• gradual@lemmings.world
    1·
    2 minutes ago

    Honestly, CSS is a fucking joke and its solely to blame for why centering something isn’t always straightforward.

    By the way, this picture is a crock of shit for people who aren’t programmers. Anyone who is a programmer will not take it seriously because programming is so much more about helping others instead of shaming them.

  • lobut@lemmy.ca
    8·
    3 hours ago

    I started with C++ and went to Java to .NET to Javascript and now to Terraform.

    I know this is all a joke but there’s something definitely different with the ones above and the ones below. There’s a bit of satisfaction you can get sometimes when you’re working with memory directly and getting faster feedback (yes, there’s more math back then and it wasn’t easy to look stuff up, for sure). However, there’s new challenges nowadays … there’s so many layers on top of layers. I feel as though Stack Overflow and ChatGPT are so needed because the error messages and things we give are obfuscated or unclear (not always any library author’s fault as there’s compatibility issues, etc)

    We’re doing serverless stuff at my current company and none of our devs run code locally. They have to upload it using CDK or Serverless Framework to run on the cloud. We don’t use SST so we can’t set breakpoints but like that’s a lot of crap inbetween just running your code already. Not even getting into the libraries and transpilers and stuff we use. I spent like a few weeks over Christmas to get our devs to run the code locally. Guess what? None of them use it because they’re so use to uploading it. I was like, "you can put breakpoints in it! you can have nodemon and it instant reloads! nope, none of them care … "

      • andioop@programming.devEnglish
        2·
        2 hours ago

        First learning is last learning.

        I’ll be the dumb one to ask: what do you mean? Is this that making a mistake that costs a lot is the best teacher, because you only have to mess it up once to learn it forever?

        • Arcane2077@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          2·
          52 minutes ago

          Pretty sure they mean people don’t learn something again when they already learned it. Once you learn how to do something, willingness to learn it again but a different way dries up, and so you stick to bad habits as long as they ‘work’

        • mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          34 minutes ago

          It’s a mantra about teaching people and then expecting them to forget it. Doesn’t work. They’ll default to what they already know.

          My freshman English teacher got married in October and I called her by her maiden name the entire year.

          Like all programming mantras, it’s not universally true, but it’s annoyingly reliable. It reflects the shape of the human brain.

  • applemao@lemmy.world
    3·
    3 hours ago

    I still want to get into coding the OG manual way (because I enjoy pain and disappointment apparently) but now it seems like a waste of time since vibe coders and 13 year olds already are lightyears ahead of me. Also I have no reason to learn it, all apps are already built xD

    • gradual@lemmings.world
      1·
      58 seconds ago

      all apps are already built

      Couldn’t be further from the truth. You also have to consider competition.

    • OldChicoAle@lemmy.world
      3·
      3 hours ago

      I’m in the same boat. I used to be an amateur front and back end web developer. Almost made a text based RPG in middle school. I had to stop when shit got crazy in high school and college, but I don’t feel like any programming is worth my time right now. I’m focusing on gardening and maybe some cooking. You know, human activities that we can still enjoy.

      • applemao@lemmy.world
        1·
        2 hours ago

        Yeahh exactly. AI has pretty much ruined computer based fun now. Which in some ways is good, we should all learn physical hobbies again and not be reliant on tech. I still enjoy my hobby desktop computers though, I just enjoy learning how it really works under the surface.

  • RogueBanana@lemmy.zipEnglish
    8·
    6 hours ago

    I can’t remember some syntax unless I do it at least 100 times. I often look up stuff that I have already done before and know because of my goldfish memory.

    • letsgo@lemm.eeEnglish
      5·
      3 hours ago

      Same way you did it in 2024 but it’s easier because the springgirdles have been replaced with rotated manglebrackets.

    • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
      8·
      8 hours ago

      Depends if you’re centering the div or the things in the div. Which has probably been the main issue since CSS was invented.

    • Rose@slrpnk.net
      15·
      10 hours ago

      If using plain CSS, usually it’s enough to set width appropriately, and margin-left and margin-right to auto.

