cross-posted from: https://lemmy.crimedad.work/post/542998
“It does suck, because everybody kind of makes fun of the Cybertruck. To the outside person, it’s kind of weird, it’s ugly, whatever. Once you actually get in it, drive it, you realize it’s pretty frickin’ cool,” he says. “It’s kind of been sad, because I’ve been trying to prove to people that it’s a really awesome truck that’s not falling apart, and then mine starts to fall apart, so it’s just… Yeah, it’s kind of unfortunate and sad.”
Ah, Spring. When the Swasticars shed their winter coats…
It’s going through puberty obviously
The fuck is this website ?
Toughest truck ever built, bullet proof, yada yada yada.
Well apparently it’s not even wind proof. 🤣🤣🤣
If the in-car cameras don’t see you do Heil Hitler before every ride, they will occasionally instruct the computer to drop parts of the car. That is a standard feature. If you do the V sign, it will engage autopilot and crash you into the nearest wall. Pro-tip: if you want to do some sort of anti-nazi activity in your Cybershit, do it in winter, or early spring, as the “truck” can’t do fuck, as the wheels don’t work on snow or mud.
the trim piece that flew off of his truck is connected to a plastic frame bolted directly to the car; that trim piece, he says, is stuck to the frame with adhesive rather than welded or bolted to anything. That adhesive has seemingly failed in multiple places on his truck, leading to the loosened roofline trim panels.
How the hell is that thing legal to sell??
It’s not over here in the UK. They’re not road legal.
There’s a reason why Musk is paying to dismantle the government.
There’s a reason why the EU won’t allow the sale of cybertrucks and it all has to do with
build quality andsafety.Edit: strikethrough added based on incorrect assumption as pointed out below
I thought it was purely due to inadequate rounding of angles on the body due to stricter pedestrian safety laws that the EU has. Does the EU have some kind of build quality testing and standard that the cybertruck failed?
I actually didn’t quite remember the reason, so I checked it. The rounding is one main reason and the fact it is so heavy it requires a drivers license for trucks, as well as basically no demand. So no build quality requirements failed, but definitely safety related.
There’s no consumer protection agency anymore. I wonder why.
I worked at the Tesla plant in Fremont for a bit and most of every car is held together with adhesive. They claim it’s super strong and once heated, it’s stronger than welding… But, I mean… They are still falling apart and I don’t know if that’s because the adhesive sucks or if it’s because every single day, they had to have someone remind everyone that the glue pattern posted at every station where it’s applied isn’t just a suggestion, it’s an engineering requirement for the structural integrity of the part. People were just slapping the adhesive onto shit in any old way they pleased a lot of the time.
Essentially every car has a windshield and trim attached only by adhesive, and has for decades. This ought to be a solved problem.
Is that trim piece steel? Maybe something about the material, usually they’re gluing on plastic trim pieces. They’re relying on heated adhesive but it’s a long skinny piece made of a material that conducts heat?
they had to have someone remind everyone that the glue pattern posted at every station where it’s applied isn’t just a suggestion, it’s an engineering requirement for the structural integrity of the part. People were just slapping the adhesive onto shit in any old way they pleased a lot of the time.
In other words, the things were being designed by underqualified engineers who didn’t understand factors of safety, design for manufacturability, or that precision comes at a cost.
I suspect the real issue is the workers aren’t given enough time on the line to do this correctly so they just churn them out to hit the needed metric knowing it will fail after being delivered to the owner.
it’s stronger than welding
(X) to doubt
Adhesives can be incredibly strong.
But never a weld.
MEK welds styrene. Cynocrylate forms a mechanical bond. MEK will be stronger in tension, cyno stronger in shear.
Good ole methyl ethyl ketone.
Dropped a rubber boot in a vat of it once to see what would happen.
No idea why, but it came out much larger/expanded.
Fun fact, you can shrink barbie doll heads in acetone.
I don’t even know the name of the adhesive they used. I do know that it was made by 3M and that it’s orange.
Well, OK. So maybe that adhesive is stronger than a weld on that particular plastic. Of course, if you’re talking about adhering a plastic to a metal you cannot weld it so Elmer’s would be “stronger than a weld”. But whatever’s going on it’s not adequate.
E: and actually welding plastic together typically isn’t that strong, a mechanical bond can easily be stronger than melting the plastic to weld it.
Adhesive binding can be significantly stronger than mechanical bonding when done right.
