Mike Huckabee suggested any future Palestinian state should be carved out of ‘a Muslim country’
Mike Huckabee, the US ambassador to Israel, has said that the US is no longer pursuing the goal of an independent Palestinian state, marking what analysts describe as the most explicit abandonment yet of a cornerstone of US Middle East diplomacy.
Asked during an interview with Bloomberg News if a Palestinian state remains a goal of US policy, he replied: “I don’t think so.”
The former Arkansas governor chosen by Donald Trump as his envoy to Israel went further by suggesting that any future Palestinian entity could be carved out of “a Muslim country” rather than requiring Israel to cede territory.
I think it should be carved out of Texas.
They’ve got lots of empty space, the weather sucks, they’ll be surrounded with idiot bigots. They ought to feel right at home.
Fuck that, Israel should be carved out of Texas, not Palestine.
It will be much more cost effective to deliver our lethal aid within our own borders rather than across the Atlantic.
We already have east Palestine, we could just put it a few miles west of there.
it was over the moment trump moved the embassy to jeruselum. oh and they never even planned to give palestine thier rightful state.
There was never a chance
“No longer” they didn’t pursue it from the start, just pretended to.
“No longer”.
It is great that the Trump administration is dropping the fake pretenses.
Decades of broken promises and bad-faith negotiations prove that the U.S. has never had a “peace process” for the Mideast. Our process has always been, "Israel always gets whatever it wants and fark everything else. "
Idk, doesn’t really fit with the timeline. Why commit a slow af 77 year genocide when you’ve got the backing of UN Veto power and their world’s most powerful military? I think the Biden admin really did pursue peaceful coexistence, they just sucked ass at it and Netanyahu wanted Trump to win so he dragged the conflict out.
Fact, Biden went on stand to say he is a Zionist. Fact, He did nothing to secure co-existince Fact, Based on UN veto records nothing changes through out the history of the United States when it comes to Palestinians rights.
Let’s not get Biden foreign policy any credit that never been there because you like the guy.
I want there to be a distinction in the minds of voters as much as there is in reality between not doing enough and what the Trump admin is doing.
We were always going to keep our strongest ally in this proxy war, but we did not promote killing or removing every palistinian. The latter IS what the Trump admin is pushing for.
You seem not to be following the news. For someone who was reading news daily of how many killed, every time Blinken visit Israel next day at least 50 to 100 killed.
Reality is the US was promoting killing and removing every Palestinian. They literally asked Egypt and Jordan to take them. It was not “not doing enough” vs " outright support" it is “laying about support” vs “not laying about support”
The same happening with countries that says “we stop arm shipment” yet they are sending directly previous deals and re-routing new deals…
Again if you like Biden domestic policy and prefer to be lied to when it comes to foreign policy it is okay. But lets not pretend that one is better.
The news talked about the administration withholding large bombs bought and paid for while still pushing through small armaments without congressional approval. The news talked about Biden swearing at Netanyahu over the phone. The news quoted Netanyahu’s favorable opinion of Trump.
The news later talked about Trump delivering those large bombs. The news talked about Tanks on the ground in West Bank for the first time in decades.
Trump’s Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth openly admits that death or mass exodus is the plan now when it wasn’t before.
Because the US was first in a systemic competition against the USSR and China and after that still relied on the region for oil until recently.
Biden however stated in the 80s already, that if there wasnt an Israel he would have the US create one. He was always a racist imperialist
Biden said a lot of shit when he was half his age.
And he doubled down on it as his age doubled.
So much to unpack here.
First of all, when asked, he said “I don’t think so.” He should have a definitive answer to that question, not some weasely equivocation.
The fact that we aren’t supporting a PLACE for them to live as an independent nation, signals that America has embraced the genocide option.
This is entirely about developing a Jewish Dubai, so they don’t have to spend their money with Muslims. HitlerPig’s Spiritual Advisor has already come out to say that Christians won’t be able to enter heaven unless they make a pilgrimage to Israel, the way Muslims make their pilgrimage to Mecca. Of course, for the MAGA Nazis, it’s not about spiritual fulfillment, it’s about making Christians spend their money in their hotels and restaurants.
Israel has a very successful gamble in showing they are the white man’s key to the Middle East. For as long as no one wills to find another ally in the region, Israel oversells itself as a one. And as any other bad example of putting all eggs in one basket, Israel felt the dependency other states have in it, and now tests it, tests it, tests it with no negative response.