      If using a Modern Frontend/CSS Framework, then may God have mercy on your poor soul.

      (Seriously I just started a new project with TailwindCSS and I’m so confused. But not entirely desperate yet.)

      • loics2@lemm.ee
        3·
        5 hours ago

        w-... mx-auto, replace the 3 dots with your desired width value, and that’s it with tailwind

        • toddestan@lemm.ee
          4·
          5 hours ago

          Generally I find many these frameworks will make some complicated things simple, but the cost is some things that were once simple are now complicated. They can be great if you just need the things they simplify - or in other words can stick to what they were intended for, but my favorite way of keeping things simple is to avoid using complicated and heavy frameworks.

        • Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          13·
          9 hours ago

          If you spend a lot of time on a single framework, you will transcend and become a sort of frontend diety, growing multiple extra limbs allowing you to type in CSS classes faster than any mere mortal

      • Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        2·
        9 hours ago

        I’m doing a small hobby project (a ladder/ranking system for playing beer sports with my community), and I tried out Tailwind.

        I gave up and loaded Bootstrap instead, but I will probably end up just writing all the CSS myself.

        Seems so silly to have 15 CSS classes on a single DOM element…

    • impedans@lemmy.world
      9·
      11 hours ago

      If you define what you mean by centering I’ll give you a straight answer.

      Vertically? Horizontally? Center the text or the entire box? Compared to the viewport, the parent container or the entire page?

      “Centering” isn’t as straight forward as you’d think, and what you actually want usually depends on the situation.

      • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        3·
        4 hours ago

        Fuck it, align=‘center’. That’ll center it horizontally relative to some context and if that’s not good enough then you should have been more precise in your request.

        • impedans@lemmy.world
          4·
          11 hours ago

          Yeah that works if you wanna center a box of content it relative to the parent container, either horizontally or vertically. For other situations we’ve got different tools

  • excral@feddit.org
    591·
    14 hours ago

    My experience is that the programmers from the first row very much still exist. My theory is that the number of programmers from the first row stayed the about same or even increased slightly. There are so many more so called “programmers” overall now, however, that in relation the first row programmers are much rarer now. And to be fair, you don’t need a programmer capable of programming entire games in assembly to center a div.

    • zerofk@lemm.ee
      25·
      14 hours ago

      And vice versa, you don’t need to know how to centre a div to create a game in assembler. I’m comfortable using pointers and managing memory, but don’t ask me to do anything with web UI.

      • Omgpwnies@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        5 hours ago

        This can be generalized to say that programming has become such a diverse profession that you will find experts in one area that know very little about others. There’s simply too many things that are programmed in too many ways for anyone to know it all anymore. Hell, that was the case in the 70’s and 80’s too.

      • ByteJunk@lemmy.world
        15·
        14 hours ago

        I’m guessing that someone who figured out how to keep a high score box centered on screen using assembly will figure it out to do it with CSS.

        The reverse, not so much…

        • groet@feddit.org
          6·
          13 hours ago

          But you dont what the code of the assembly-style centered div in your codebase. Because nobody will be able to read it and understand what it even does. There are abstraction specific ways to solve problems and the right way to do something in assembly is not the right way to do it in CSS.

          • Estradiol Enjoyer @lemmy.blahaj.zone
            6·
            12 hours ago

            Agreed, in my limited experience with both CSS is like the conceptual opposite of assembly. When I do web design I tell it what I want to look like but can’t see how it’s getting there because that’s done for me. Assembly is the lowest level of abstraction we’ve got and it took me ages to write a little program for class that returns an argument in it (Jasmin VM) and then get GCC to compile it.

            I would say that CSS is like doing an incantation that magically makes the site look good if you do it right, and assembly is like building something by hand.

    • state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      5·
      7 hours ago

      I first tried vi in the early 90s, before I had easy access to online resources. I had to open a new shell and kill the vi process to exit it. Next time I dialed into my usual BBS I asked how to exit that thing. But since then I’ve liked it, because vi has been on every system I ever ssh’ed into.

