Edit: What do you judge them for?
Police uniform.
MAGA hats, swastika tattoos
MAGA gear or by association those stupid shirts, hats, and stickers that say “F your feelings” or “we the people have had enough” etc. most people I work and live around that’s there basic fashion and culture.
Being Religious.
Lifted trucks are sus, especially if they have balls hanging on the back.
A MAGA hat. I judge them for MAGA.
Really really long fake nails. Less judgement and more confusion I suppose. How do you do normal everyday activities?? I’m baffled
Blue line American Flag sticker/apparel, especially if it’s set inside the Punisher logo.
Cops most of all, tells me they’re not only an asshole but an asshole who doesn’t even know what Frank Castle is all about despite rocking the logo
For real. I’m willing to bet most don’t even know it’s from the Punisher, they just like it because it’s a skull, or because they saw the word “Punisher” on the sales tag and thought that was cool.
Cybertrucks
Ugh, yes. Seriously, Elon aside, what kinda GIGA-DOUCHE does a person have to be, to see that thing and think “Wow! I must have one!”
Anyone who pays the ridiculous up charge so they can provide free advertising for any big brand. If you paid $50 bucks for a regular ass shirt with nothing but a Nike logo on it then you’re a fucking rube.
MAGA shit, thin blue line, black US flag, etc…
In case a civil war actually happens, it’s good to know the enemy.
All of that plus any “Punisher” logo on clothing or vehicles.
dont forget thier lifted giant trucks, that are 1-3feet off the ground. we get it you bought a giant truck to look “masculine” and your wife is a soccer mom and a karen.
Especially that punisher skull motif with the Trump hair. That takes the cringe to a new level.
The punisher would shoot them for that and not look back
I thought you were making this up, but no, we’re really exploring new frontiers of cringe
It’s also a fundamental misunderstanding of the character. It’s like all they know about him is the name and the logo.
right winger love to co-opt signs and things of other cultures, concepts and PERVERT into as a right wing identity.
So far, I’ve only seen one of those. They’re so stupid looking that if it had been by itself, I wouldn’t have been able to tell if it was meant as a joke. They also had one of those “thin blue line” American flag stickers, though, so that cleared it right up.
I had to do a search. I’m sorry I did.
I’m about to get a LGBT punisher logo for my car. 🤣
a rainbow one/
That fits with his ideologies far better than the thin blue line skull nonsense.
100%. I’ve recently added the “Grunt Style” tshirts to my red flag catalog.
Add “Gulf of America” shirts to the list
What’s wrong with a black US flag? It’s a discrete way to display the flag no?
It’s not really a us flag once you change it.
It supposedly means that “no quarter will be given”.
Well, shit. Didn’t know that thanks
Because I’m surely not the only one going ‘why would I want change, I paid with plastic’: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_quarter
That’s also what US Nazis say.
Indeed.
Start asking for bills then. No point in asking for dimes or nickels.
I’m Canadian, they use a black flag up here too. I don’t know or care about proper flag usage, I just know if I see a black Canadian flag on someone’s car or clothing that they:
- hate the left
- own a gun
- want “freedom”
- don’t care about the environment
- possibly racist?
It’s against flag code and is considered not a proper flag.
At this point in my life I couldn’t care less about the flag code. I just like to be discrete. But as people have pointed out, there are meanings that people are already using it for of which I fundamentally disagree with so….
Good thing I never got around to it
Seems like a dogwhistle confederate flag to me.
I mean, if it’s on clothing, it’s not a flag, it’s a flag image. Ergo, the flag code doesn’t really give a fuck.
Ugh. I hate it when people downvote others for asking legitimate questions. I didn’t know it had a special meaning either, so thanks for taking one for the team. 🤷♂️
MAGA hat
I really love how there’s one conservative going through the comments and ascribing a solitary downvote to any mention of conservative values, like trucks, crosses, Cybertrucks (cause it’s super specific) and the like.
Hey asshole. How does it feel to be part of a community that hates your fucking guts?