…when done right. Yeah. Guess where I’m putting my money.
Odds the pace of the line is too fast to do it right?
Cuz 'Murica!
Adhesives are used everywhere on cars, especially on trim pieces. But you have to prep the parts, which could mean sanding and scuffing, cleaning with solvents, or even (on larger parts) flame or plasma treatment.
What. The. Fuck…
Are we taking lessons from Samsung now? I mean are they serious? Adhesive for car parts?!
Well gee, as long as car exteriors don’t experience extreme heating/cooling cycles on a daily basis, then adhesive should work just fine. Oh wait.
It’s like they wanted this vehicle to fail.
Adhesive is fairly common in cars now. Some higher end cars are held together almost entirely with adhesives that bond carbon tubs to the frame.
That being said, they’re obviously not using it correctly or in the right circumstances on the cybercuck. What a piece of shit.
industrial adhesive exists and is pretty strong.
I still wouldn’t use it on a car.
They should have used dutch tape instead.
There’s nothing wrong with adhesive. My car window shade things are attached via adhesive.
However, if it is not an extra attachment, shouldn’t they be clipped in somehow?
I think I know why too - because they are pieces of shit that are poorly constructed.
If you haven’t seen the clip, watch the guy that shuts the door kinda hard but not crazy and it no longer opens. Find me another vehicle like that - don’t worry, I’ll wait.
Geez that’s actually awful.
I really have no idea why anyone would buy one of these pieces of shit other than hype and clout.
Haha thank you for sharing that
Was that a Citroen?
No it was from the British Leyland challenge.
Well that about explains the build quality lol
Ok. I couldn’t see the front emblem clearly.
it just flew off while driving
Lol
Because the truck is embarrassed, it’s trying to mask itself
As someone who isn’t a car guy, this is a legit question: Do other manufacturers also glue panels onto plastic parts?
That doesn’t seem like something that would be the norm but maybe I’m clueless.
Yeah it’s pretty common for mostly or entirely adhesive to be used for attaching plastic trim panels. Just needs proper engineering and construction that can be verified to withstand the needed stress after endless temperature and humidity cycles. My first guess as to the issue here is either it just wasn’t manufactured well because they’re all made by underpaid, undertrained and overworked non-union workers or because the engineers didn’t properly account for thermal cycling given how unbearably hot I’m sure stainless steel gets in the sun. (I’m sure the steel parts and the plastic parts also expand and contract significantly different amounts due to heat as well, further stressing the adhesive joints)
Work for a somewhat expensive automotive brand and yes it is very common. We have cars from $60k to over $400k and beyond, and they all are glued together everywhere you look, that or plastic clips, very little is actually bolted on. Sometimes because in a crash it is better that a piece breaks and fly’s off then to stay mounted to the car, and in (most) other cases, probably for cost reasons. But it is a common thing, and has been for a long while, and if executed right, it is tried and true, however if you don’t have good quality control and workers who don’t care, they’re not gonna mount pieces right, and create a hazard
Yes, and many planes and jets are glued together too. This isn’t your cheap school glue. That said, Tesla’s good at fucking up, so who knows what they did wrong. Probably everything.
They used Elmers because Xelon saw it and thought it said Elons Glue… and then he ate some. I say ‘some’ but I really meant a few gallons, and that’s why he carries around a chainsaw.
People are saying yes, but that seems bonkers to me. I’ve done some extensive repairs for the last two cars I’ve owned (a Honda and a Toyota), as well as for my mom’s Volvo, and I’ve certainly never encountered adhesives to attach any parts. In my experience it’s always hex bolts or plastic clips. I’ll admit I don’t love those plastic clips, they probably break 1/4 of the time when you remove them, but they seem perfectly reliable when they’re in.
But hey, like I said, I haven’t been servicing any American cars, so who knows, maybe it’s used all the time. Maybe yesterday’s bad ideas are today’s tried and true best practices.
The rear spoiler thing on my hatchback trunk is starting to peel and I thought it would be easy to remove and repaint myself. But I was surprised to learn it’s just glued on. But it’s just a trim piece of plastic with a brake light and a fluid nozzle in it. Not a body panel per se.
Edolf Muskler’s swastikars are self-yeeting out of shame and anxiety at having been built by a corporation owned and run by an unapologetic Nazi. I would, too.
Lmao
@CrimeDad SPOILER: They are moulting.
