So let me get this straight, you’re worried about giving the fascists who have shown zero compunction about lying and making shit up at literally every turn a justification for being fascists? They’ve been spinning non-issues into crises and fabricating bullshit whole-cloth the entire time, why do you imagine they care whether their reasons are legitimate or not? Do you think they would just stop being fascists if everybody was super chill? Someone else refuted that idea far more eloquently than I can::
But violence also works. People have died to make 40 hour work weeks, minimum wage, child labor laws, health laws of all kinds. The LA riots of the 90s were a net gain for the city.
Violence isn’t always the answer, but it’s an effective one when other avenues don’t work.
ETA: billionaires will never let you vote away their power.
So-called “peaceful” protesting (which is never actually peaceful because it’s the repressive arms of the state that decides whether they are “peaceful” or not) will only work if it is backed up by a credible prospect of extremely non-peaceful revolution.
Do you believe that 100% of people, out of millions, will not be violent while they can see what is happening with this government?
Do you believe the government will not resort to agent provacuteurs to get the outcome they desire?
I think you’re correct that the government wants to declare martial law, but I also believe that some violent act will occur somewhere, and it will be used against the people.
And that something greater isn’t violence, because any dictatorship would be happy to wipe your ass with violence that no civil protest can match, and the whole world would refuse their support too once the protest becomes violent. We’ve seen it too many times. I know this is new for Americans, and honestly, it’s kind of fun reading and seeing all that. It’s like watching a child make its first mistakes. However, there are many people and nations who have gone through this, you should at least study their experiences.
There are no consequences present for the criminal actions taken by members of the elite class; it stands to reason that reminding them that they are still beholden to us, the lower members of society, even if the justice system is not working, is the best course of action.
Downvoted for insinuating protests should be violent to work, which is playing into the administration’s cards to declare martial law.
So let me get this straight, you’re worried about giving the fascists who have shown zero compunction about lying and making shit up at literally every turn a justification for being fascists? They’ve been spinning non-issues into crises and fabricating bullshit whole-cloth the entire time, why do you imagine they care whether their reasons are legitimate or not? Do you think they would just stop being fascists if everybody was super chill? Someone else refuted that idea far more eloquently than I can::
Well yes but i don’t want to go outside. Outside is scary.
So im making this a principles thing.
Peaceful protesting can work especially if you have 3.5% of the population consistently protesting.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world
But violence also works. People have died to make 40 hour work weeks, minimum wage, child labor laws, health laws of all kinds. The LA riots of the 90s were a net gain for the city.
Violence isn’t always the answer, but it’s an effective one when other avenues don’t work.
ETA: billionaires will never let you vote away their power.
Let’s put it another way…
So-called “peaceful” protesting (which is never actually peaceful because it’s the repressive arms of the state that decides whether they are “peaceful” or not) will only work if it is backed up by a credible prospect of extremely non-peaceful revolution.
I’ll meet you at the front line, but I’d like to see you there first. Oh wait, are we still cosplaying?
I will be wearing a fur suit on the barricades, yes.
A liberal? On the front lines?
Now that would be something to see.
I can count on your comfortable endless preaching from behind the keyboard, that’s for sure :'(
Do tell, liberal - do you even know what CS gas smell like?
yes m’lord. Goddamn this is cringe
Sure you do, liberal. Sure you do.
I am not advocating violence but https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette_bombing_and_arson_campaign
I agree with your general point but can you expand on this?
The administration can just lie and say the protests are violent, that’s how they got troops on the ground in California.
Small, little known loophole called “no one will stop me”.
Well, one side of them is pretty violent.
Do you believe that 100% of people, out of millions, will not be violent while they can see what is happening with this government?
Do you believe the government will not resort to agent provacuteurs to get the outcome they desire?
I think you’re correct that the government wants to declare martial law, but I also believe that some violent act will occur somewhere, and it will be used against the people.
Sorry, but I don’t think you’re gonna end this system with peaceful protests.
Aren’t they trying to declare martial law right now anyway?
Well, yeah, but, see, we can’t give them an excuse to do something radical, like bring the marines in.
Like, whoever those guys in camo who pointed rifles at me on the way to the grocery store yesterday were scary enough.
Downvoted for not having a damn clue.
Protests need to pose a threat of something greater than people shouting to cause a real conundrum for those in power.
And that something greater isn’t violence, because any dictatorship would be happy to wipe your ass with violence that no civil protest can match, and the whole world would refuse their support too once the protest becomes violent. We’ve seen it too many times. I know this is new for Americans, and honestly, it’s kind of fun reading and seeing all that. It’s like watching a child make its first mistakes. However, there are many people and nations who have gone through this, you should at least study their experiences.
There are no consequences present for the criminal actions taken by members of the elite class; it stands to reason that reminding them that they are still beholden to us, the lower members of society, even if the justice system is not working, is the best course of action.
I think you are naive in pretending that the threat of violence does not play a role.