Palestine and Gaza are just them dipping their toes to know, if they can get scots-free from shooting weak HAMAS and civs and get into a real war Netanyahu’s cabinet already planning. It’s 2025 and in the coming years we’d see even more violence from that beloved partner if no one pulls the stop lever.
I can buy that. I fully believe that from their beginning, Israel has known that someday they will have to clear out the Palestinians, and Oct 7 provided the excuse for them to finally say “Today’s the day.”
I also fully believe that they’ve had that same mindset toward the rest of the Middle East. They know that eventually they will have to settle their differences with their Muslim neighbors, and it won’t be with good-faith negotiations. And the Muslim countries have the exact same mindset. It is only a matter of time before they go at each other full force, and this Gaza Genocide does look like a dress rehearsal.
It is quite simple really. There is about the same number of Palestinians and white Israelis in Palestine. Palestinians have a higher birthrate.
The current state was Apartheid, which is costly and unstable.
This leads to three long term options for an Israeli presence:
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Find a political solution, grant equal rights to everyone and serve some justice for Israels past crimes. This is contradictory to the plan of a “jewish” supremacy state. A two state solution also wouldnt work as there is about two million Palestinians with Israeli passport, but heavily discriminated. These would also eventually become an equally sized demographic.
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Ethnic cleansing
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Genocide
Since option 1 goes against the core ideology of the Zionists, Israel was always seeking Option 2 or 3. There was a slow ethnic cleansing of the Westbank and East Jerusalem over the past 30 years. Now Israel gambles that they can finish the full ethnic cleansing and genocide faster than the global support failing.
Sounds about right. Good analysis.
It is from John Mearsheimer.
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I think it’s a real war already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_war
In a sense, yes, but I feel like calling it a war gives some additional credit to Israel while what they do is an one-directional extermination campaign.
Why treat people with dignity when you can genocide them and grab all that real estate?
“They say they’ll kill them off, take their land and go there for vacation”
-Rage Against the Machine
I vote this as the default slogan for all Western Civ history classes
Yes and Eastern civilizations would do it too if they had the power. This is a human problem, not just a western problem.
Maybe, but the theft of indigenous lands is a continuum from the western European empires of yore to what’s on the news today, so what I’m talking about is a concrete reality that is unfolding (yet again) right in front of us, while you’re talking about a probability that things might be the same if, if, if…
How is “theft of indigenous” lands a western thing? I cant think of a single region that didnt seek to acquire more territory.
It is fundamentally different if you conquer an area, impose some taxes and otherwise leave the people somewhat alone, or if you genocide them to create Lebensraum for yourself.
So your argument is that it isn’t a human thing and easterners are superior to westerners? Would that be a race thing?
No, making a parallel doesn’t mean that’s the only reality.
Can you expand your “Maybe” answer to my assertion that this is a human problem not just a western problem?
If it isn’t a human problem, what is it?
Relax Jesus Christ, I made a parallel, you took it as absolute truth and challenged that it should apply to all humanity. That wasn’t my point, it’s yours, so I’m not trying to make it for you. Thanks
Not superior, but different. And yes, tribes are different, of course they are. Completely sober, a group of Germans/Finns and a group of Nigerians/Venezuelans/Algerians are completely different and we both know how. Western Europeans without ideology and morality turn into murderers. History proves it. They have fewer issues in dehumanising others, they sleep well at night in a house they robbed from people they killed (from the Native Americans to the Palestinians). No bs, can you say the same for other people in earnest?
Genghis Khan would like a word. So would Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, and Hirohito. Those are just the ones I can name off the top of my head.
So you’re saying it’s a cultural issue. Would you agree then that if easterners were to get culture that would allow them to justify colonization and murder, they would do the same things as westerners?
It’s almost entirely cultural, of course, but I do think (I can’t prove it, it’s just travel and observation) that there are innate psychological differences to people of different tribes. The Congolese, the Austrian and the Nepali are different in a deeper way than nurture can account for, I think.
God I hate this myth. The Eastern world had its fair share of absolute dehumanization, be it the extreme brutality in education systems (Pol Pot claimed to have been beaten senseless by teachers multiple times for minor infractions and he had seen this as normal), the Mongol Empire razing cities on a monthly basis or the countless bloody civil wars in Chinese history. Name me a culture and I will name you the ways in which they dehumanized others.