I feel you— but also what does this declaration of hate garner us? Is it anything beyond the base tribalistic fervor: “we are strong fear us”. It makes sense if we were in person— but I fear this is how we create silos.
If there are conservatives here, and we continually assault them directly then perhaps they’ll leave— and while personally I may feel that would make the discourse more favorable, they do not disappear; they leave and find a more homogeneous pasture. We shouldn’t isolate ourselves lest we contribute to make debate a toxic no man’s land.
I generally want good things for all people. However, modern conservatives in my neck of the woods have grown increasingly vile over the course of my lifetime. I like the idea that they might feel isolated because the ideas they champion are backward and negative. And because they seemingly delight in causing harm to others, especially groups who have less power.
The paradox of tolerance relies on a lot of assumptions that don’t really work in reality. We don’t tend to see more open societies have more intolerance, quite the opposite. Part of the problem is that “the intolerant” is not a single group, but many groups that hate each other. And those who are intolerant towards the intolerant are themselves part of the intolerant.
For a less-political example, let’s imagine hypothetically that Lemmy is very pro-linux. However, some people who absolutely hate linux show up and start posting anti-linux memes. These people get insulted, downvoted, and eventually banned by others on Lemmy, because they’re showing intolerance towards linux.
But then what happens to those anti-linux people? They go off and created their own forums, and talk about how intolerant lemmy is to people who don’t use linux. So whenever a linux user shows up on those forums, they’re inevitably banned. The result of intolerance of the intolerant is that they remain intolerant, and now the tolerant have become hard to distinguish from them, and there’s no way for pro-linux forces to be part of the conversation anti-linux people are having - allowing them to create their own culty filter bubble.
Now imagine an alternative - instead of banning the anti-linux people, pro-linux lemmy users decide to engage with them and correct misconceptions about linux. After all, linux, like many other topics, can get kind of complicated, and linux users need to remember that not everyone has the same background knowledge that they do about the topic. Sure, some linux haters would be persistent, but maybe others would be like “hey, these linux folks are actually kind of cool and helpful, I want to be more like them.” That may sound idealistic, but I think that’s a lot closer to what we see in reality - intolerance thrives in closed off spaces, and dies in open ones.
I appreciate the detailed comment and example scenario, but I don’t agree with the reasoning or the conclusion.
For a less-political example, let’s imagine hypothetically that Lemmy is very pro-linux.
Lol. Yes, hypothetically.
I don’t think this non-political example works as an analogy, because: 1. there isn’t a moral component to it (or not as much of a moral imperative), 2. the percentage of the populace that hates Linux doesn’t have much of an impact on the functioning of society, and 3. the target of the hate here isn’t a person or class of people that, you know, has the right to exist.
The reason I’m drawing that line is because the whole idea behind being intolerant of intolerance is because doing the opposite allows the intolerance to spread unchecked and fuck up society, having a very real negative impact on the targeted people. (And not, like, an OS.)
Part of the problem is that “the intolerant” is not a single group, but many groups that hate each other.
This is the difference between the political and non-political examples. In the Nazi vs. anti-Nazi example, one of those groups is absolutely morally right and therefore we should do everything we can to stamp out the intolerance. In the Linux vs. anti-Linux example, ehh, it is closer to a matter of opinion—or at least a lower-impact moral question.
It’s about cost-benefit, right? Like, what’s the cost to society if Nazi propaganda goes unchecked? Lives lost, people deported, families broken, etc. Seems pretty important then to pay the “cost” of not tolerating Nazis. But what’s the cost to society of anti-Linux propaganda goes unchecked? Costlier computers? More inefficient companies due to vendor lock-in and security issues? Maybe more state surveillance? It’s not good, but it’s nowhere near the same level as with the Nazi thing.
The result of intolerance of the intolerant is that they remain intolerant, and now the tolerant have become hard to distinguish from them, and there’s no way for pro-linux forces to be part of the conversation anti-linux people are having - allowing them to create their own culty filter bubble.
The culty bubble is going to exist regardless. The question is whether we let it infect everything else it touches.
