Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Opinion polls don’t reflect anything but how a non-representative subset of the population who have enough time on their hands to be interested in filling out polls respond to the specific question on the poll, which is often very carefully worded in an attempt to elicit a particular answer.
Blindly loving your country is an immature stance anyway. It implies you’re willing to overlook its faults rather than fixing them.
If you think that’s a rebuttal to my take, better start rereading.
Jesus christ, we’re still polling on values like nationalistic pride? Don’t get me wrong, we’re not doing awesome right now, but fervent, aimless pride in the piece of rock I was born on isn’t something I value.
Actually, after reading the article: the collective response for “I have a deep emotional attachment to my country” and “I am attached to my country as long as it continues to provide a decent quality of life” was 84% in 1991, and is 81% as of the most recent poll. People are just substantially more inclined to agree with the latter. So we’ve moved away from blind, fervent nationalism, and instead recognize that the goal of the state should be to provide a good quality of life for it’s citizens, and agree that Canada is doing a good job of this.
…fucking good? Nationalism is down, and satisfaction with our country remains the same. This is a win, and it’s kind of insulting that the headline, and discussion here, tries to suggest otherwise.
Miss the point some more. Patriotism/Nationalism is directly related to whether or not there’s any regard for the government, federal in particular. That’s gone. You are a direct result of the “post national state” someone wanted to build. You wanna know what happens when nationalism really tanks? YOu get guys like me that could seriously care less if the states took over tommorow, one eastern bullshit federal government is the same as another
I’m believe your the one who has missed the point. The data provided is being misinterpreted to suggest that Canadians are in some way disgusted by their country. A closer look at the data reveals that this is not true. They just believe that the state is responsible to them, rather than the other way around. Again, the percentage of people who value their country has not changed much, so it’s not “Canada” that anyone is upset with.
I’m not sure why you feel so strongly about attaching your personal value to a national identity. You are more than the piece of dirt you were born on. You don’t need to attach your entire conceptualization of self to the happenstance of your birth.
This whole self-loathing thing seems like something you should be looking inward to fix, not something you should be looking to your government to fix for you.
Canadians are disgusted by their country, go talk to some. I’m gonna give the rest of that the respect it deserves by ignoring it.
Anyone who’s not at least a bit disgusted by their own country needs to learn more about their country’s history.
Fuck the Catholic Church and old Canadian governments creating boarding school for indigenous people! It’s impossible to be blindly proud of Canada, but it’s still an awesome country.
No. It isn’t. I don;t know why it is so hard to distinguish that the country is the government, The people are just people.
Because that’s simply not true. A country is not its government. Look at literally any revolution in the entirety of human history and that’s an obvious fact. The peoples, the cultures, the social norms that give a country the distinct feel that defines what it is survives beyond any given government.
The Canadian government works for, or at least is supposed to work for, Canada. It is not Canada in of itself. I’m so sorry that you feel so disenfranchised that you seem to believe otherwise, but we collectively decide what out country is. No elected official gets to decide it for us.
This one is. We don’t even have a culture, they made sure of that.
Oh come on get over that. We should not feel bad for what others have done. I hate this B’s of we must be shamed for what the past has done.
What’s to be proud of? The fact I have to wait three years to see certain medical specialists currently? Or the past of genocide and racism?
I waited 2.5 years for a surgery once, showed up, it was cancelled, they referred me to another guy, showed up, he gave me a steroid injection, said i should have been getting those every three months for the last 2.5 years and refused to schedule another appointment in 3 months.
What province and when?
BC years ago
Really makes you wanna belt out o canada!
Sometimes I think Trudeau has such a hard on for gun control because he realized he’s the first PM who is gonna need american style security till he’s an old, old man. Every other PM just kinda slid back into normal life but he’s not gonna have that privilege. Can’t think of anyone pissed the public off to this degree in Canadian politics since his dear old dad.
Do you not remember Harper? That man was/is despised outside of Canada almost as much as in it.
I remember him clearly, Preston Manning, Stockwell Day, Brian Mulroney. Even the most unpopular of the three never earned himself that visceral, down to the bone hatred in a ridiculous number of people. The odd “Stop Harper” sticker on traffic signs vs a whole country awash in “Fuck Trudeau” flags. They’re even common in the lower mainland of BC. More to the point, like Jean Chretien and Paul Martin, and Harper too, they needed minimal security for a short period of time, if at all, after leaving office.
I mean, lower mainland of BC is full of religious rednecks. Particular pockets aren’t much different than rural Alberta.
The other 3 never had to contend with the hyper-polarizing brainwashing machine that is Facebook and other social media platforms. That’s the difference.
Man, all you have to do is watch the six oclock news over a few years to come to that opinion of him.
As a British Columbian I always feel like Canada doesn’t care much about us. Federal policy is almost entirely favoured towards Quebec and Alberta, and often elections are decided before BC even finishes voting.
I care not if BC stays Canadian or if we become cascadia with Washington, Oregon, Alaska and California. I feel like we have more in common with them than other provinces.
You think…Federal policy favours Alberta? What are you smoking?
Alberta is a squeaky wheel, it gets a lot of grease. Plus it’s still the spiritual and political seat of the modern Canadian conservative movement.
Not seeing this is not seeing how places not call Alberta, Ontario, or Quebec are treated federally.
Didn’t the federal government buy a pipeline that cost every Canadian (tax payer or not) like $800 each? A pipeline that one of the provinces it passed through didn’t want?
Alberta hates on Trudeau but he fucked over BC for an Albertan pipeline. And Harper before that was definitely more pro-alberta than pro-bc. I can name more federal decisions that benefited Alberta than those that benefited BC that’s for sure.
I mean, build a country with a functional economy and social mobility, and maybe people will feel more pride
You say that like it’s everyone else’s job to do that. So long as you (and by extension everyone else) carry that attitude, nothing is going to change.
No one knows how to do that. Global civilization is in decline. Canada’s been very lucky to be mostly free of war but that’s about it.
The true problem of democracy is that it’s the government of a million tiny special interests, each of which screws over the entire society a small amount in order to benefit themselves a larger amount.
Well no shit. Instead theyve used every opportunity to squelch that. Sellers market for employees? High wages? Better import 2 million people fast.