      • barsoap@lemm.ee
        2·
        6 hours ago

        You quit it just like you quit ed or ex, just that you have to enter the prompt (:) yourself as vi is not by default in prompt mode. And you should know ed, ed is the standard editor.

        I use Helix btw.

    • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
      81·
      13 hours ago

      I can exit Vim, it just feels like trying to rip out the dashboard and the interiors from a family car because race cars also lack them. Kate is a good speedy alternative to VSCode, not to mention it also does not have Microsoft’s greedy hands on it.

        • toddestan@lemm.ee
          1·
          5 hours ago

          Out of the box, Vim’s default configuration is very basic as it’s trying to emulate vi as close as possible. It like if you want things like headlights or a heater or a tachometer in your family car, you got to create a vimrc and turn those features on. That was my experience when I first started using Vim - I spent a lot of time messing around creating a vimrc until I got things the way I wanted.

          One of the big changes with Neovim is their default settings are a lot more like what you would expect in a modern text editor.

  • jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works
    34·
    17 hours ago

    QA: “Yeah, Hi. Can you look at this defect ticket?”

    Reading ticket details…

    Me: “Let me guess. Is [whatshisname] responsible for this?”

    QA: “Yeah.”

    Me: “Get him to fix it.”

    QA: “I tried. Like four times.”

    Me: Sigh “I’ll take care of it.”

    QA: “Thank you!”

    • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world
      5·
      4 hours ago

      Huh? Isn’t it like right there at the bottom of the screen?

      I guess not knowing that ^X means Control+X could be the issue, but still…

      • andioop@programming.devEnglish
        1·
        2 hours ago

        TIL!

        Can exit nano on my own, have the common sense to not call in a panic about it before at least looking it up. (Which is how I learned how to exit it: looking it up.) But was never taught about ^ meaning “Control+” until your comment, especially since nowadays people write it out as “Control+” or “CTRL+”.

        I might have put two and two together when dealing with everything else in nano after I learned to exit, but never really internalized the rule “^ means Control+”. So thank you for your comment!

        Disclaimer: I feel like I am too stupid for most of programming.dev but participate here anyways because I learn stuff from the comments.

    • lorty@lemmygrad.ml
      1·
      3 hours ago

      I mean, maybe it was just me but I had to search what the hell ^ meant in nano, but after that it was alright.

    • bufalo1973@lemm.ee
      4·
      11 hours ago

      Do you remember the “press any key to exit”? Someone asked where is the “any” key.

    • bisby@lemmy.worldEnglish
      67·
      19 hours ago

      Nano… Like… The one that has all the keybinds permanently shown at the bottom of the screen?

      • Zagorath@aussie.zone
        6·
        17 hours ago

        Read as in, with their eyes? Or how to ingest it into some other app/script? Cos I’m vaguely aware that awk can be used in some way for this, but wouldn’t have a clue how.

    • F04118F@feddit.nl
      9911·
      23 hours ago

      The majority of “programmers in the past” should be women actually, but our meme formats are still too patriarchal to express that in 2025.

      • merc@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        1 hour ago

        No, I don’t think so. It’s true that many of the earliest programmers were female, but there were very few of them, and that was a long time ago.

        In a way, Ada Lovelace was the first programmer, but she never even touched a computer. The first programmers who did anything similar to today’s programming were from Grace Hopper’s era in the 1950s.

        In the late 1960s there were a lot of women working in computer programming relative to the size of the field, but the field was still tiny, only tens of thousands globally. By the 1970s it was already a majority male profession so the number of women was already down to only about 22.5%.

        That means that for 50 years, a time when the number of programmers increased by orders of magnitude, the programmers were mostly male.

      • moomoomoo309@programming.devEnglish
        6·
        9 hours ago

        “Creates a whole game in assembly” is probably referring to roller coaster tycoon, which was written by a man. (lots of other games were written in asm, like many NES games, but I’d wager RCT was what they were alluding to)

        • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world
          2·
          4 hours ago

          That was my immediate thought. There were many that came before RCT, but it has the distinction of being (possibly) one of the last in an industry that had already moved on to higher-level languages to do merely half as much.

