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I feel like Lemmy is starting to have a real problem with houlier-than-thou posting.
Life is fucking shit, if people want to cope through that with a little recreational drug use, let them enjoy that small pleasure. If you don’t want to vape, more power to you, just don’t act like it makes you better than them.
It’s just a joke based on a stereotype. It’s not that deep.
My bad, I was talking about comments in the thread, nit the meme itself.
I once insinuated that I hated the smell of vapes and people downvoted me, saying “noooo but blueberry muffin flavour actually smells so goooood”
Yeah okay buddy, I think you’re one of the ones I’d find wandering the streets vaping in front of everyone
Edit: to the people currently downvoting me, you guys do know vaping can also give you cancer and increases your risk of respiratory disease, right? And by vaping in front of other people you’re forcing that risk on to them, right? Grow a little empathy
i really don’t care what you put in your body of your own volition, whether legal or not. go for it, i’m not in a place to look down on you. but just don’t make me breathe in your vape cloud. I smoke and I will only smoke in private or amongst people who smoke with me, or who have given me an explicit thumbs up to smoke near them. to do otherwise would be douchy.
There is no direct evidence vaping causes cancer.
The main components of vape juice are polyene glycol and vegetable glycerin. Both of which are completely benign and added into many every day products. And before vaping nicotine was a thing, it has been used as a safe drug delivery method for decades.
To say there’s no direct evidence is disingenuous. Yes, there are no peer reviewed articles that directly correlate vaping and cancer chance, but guess what there also isn’t? Studies that say they’re safe
The reason for this is simple: there’s about a 14 year delay between any smoking changes and lung cancer presenting itself. Extrapolate that to three trials, and you’re looking at minimum 50 years before it can hit shelves
What is known about vapes is that they contain many of the same carcinogens found in cigarettes, which should be a red flag to most people
What is known about vapes is that they contain many of the same carcinogens found in cigarettes, which should be a red flag to most people
Not true at all. Vapes don’t contain any known carcinogens.
According to cancer.org.au
For example, propylene glycol and glycerine found in e-cigarettes when overheated can produce dangerous levels of the carcinogens formaldehyde and acetaldehyde.
And it was found the study ran the batteries in an unsafe manner, as in no one would use their vape like that because they had to go around the safeties.
This is a blanket statement that doesn’t really mean anything
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It is highly unlikely one study would do this (purposefully put their patients in danger)
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It is even more unlikely that this study would continue without being retracted
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It is unfathomably unlikely that all other studies on the matter would do the same thing and agree on the results
I guess the biggest problem here is that I never mentioned a specific study, and neither did you.
If you want a good report on the matter, check out: National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine; Health and Medicine Division; Board on Population Health and Public Health Practice; Committee on the Review of the Health Effects of Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems; Eaton DL, Kwan LY, Stratton K, editors. Public Health Consequences of E-Cigarettes. Washington (DC): National Academies Press (US); 2018 Jan 23. 5, Toxicology of E-Cigarette Constituents. Available from: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507184/
An interesting exert from it is the following:
Compounds not listed on labels also have been identified in e-liquids. Several hazardous compounds have been found in liquids and in the heated aerosol produced by e-cigarettes, including formaldehyde, acetaldehyde, and acrolein, which are known carcinogenic toxicants.
Edit: ah yes, the classic “I can’t think of any way to rebuke what they said so I’m just going to downvote them because I can’t add anything meaningful to the discussion, but I’m still convinced I’m right”
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There are people that are addicted to a drug the government will not regulate because they are taxing the shit out of the addicted. Grow a little empathy.
Especially for the vapers because they allready diminish the harm to them and others. The exoust fumes of the car beside you are many more times dangerous than the passive vape you could inhale.
I’m specifically calling out people who downvoted me for saying I don’t like the smell of vapes
I’m honestly with you, I think cigarette and vape sales should be criminalised, smokers are being taken advantage of both by the government and the smoko sellers
ah yes let’s do a prohibition 2.0 because why not. especially when the fascists are in power
This might be hard to believe, but I’m one of the dozens of people who don’t live in the US
regardless of where you’re from, criminalizing drug use leads to people dying. it’s been a fucking disaster in any country it’s been implemented
Where did I ever say I wanted to criminalise drug use?
where are people gonna buy cigs if you ban them? the black market. who’s gonna go to prison over it? marginalized people. this is already reality in authoritarian countries
This is true, but it’s so much better than walking through cig smoke, or smelling that shit in someone’s car, or the nightmare of walking into someone’s house that has tar all over the walls and furniture because they smoke in the house.
I’ll take mass replacement of cigs with vape any day.
It’s better poison, but it’s still poison -A former vaper…vapist?
Why do smokers of all kinds have to smoke right in front of the door of every fucking building?
Because they’re selfish inconsiderate pricks who can’t fathom how disgusting they truly are.
Because that tiny overhang is the only goddamn shade/rain shelter in this entire city block. People love designating “that spot over there” as the smoking spot but hate putting any sort of shelter from the elements.