That may sound idealistic, but I think that’s a lot closer to what we see in reality - intolerance thrives in closed off spaces, and dies in open ones.
It only dies in open ones if you shoot it down at every opportunity. But if you engage with it and allow the intolerant to do their “I’m just asking questions” sealioning, then it just metastasizes.
You’re missing the point entirely, it’s not a paradox, nor is it so philosophical, it’s a very basic social contract. If you offer tolerance then you receive tolerance, if you offer intolerance then you are owed nothing but intolerance. It’s simply reciprocity.
Do not try to humanize those who are clearly evil and evil for the sake of evil because they are psychopaths who delight in the suffering of others.
Do not humanize these fucking animals. They are not “conservatives”; they are fucking NAZIS.
I’m amazed nobody has mentioned a confederate flag (or confederate anything) yet. My first assumption would be that they’re racist and proud of it.
At this point that falls in line with MAGA gear to me, which lots of people have mentioned
Good point. At the risk of making it sound cool, I’ll say that confederate flags are the OG MAGA gear.
You’d be surprised at the number of Democrats in the South with them.
It’s particularly jarring when people have them in Canada.
Cybertruck drivers.
ETA: Regular Tesla drivers I give the benefit of the doubt to, because they might have bought their car before they realized Musk is a Nazi dickhead man-child. But cybertruck drivers basically knew and didn’t care (or still fanboi’d over him).
ive seen many teslar drivers bought thier regular tesla cars/suvs after musk went full nazi, like 1-2 years after he bought xitter. they know better, but they are very super-ignorant demographic, apparently alot of them in my area when i look into whos drivers, its asians, im asian.(its like a hybrid of ignorant but still aware of the news of the current events and still purchasing said item/services because it previously had brand recognition thats all they cared about, at the same time low info on the politicla spectrum)
In the UK you can see what year most cars were bought based on the license plate. I absolutely give Tesla owners the benefit of the doubt if it was bought before this year - although Musk showed something of his true personality in 2018.
But the other day I saw a dude driving a Tesla Y with a '25 plate and I absolutely judged him for buying a car fronted by an actual nazi.
He showed his personality when he accused a rescue worker of being a pedophile while trying to rescue children trapped in a cave.
They told Musk to fuck off when he was insisting that his “submarine” can save the day.
All the money in the world and no brains.
and the hyperloop scam was even more unforgivable, basically robbed california of a high speed rail system, which was blocked by trumps 1st term elain chao. and now its just a half-assed attempt with no progression.
Yup, that’s exactly what I was thinking of from 2018.
Musk: “I’ll build a submarine to save them, then everyone will love me even more!”
Cave Rescue Expert: “That’s not an especially practical solution given the situational needs of this resuce operation.”
Musk: “… er… well… pedo!”
I saw a cybertruck the other day with a “Bought it before we knew Elon was crazy” bumper sticker on it. I wanna give them the benefit of the doubt, since I myself was pro-Elon once upon a time, but c’mon. I know not everyone stays plugged into the news cycle, but you didn’t know until after you bought the cybertruck?
wait, but the cybertruck was way after he went full nazi.
A certain little moustache was generally popular and harmless before Hitler came along, but after the war it forever became the Hitler moustache and shaving one’s face in that style nowadays invites the comparison whether or not one means it that way.
I think it was actually fairly common after WWI, since it’s about the only facial hair you can really have with a gas mask.
Because if the way I shave, I’m concerned that I’ll have a heart attack just before I finish and I’ll be buried looking like Hitler.
I had a similar thought years ago, so if anything happens, I’ll end up with a reverse Hitler.
TIL Trumps father wore a Hitler mustache until 1950.
After World War II, toothbrush variants were worn by a small number of notable individuals, e.g. American real-estate developer Fred Trump (who wore a split variant), and former president of Zimbabwe Robert Mugabe (covering only the philtrum).
Trump wore a toothbrush mustache from c. 1935 to 1950, about when it fell out if fashion due yo associations with Adolf Hitler
Like the fylefot and any number of runes.