      • rtxn@lemmy.world
        401·
        23 hours ago

        We need to bring back 2010-2012 rage comic memes. All we needed was a badly cut-out blonde wig to trans Derp’s gender.

      • raman_klogius@ani.socialEnglish
        141·
        19 hours ago

        So were “computers”. It used to be a job, delegated mostly to women. The JD is doing calculations day in and day out.

      • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        22 hours ago

        The moon landing by hand wouldn’t have been as funny without the over the top body builders first.

      • reactionality@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        1041·
        23 hours ago

        “too patriarchal” no one was thinking of “furthering the goals of the patriarchy” or whatever your delusions tell you.

        It’s just people making memes, and most people who make memes who are guys will make memes with guys in them, because they identify with them the most.

        Your brain dead take is pure cancer.

        • F04118F@feddit.nl
          182·
          23 hours ago

          I agree with you: I never intended to imply explicit anti-diversity intentions or even awareness of the biases embedded in our culture.

          Implicit bias refers to the attitudes or stereotypes that affect our understanding, actions, and decisions in an unconscious manner. Implicit biases are activated involuntarily, unconsciously, and without one’s awareness or intentional control (see, e.g., Greenwald & Krieger, 2006; Kang, et al., 2012; Nier, 2005; Rudman, 2004a)

          Source

          • barsoap@lemm.ee
            71·
            19 hours ago

            The large initial percentage of female coders was due to computer having been a female job, because secretary was. Their role within companies didn’t change, what changed is that they were using machines to do the computing instead of doing it by hand.

            We’re kinda lucky to have the woke trifecta (Ada, Grace, Alan) (first programmer (woman), inventor of compilers (woman), absolute unit (gay)) to keep the chuds at bay. Even if we weren’t all socially inept nerds (or pretending to be so to bosses) there’s only so much you can do, culturally, if the population is growing exponentially. Uncle Bob (yes I know he’s a chud) did the maths at some point IIRC it was something like the number of programmers doubling every two years. Which also means that at any one point in time roughly 2/3rds of programmers have no idea what they’re doing, which explains the javascript ecosystem.

        • Kichae@lemmy.caEnglish
          96·
          21 hours ago

          Dude. Chill. Ain’t nobody giving a shit about your take on someone else’s take.

  • hope@lemmy.world
    127·
    23 hours ago

    I feel very confident in my understanding of random 8 bit CPUs and their support chips, but asking me to center a div is like this xkcd.

      • merc@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        53 minutes ago

        One reason is that tar supports both traditional style args “tar tf <filename.tar>” and unix-style args “tar -tf <filename.tar>” but there are subtle differences in how they work.

      • qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website
        6·
        21 hours ago

        It is “backwards” from some other commands — usually you run copy/rsync/link from source to destination, but with tar the destination (tarball) is specified before the source (directory/files).

        That, and the flags not needing dashes always just throws me for a loop.

        And the icing on the cake is that I don’t use tar for tarring that often, so I lose all muscle memory (untaring a tgz or tar.bz2 is frequent enough that I can usually get that right at least…).

        • Ethan@programming.devEnglish
          2·
          18 hours ago

          I almost never create a tarball, so I have to look up the syntax for that. Which is as simple as man tar. But as far as extracting it almost couldn’t be easier, tar xf <tarball> and call it a day. Or if you want to list the contents without extracting, tar tf <tarball>. Unless you’re using an ancient version of tar, it will detect and handle whatever compression format you’re using without you having to remember if you need z or J or whatever.

      • Eager Eagle@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        19 hours ago

        I got tired of looking up the options for each possible combination of archiving + compression, so today I have a “magic” bash function that can extract almost any format.

        Then for compressing, I only use zip, which doesn’t need any args other than the archive name and the thing you’re compressing. It needs -r when recursing on dirs, but unlike “eXtract” and “Ze”, that’s a good mnemonic.

  • Lemminary@lemmy.world
    35·
    20 hours ago

    Hey buddy, if I fix one bug and cause three more, it’s called job security. Where’s my medal?