I wonder what all of his Protestant Evangelical backers think of this.
My eschatology is a bit rusty, but I think this is the type of thing that they thought the Antichrist would do. But maybe that’s why the evangelicals back him, thinking the rapture is just around the corner…
(Or maybe, the “rapture” is happening right now, except instead of the chosen, worthy people being disappeared to Heaven, they’re all being disappeared to El Salvador. The joke’s on all those evangelicals, I guess. Ha.)
Edited to add: Doesn’t “El Salvador” literally translate to “The Savior”? Kidnapping the innocent and whisking them to “The Savior”, never to be seen again, definitely tracks.
100% agreed on the pseudo-theology. Left Behind is a terrible series.
I just find it funny, because he acts like Carpathia. Like, Carpathia is characterized as smart and charismatic, but nothing in the writing backs that up - it relies heavily on some sort of magical attraction. Which is got to be the only way that you can explain how conservative Christians who have spent the last 50 years shrieking about sexual morality have latched onto this guy like he’s the Second Coming if you believe any of this shit. (The real answer of course, is that opposition to LGBT people was on the whole not religiously motivated, just “we don’t like the icky people.”)
Heresy then?
It’s a biblical interpretation framework based on giving theological significance to the order of the books in the Bible, ignoring previous history of theology and history of the formation of the Bible.
Theology is one the oldest sciences, it has Method; Dispensationalism throws it away and does it’s own thing.
The question I think is the Protestant vs Catholic orthodoxy versus orthopraxy. Discarding works. Often not caring about following rules - you just tearfully apologize and say you’ve talked about it with Jesus. Jim Baker is the name that springs to mind immediately, but if you asked me to compile a list of similar hypocrites it would be encyclopedic level work.
A big thing too is that practice and theology have never been married. If Christ has been the Church’s bridegroom - I can’t think of any Church that can really claim to have been faithful. Certain types of people just get their sins overlooked. Trump exemplifies that - the Mark Driscoll disgustingly misogynistic style pastors that haunt every small town in the Midwest, where rape is an inconvenience and “WIVES SELL PUSSY FOR LIFE” in the words of “Yeezus.”
The Catholic Church exemplifies this in its failure to adequately address the sexual abuse crises and at times active cover up (what did Jesus say about millstones?) There’s also the Magdalene Laundries, the burning of basically all Mayan literature, and so on…
So blah blah blah - the point being - when have the people being called Christian really cared about what the darn book even says? We talk here as if Christianity is not for them more of a weird ethnocultural idea, with something akin more to our most primitive instincts to group and out group?
“Christianity” that I have interacted with has always been this strange distortion. This post Scofield and Darby distortion. So many atheists think the gotcha on the rules matters to many of them - it doesn’t.
But I think there’s a difference between corrupt hypocrites not practicing a “reasonable” theology, and a corrupt theology supporting a corrupt practice.
There are those that care, but the nature of actually following it means doing it quietly and without seeking recognition.
Sure, call it heresy. But the Pope called Martin Luther a heretic, too, and yet that didn’t stop people from believing that he might have been on to something.
If someone believes something deeply, whether or not it is batshit crazy, who am I to tell them they’re wrong? If it is that bonkers, I will just write them off as a crackpot and let them be.
Can’t wait until he and Bibi team up to build the new Temple, and freedom loving patriots sign up to get their Neurolink chip in their right hand or forehead…
“Evangelical”, when I was a kid, meant “racist who is mega devoted to the Bible and goes to church twice a week, and maybe doesn’t apply enough critical thinking to what the preacher says.” They’d know Bible quotes, ask themselves what Jesus would do, and although I completely disagreed with them and fled the state I lived in ASAP, they were coming from a sincere place.
Evangelical", today, is purely a statement of political alignment with MAGA. Most don’t even go to church. They’re literally willing to worship a golden idol.
I wonder what all of his Protestant Evangelical backers think of this.
My eschatology is a bit rusty, but I think this is the type of thing that they thought the Antichrist would do. But maybe that’s why the evangelicals back him, thinking the rapture is just around the corner…
(Or maybe, the “rapture” is happening right now, except instead of the chosen, worthy people being disappeared to Heaven, they’re all being disappeared to El Salvador. The joke’s on all those evangelicals, I guess. Ha.)