So? Whoever brought the cigarettes should bring a jacket or umbrella too.
That spot “over there” is so the smelly smoke can also stay “over there” and not end up in the lungs of healthy people.
Go get wet fucker, I give no fucks, you chose to smoke not me.
I also give no fucks, so here we are.
“I don’t care about your comfort (and your health a little, but its your choice)”
“Well I don’t care about your health(or your comfort, but its my choice), so here we are.”
I swear to god I am going to carry a fucking bucket of water from now on
Where the fuck do I light one up then, your holy highness?
Any place where you don’t force your smoke upon people who have no choice about being there. It’s not that hard: Don’t make your smoking anybody else’s problem.
Or, if this is more your style of communicating: Up your ass.
In the trash where you belong
Exhibit number #62049 of lemmings having the most insane fucking takes to ever grace the information superdumpster
Every smoker I’ve met gets very defensive about “why can’t I breathe my toxic fumes on everyone else?? What’s the big deal?? And then they get so mad when I litter like get over yourself”
Smoking in public is indefensible. There are smoking cessation programs.
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I don’t think the fumes from vaping are especially safe or welcome, either. At least there’s no littering, though
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It’s called public space for a reason. Your logic is completely inverted. I get a right to the air as much as you, don’t like it --> fuck off somewhere else, better yet don’t leave the house
A lot of them also vape in the building when they think they won’t get caught
Who cares, it doesn’t even smell like anything, let alone in the ballpark of cigs
I am more annoyed by stinky heavy perfumes. Let’s tell people who enter buildings smelling like whole periodic table to think about their life.
I am routinely pinching my nose with my fingers near them and staring but they rarely get the memo.
Nothing worse when someone enters on 0 floor and you smell C16H14O2 on the tenth
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On one hand you guys argue “it’s just water vapor”, on another, you’re claiming it’s so addictive you can’t even take a shit without taking a puff?
Also, weird admission lol. Do you eat lunch in the bathroom too?
Sounds like you have a nicotine one, so it’s basically still second hand smoke
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My comment was based on the parallels which can be drawn between so desperately needing a nicotine “hit”, that you’re doing it in the least hygenic location, and the similarity with hardcore druggies who snort drugs off the toilet lid, because they can’t wait a few hours…
It’s further supported by the fact that you’ve flooded this comment 4x, in a way that suggests this isn’t the first time it has been suggested you have a problem… In fact, if anything, it seems you’re trying to justify others being forced to breathe small amounts of nicotine by suggesting everyone has a drug problem anyway.
Your comment not only has nothing supporting it, but, despite the attempt, doesn’t affect me at all honestly. I run a free hiking group, and the ratings for me as a guide/person are good. I’ve had maybe a grand total of 3 or 4 glasses of drinks this entire year honestly during special occasions, and most events I go to, nobody even drinks anymore (I’m also trying to lose more weight, and alcohol doesn’t help with that).
Just remember, in 20 years time (possibly when you have cancers discovered to be common with vaping years from now) you’ll never look back at vaping and think it was worthwhile. You need to ask yourself if they’ve ever made your life better, or whether they’ve made tobacco shops lives better only…
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I won’t be responding again, but you seriously need to consider mental help.
I’m not sure what else you have going on, but there is clearly a lot happening. You clearly need more hobbies or something
Seriously, go join a Meetup, go hiking, etc
You don’t need nicotine to relax. You just need something to distract you. And that’s coming from someone who used to stress every night…
The way you’re responding is a serious concern that makes you sound like a suicide risk honestly. Maybe you need a change of environment
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As someone who does vape, I can tell you for a fact it does leave a residue. It takes a LONG time to build up, and even then it’s only really noticeable on transparent things like glass, but it’s a pain to clean off without specific cleaners. Otherwise it looks perpetually smeared. Best to avoid it so the employees don’t have to guess why their windows won’t clean right.
Well to be honest if it was perfectly acceptable it would lose its flavour. Sometimes we just do things we can get away with and that’s the whole charm. Make it commonplace smoke clouds everywhere and it’s just lame
Legalise weed and suddenly it is not that fun because avoiding the police was the whole half of the charm
Make illegal to drink water and suddenly everyone is over hydrated
It’s just such a feeling to do things you technically are forbidden. Some kind of intoxicating drug in itself. I don’t even like incest but it’s so taboo that it becomes extremely hot hence the certain indie game popularity
We love the forbidden
Sometimes I even think communist regime coming back wouldn’t be that bad because we could have the pleasure of personal rebellion. Voting is pleasurable and all but it doesn’t pack the same punch.
I am very jealous of Americans in 2025. Me here, I already live in as perfect country as it gets so it’s hard to find a good thing to protest but you have a prime opportunity over and over from BLM to other things.
Well one can always annoy Chinese 🇨🇳 gov dogs as they seem to feel a bit too comfortable online lately
