is.
Trump more and more desperate for those Russian funds. Probably gets $1 million for each Ukraine/Zelensky diss.
And he’ll still get up in front of Americans and claim he’s not taking the side of the most belligerent enemy of democracy on this planet.
Trump always sides with himself.
It’s making big sense lately why tankies LOVE trump so much.
He supports their favorite dictators very well.
I hope all the tankies and “genociders” will vanish after november so we can have normal discussions.
The worst thing about genocide is how it prevents internet liberals from shitposting in peace.
Voting trump won’t stop it. Voting kamala won’t stop it. Voting third party won’t stop it. Widespread protests won’t stop it. But go ahead and explain how we’re all culpable regardless.
Widespread protests could stop it.
Just not by relatively small numbers of unarmed college students.
Widespread protests got us…
Checks notes
4 cops prosecuted for an obvious murder. Not quite ending genocide level, but good luck rising up with the masses.
You can’t seriously debate if idiots screams gEnOcide JoE!!1! every few lines.
Just explaining.
Debate what?
Saw this just after reading the post about Russia knocking out Ukrainian citizens’ ability to heat their homes this winter.
Any tankies wanna weigh in on why this is acceptable?
I suppose it’s considered acceptable for the Ukrainian people to suffer like that for the sake of the state interests of Ukraine and NATO, but personally I disagree, which is why I want the war to end. I personally don’t see how continued fighting is meant to benefit the average Ukrainian.
You understand that stopping fighting would in no way benefit the average Ukrainian and I think most people would agree your nation no longer existing would be the least beneficial thing for Ukraine.
I’m genuinely curious: we all want the way to stop but I really do want to know what’s your solution?
You understand that stopping fighting would in no way benefit the average Ukrainian
No, I do not “understand” this at all. The average Ukrainian would certainly be better off of the fighting stopped.
and I think most people would agree your nation no longer existing would be the least beneficial thing for Ukraine.
First off, Ukraine “no longer existing” isn’t really on the table. Secondly, while a state no longer existing is obviously a bad outcome from the perspective of the state, whether it’s good or bad for the average person, and to what degree, depends on the state and what the alternative is.
I’m not aware of very much that the Ukrainian state was doing to help it’s people before the war, or what rights people living in the disputed territories would enjoy as part of Ukraine as opposed to if they were part of Russia, or vice versa. So I see very little case for supporting either side in the war, from the perspective of class interests as distinct from state interests.
I’m genuinely curious: we all want the way to stop but I really do want to know what’s your solution?
Negotiate. Diplomatic approaches have been completely written off from start to finish, with Ukraine insisting on a complete withdrawal from all disputed territory as a precondition for talks, even from Crimea, which Russia already had before the war. Some territorial concessions are worth it to stop the meat grinder, because the amount of lives that would have to be sacrificed to reclaim all the territory are not worth the benefit.
How? Russia won’t leave and they aren’t tasting anyone well, kidnapping kids during the war kinda tells you everything you need to know.
It 100% is, give in this time and they’ll do it again just like last time.
So you’re ignorant but insist your opinion is correct?
They’ve tried, Russia says give up territory or die, no middle ground. This is very well documented.
That user is an accelerationist who wants Donald to drive the US into the ground so China can gain more global influence. They’re deliberately unwilling to confront facts, as you can see by the suggestion of Ukraine negotiating with country notorious for failing to honor its treaties.
Every word you speak is a lie. Are you even capable of being truthful?
The complete post-truth doublethink the liberals are doing these days is shocking. There is no difference between MAGA Trump supporters and the vast majority of liberals these days. I don’t think they are capable to be truthful any more.
It really shows what happens when the mainstream media is owned by oligarchs and use the right propaganda to hone in on the “emotional truths” of a group. For them it’s about justice and and evil and a good. US supporting Israel commit genocide is evil. US supporting Ukraine become demcoratic is good. Russia attacking because of NATO expansion is evil.
So everything that doesn’t fit with this narrative, that they are the good guys, is dismissed or rationalized. Easy when it just so happens if the arguments are made by their evil enemies. Historical facts simply don’t matter.
I mean judging by what I’ve seen it doesn’t seem like they’re wrong.
Your stance is at best naively idealistic or at worst incredibly ill informed, stupid and legitimately dangerous.
I suppose it’s considered acceptable for the Polish people to suffer like that for the sake of the state interests of Poland and The League of Nations, but personally I disagree, which is why I want the war to end. I personally don’t see how continued fighting is meant to benefit the average Pole.
Because dictators use the new land for continued invasions while exterminating the non compliant population. War is a better condition to be under fighting for freedom, than the conditions of the Holocaust and complete despair.
Putin isn’t doing the Holocaust. In the case of WWII, you can point very clearly to a reason why stopping Hitler was in the class interests of the people of Europe. I never claimed to be opposed to all war, just to wars that aren’t in the interests of the average person. It’s kind of telling that you have to jump to a completely different conflict from 70 years ago instead of just making the case for the current conflict, or at least comparing it to something from recent history.
The mass murders and rehoming of Ukrainian children to Russia is where all the rubber meets the road here. He’s not killing the privileged class of Ukrainians, they’re long gone. He’s genociding the working class that’s forced to stay and get bombed into paste.
No the question was why the attack was acceptable but incredible pivot on the question. That must have taken years of training.
As a tankie, I oppose virtually all war, because that’s what being a tankie means. I don’t consider it acceptable for Russia to knock out the ability for people to heat their homes.
You just prefer having the human rights abuses against populations that lack the means for defense, like when it happens to Uyghurs.
Do you ever get tired of following me around and telling lies?
It’s minimal effort to inform users of the truth when I see you spreading yet more disinformation in one of these communities we both browse.
If you want to play make-believe, wouldn’t you have more fun on your .ml instance where the admins treat facts with the same disdain you do? Not sure why you bring these takes outside of the echo chamber if you don’t like getting called out.
You do have a point, it’s probably better to spend time on instances where people have the same disdain for facts that I do (none) as opposed to instances where people have a much higher disdain for facts, as evidenced by the fact that you’re allowed to run around telling blatant lies about people constantly.
Russia good, West bad. No further thought required.
Guys, I’m starting to think this trump fellow is a goddamned fucking moron whose evil is not limited to sexual assault and fraud.
I’m shocked, I tell you, just shocked.
I know you’re kidding but… Starting?
ok ya got me. (/s)
I think Trumps brain might be demolished, would you agree?
I mean, only more than it was in 2016. A lot more? Eh.
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he is a dumb man. he is a dumb man, i know him. i can tell you surely he is an excellent idiot. great idiot. bigly.
“If they made a bad deal it would’ve been much better. They would’ve given up a little bit and everybody would be living and every building would be built and every tower would be aging for another 2,000 years.”
Just a little appeasement, what would go wrong. Of course I can believe he’s fully unaware that Ukraine tried that twice already in the Minsk agreements.
Yeah, we should make him president…see what happens. He’s angry, just a little appeasement would help. We just gave up a good century of women’s rights and LGBTQ rights. We could start slavery again to hopefully have a good country again 🙏. What could go wrong. Right?
I WONDER WHY ITS DEMOLISHED, MAN IF ONLY WE KNEW.
jokes aside, this is to be expected from trump, nothing less from him is expected.
Who knew! If you think about it 🤔😜!
