I mean, I’d be pretty mad if I asked for bread and he brought home a beagle too. I’m not using a dog for sandwiches.

Okay, but if I told the bf to get bread on the way home, and he got donuts instead, we’re breaking up

Where do you live that bread is sweet and greasy?

Where do you work? I need to find out if your employer is a zionist before I listen to what you have to say.

Here’s a similar case from last year, if you’re asking for court precedents. ICE was arresting people using an administrative warrant and not an arrest warrant, and it was ruled unconstitutional.

https://www.aclusocal.org/en/press-releases/court-rules-against-ice-knock-and-arrests

Your entire argument has been “lets not get angry, maybe ICE is allowed to do this”. That’s not being measured, that’s defending ICE.

If you don’t think I’m wrong, why are you defending ICE here?

my interpretation is they had paperwork to arrest in a public venue

Incorrect. An administrative warrant gives no grounds for an arrest, it authorizes fact-finding only.

The legality of that action is what’s in question.

What law do you think allows ICE to dictate what exits to use?

I need to know if they have broke any laws by doing so.

Yes? The whole point is that they had the wrong paperwork and were not legally allowed to arrest the guy whose case the judge was presiding over.

To put on my own conspiracy hat for a moment, he’s getting set up to be the fall guy. He’s following a playbook he didn’t write, the people that did write Project 2025 know how unpopular it will be, and the final play is setting trump up as the tyrant to be deposed by a real dictator. Sure hope I’m wrong.

Okay, I’ll hear you out. What details do you need clarified to be concerned that ICE is interrupting court to arrest people?

Okay, so as a teenager I was a super nerd and got into swords. I took olympic style fencing lessons first, then got into the ren faire and also did some stage combat. Sadly, I have health problems and I couldn’t keep my knees in place, and had to quit. The difference between those is probably the same difference between WWE style wrestling, and BJJ. One is done with choreography, one is a competition.

They’re both sports. I don’t understand why people think the choreography somehow means it doesn’t have skills or rules? It was the same skillset, different rules. Stage combat was unpadded and used heavier weapons that left more bruises when we fucked up the choreography. They’re different, sure, but the amount of overlap is underappreciated.

Because they need to sell papers?

It was just the “goal” aesthetic I was trying to meet as a young woman. So many of my classmates developed an eating disorder or just started using drugs because the “strung out supermodel” look was what everybody wanted.

Its just a precursor carrying the same message kids are gettimg today. That you’re worthless if you don’t look the right way, and you should hurt yourself to look the right way.

Laptops should last longer than 3-5 years too. It should go without saying, but this is the internet.

It’s from a federal law passed under the Bush administration, tying funding to standardized testing scores.

But it was bipartisan, so you’re not wrong.

It’s honestly wild to me that people in my age bracket can grow up with heroin chic, and think it somehow just vanished into the ether. I don’t know why it’s so hard for them to understand that kids are just getting hit with an evolved form of the same bullshit message that you’re worthless if you don’t fit a specific aesthetic.

Gotta love how many self-identified leftists we have that are actually confused authoritarians.

If capitalists didn’t value the accumulation of wealth over consumption, they’d be in favor of wage increases. If they really did want us to consume more, they’d let us have more money to spend, knowing it’s going back into their pockets.

This is also colored by my experiences being homeless when the avocado toast thing was going around. I didn’t have regular internet access, so I don’t remember seeing the memes and media against it, but I do remember how regular society grabbed onto it and ran. I remember hearing avocado toast jokes about me from the people behind me in line when I was using food stamps, and that just strikes me as something that wouldn’t happen if the ruling class actually valued consumption.

That doesn’t track though. Consumption is just a vehicle for the accumulation of wealth, and is easily wielded as a weapon once it stops being effective. Like, if they were truly in favor of consumption, the whole avocado toast thing would have been encouraged instead.