It’s a pretty outdated view that US wine (primarily from California, Oregon, Washington) is of lesser quality of that of Europe. True, the big flagship wines -the first growth Bordeaux and premier cru Burgundy and Champagne, are rarely matched. But a large majority of American wine is on par with most European wine.
Now, of course I do not support tariffs on US imports of wine. But pushing back on the quality comment.
In my experience you get a pretty aweful wine in the US if you don’t spend at least $10-15. In France and Italy, you get decent wines for 4-5€ and excellent wines for 10-15€. Nobody buys more expensive wines except maybe real connoisseurs.
It’s only not allowed because the USA enforces that policy. Trump can decide tomorrow that USA sparkling wine can be called Champagne when sold in the USA and there’s nothing France can do about it.
The orange clown has shown us the rules are only any good if there’s someone who can enforce them. Most of them are just gentlemen’s agreements.
There was a Central American country that demonstrated damages by the US, and was authorised by the International Courts to ignore US IP up to the value of damages claimed?
I think it was Belize and illegal blocks on gambling websites (because folks were still able to use US based gambling websites).
My point is that if the US ignores internationally recognised rules, such as regional naming, and causes demonstrated damage then it doesn’t have to be repaid in like.
@veroxii@neo2478 right, and in terms of PDO there’s not much Europe could retaliate with. What is there? Bourbon and Tennessee Whiskey? I think those are the only geographical indicators they have. But Cory Doctorow came up with some good ideas. The EU has already brought in alternative app stores but I’m sure there are some other tech & IP considerations https://www.pluralistic.net/2025/01/15/beauty-eh/
I’ll grant you that good champagne is better than great domestic sparkling.
But “no matter how good it is?” I don’t care what something is called; there is good domestic sparkling, and there is bad champagne. I’d rather drink the “good “” without the label.
Interesting aside. Because the senate never recognized the article in The Treaty of Versailles that prohibited use of Champagne, there are producers on the US grandfathered into being able to, technically, use the term.
You probably should not be surprised to learn that the US does not entirely recognize the appellation. If the wine was marketed as “Champagne” prior to 2006, they may use the name in the United States.
Loooool have fun with your shitty wine. Besides you can’t even have your own champagne as it’s location trademarked.
It’s a pretty outdated view that US wine (primarily from California, Oregon, Washington) is of lesser quality of that of Europe. True, the big flagship wines -the first growth Bordeaux and premier cru Burgundy and Champagne, are rarely matched. But a large majority of American wine is on par with most European wine.
Now, of course I do not support tariffs on US imports of wine. But pushing back on the quality comment.
In my experience you get a pretty aweful wine in the US if you don’t spend at least $10-15. In France and Italy, you get decent wines for 4-5€ and excellent wines for 10-15€. Nobody buys more expensive wines except maybe real connoisseurs.
Turns out the sun and vine do most of the work huh
But no matter how good it is, it will never be called champagne
It’s only not allowed because the USA enforces that policy. Trump can decide tomorrow that USA sparkling wine can be called Champagne when sold in the USA and there’s nothing France can do about it.
The orange clown has shown us the rules are only any good if there’s someone who can enforce them. Most of them are just gentlemen’s agreements.
There was a Central American country that demonstrated damages by the US, and was authorised by the International Courts to ignore US IP up to the value of damages claimed?
I think it was Belize and illegal blocks on gambling websites (because folks were still able to use US based gambling websites).
My point is that if the US ignores internationally recognised rules, such as regional naming, and causes demonstrated damage then it doesn’t have to be repaid in like.
@veroxii @neo2478 right, and in terms of PDO there’s not much Europe could retaliate with. What is there? Bourbon and Tennessee Whiskey? I think those are the only geographical indicators they have. But Cory Doctorow came up with some good ideas. The EU has already brought in alternative app stores but I’m sure there are some other tech & IP considerations https://www.pluralistic.net/2025/01/15/beauty-eh/
Yup. A lot of US income comes from predatory IP laws.
Coca Cola?
That’s made globally.
@HenriVolney well yeah, there are *brands* but I don’t think there are any geographical designations to compete with eg champagne, other than bourbon.
I’ll grant you that good champagne is better than great domestic sparkling.
But “no matter how good it is?” I don’t care what something is called; there is good domestic sparkling, and there is bad champagne. I’d rather drink the “good “” without the label.
Interesting aside. Because the senate never recognized the article in The Treaty of Versailles that prohibited use of Champagne, there are producers on the US grandfathered into being able to, technically, use the term.
It’s that delicious California champagne https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvxwf1jxdaM
celebrated for its excellence
Or rather: Mwaaaaah thefrenchchampangeiscelebratedforitsexcellence.
„It’s piss, isn’t it?“
You probably should not be surprised to learn that the US does not entirely recognize the appellation. If the wine was marketed as “Champagne” prior to 2006, they may use the name in the United States.
European wine is no better than American and I say that with a complete lack of national pride lol