Edited to add: Doesn’t “El Salvador” literally translate to “The Savior”? Kidnapping the innocent and whisking them to “The Savior”, never to be seen again, definitely tracks.
Just to note: these books are heavily based on dispensationalist pseudo-theology.
But I agree that trump is an Antichrist
100% agreed on the pseudo-theology. Left Behind is a terrible series.
I just find it funny, because he acts like Carpathia. Like, Carpathia is characterized as smart and charismatic, but nothing in the writing backs that up - it relies heavily on some sort of magical attraction. Which is got to be the only way that you can explain how conservative Christians who have spent the last 50 years shrieking about sexual morality have latched onto this guy like he’s the Second Coming if you believe any of this shit. (The real answer of course, is that opposition to LGBT people was on the whole not religiously motivated, just “we don’t like the icky people.”)
Thank you for this link; it has made my day immeasurably more entertaining.
Fred Clark is the kind of Christian that got me out of my “angry Reddit atheist” phase. He’s a great writer.
Agree. But, is dispensationalism really “pseudo-theology” if people believe it?
Heresy then?
It’s a biblical interpretation framework based on giving theological significance to the order of the books in the Bible, ignoring previous history of theology and history of the formation of the Bible.
Theology is one the oldest sciences, it has Method; Dispensationalism throws it away and does it’s own thing.
The question I think is the Protestant vs Catholic orthodoxy versus orthopraxy. Discarding works. Often not caring about following rules - you just tearfully apologize and say you’ve talked about it with Jesus. Jim Baker is the name that springs to mind immediately, but if you asked me to compile a list of similar hypocrites it would be encyclopedic level work.
A big thing too is that practice and theology have never been married. If Christ has been the Church’s bridegroom - I can’t think of any Church that can really claim to have been faithful. Certain types of people just get their sins overlooked. Trump exemplifies that - the Mark Driscoll disgustingly misogynistic style pastors that haunt every small town in the Midwest, where rape is an inconvenience and “WIVES SELL PUSSY FOR LIFE” in the words of “Yeezus.”
The Catholic Church exemplifies this in its failure to adequately address the sexual abuse crises and at times active cover up (what did Jesus say about millstones?) There’s also the Magdalene Laundries, the burning of basically all Mayan literature, and so on…
So blah blah blah - the point being - when have the people being called Christian really cared about what the darn book even says? We talk here as if Christianity is not for them more of a weird ethnocultural idea, with something akin more to our most primitive instincts to group and out group?
“Christianity” that I have interacted with has always been this strange distortion. This post Scofield and Darby distortion. So many atheists think the gotcha on the rules matters to many of them - it doesn’t.
It’s like arguing with a Dallas Cowboys fan.
Yes, certainly!
But I think there’s a difference between corrupt hypocrites not practicing a “reasonable” theology, and a corrupt theology supporting a corrupt practice.
There are those that care, but the nature of actually following it means doing it quietly and without seeking recognition.
Sure, call it heresy. But the Pope called Martin Luther a heretic, too, and yet that didn’t stop people from believing that he might have been on to something.
If someone believes something deeply, whether or not it is batshit crazy, who am I to tell them they’re wrong? If it is that bonkers, I will just write them off as a crackpot and let them be.
That’s all from those books, right? I haven’t read them.
But I do know that Trump likes Golden Toilets, and has made his own crypto shitcoin. So maybe he is the Shitty Antichrist?
He’s already got a few golden statues.
It’s not like he’s shared AI videos of his imagined Gaza resort.
Can’t wait until he and Bibi team up to build the new Temple, and freedom loving patriots sign up to get their Neurolink chip in their right hand or forehead…
Why is he a hobbit in that statue?
Kender are a more apt comparison. No Proudfoot would ever.
The Left Behind books? Sounds like it.
Their Antichrist is hotter than the IRL version.
“Evangelical”, when I was a kid, meant “racist who is mega devoted to the Bible and goes to church twice a week, and maybe doesn’t apply enough critical thinking to what the preacher says.” They’d know Bible quotes, ask themselves what Jesus would do, and although I completely disagreed with them and fled the state I lived in ASAP, they were coming from a sincere place.
Evangelical", today, is purely a statement of political alignment with MAGA. Most don’t even go to church. They’re literally willing to worship a golden idol.