Western Europeans (Americans are displaced Europeans just like apartheid South Africans and genocidal Israelis), for being such a small group of people in an even smaller land, have managed to cruelly oppress the world since at least the days of Jesus til this day. The consistency (the Romans, the Crusades, Francisco Pizarro and Hernan Cortez, King Leopold’s Congo, the Dutch East India Company, the native Australian genocide by the Brits, every American conflict including proxy wars, etc.) is, at the very least, curious. Has chattle slavery even been a thing outside of the Western world?! The most destructive conflicts in recent history were just Western Europeans Vs Western Europeans with displaced Europeans joining in later and some extras! Believe what you wanna believe (“we’re just better at it!”, yeah because you’re consistently heartless at times, lol), but if I were you, I’d take the history of my people a little more seriously and consider the suffering of others due to my ancestors’ crimes, idk.
Israel: “Don’t say it out loud! Oh, what does it matter? Now everyone knows!”
Americans: “We are still trash.”
World: “We know.”
From the river to the sea, fuck Israel.
Thank God we saved Palestine from Biden, right protest voters?
Right?The protest voters amounted to some ~800k last time I did my research (check my profile for a post that goes over this).
RFK forgot to pull out of the general election, and he amassed some ~1 million votes.
Literally the Trump admin’s own hubris cancelled out the Uncommitted Movement’s efforts.
But sure: let’s ignore Biden’s deep hatred and racism for Palestinians while ignoring that emocrats lost more voters than what new voters became eligible between 2020 & 2024.
Let’s also ignore Biden’s awful, self-serving aim to run against Trump in 2024, when previously he had said he was a one-term candidate. And this old fuck couldn’t back out of the race until he was cumpstered and dumpstered on the national stage, leaving Kamala only months to prepare a campaign. Let’s not forget that there were people on voting day that didn’t even know Kamala was running (they assumed Biden).
Let’s also ignore Kamala’s decent into fascism-lite, saying things like “the strongest military in the entire world” at the DNC, following along with right wing framing on immigration, and inviting Liz fucking Cheney on the campaign trail. This is also ignoring Kamala’s horrendously tone deaf policies aimed towards business and home owners, when most people don’t own businesses and don’t own.
There is a generational divide in the country on Gaza. Young people under, say, 40 oppose everything this country has aided and abetted regarding Gaza. Older than 40, people don’t give a shit.
So, have you just dated yourself? Are you too much of a bitch and coward to stick up for state mandated murder abroad? Or are you one of those soy libs that ignores all of America’s war crimes yet points out everything wrong with China?
American foreign policy is uniparty. If you don’t protest that, you’re complicit.
Remember when Biden literally voted against the two-state solution at the UN?
The majority of white women voted for Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024.
"White women are still voting for the Republican candidate
Although women as a whole have historically voted for Democrats, white women have not. Instead, over the last 72 years, a plurality of white women have voted for the Democratic candidate only twice, in 1964 and 1996."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/06/election-trump-harris-women-voters
You such a cultist.
Oh boy you rustled some jimmies. Idk that I’ve seen a single comment where every response was down voted for being shitty takes.
I’m sure all of those third party and non voters are jerking off all over themselves for saving Palestine and ending the genocide through Donald Trump.
Hey, at least they’ve got their pedestals to look down on us from.
Oh boy you rustled some jimmies.
That might be an understatement lol.
I’m still getting comments, threats, and suggestions to commit suicide on this post, and other comments and posts I’ve made going back at least a year.They’re so mad they’re been browsing my comment history to find more things to get pissed off about lol.
I love pissing off fascists and all the attention let’s me know I’m on the right track.I think for everyone who can not, for one reason or another, go out in the streets and shout “what the fuck are we doing?”, the next best, most morally correct thing to do is to piss fascists off and waste their time.
Same. I’ve had cancer wished on me, suicide, and a few other things. Like you said, it’s solidly let me know the kind of people that I’m criticizing.
Someone lost a friend in Lebanon, and that’s sad. I’m sure if they were still here, they’d be stoked that their friend effectively supported Donald Trump to help out though.
I doubt that anyone ever claimed Trump would end the genocide on Palestinians from outside a troll farm in St. Petersburg.
Plenty of people in Michigan did.
I meant people who aren’t right-wing idiots cheering on the fascist takeover. Thought that was clear from context, my bad.
People on this very site did, absolutely, and some of them were definitely Americans
Some of them I’m sure thought it, but definitely a minority. It’s the fact that Gaza was used as a means to target Harris, and against all evidence suggesting it would be the same or worse, didn’t do the same to condemn Trump.
Or she could’ve just not had a genocidal platform. That would have made things much easier.
You’re right, it would have, but the reality was Trump or Harris. It was still an extremely easy decision, but it would have been better if the less shitty candidate was even less shitty.
If Democrats can’t handle the lowest bar in thr world, that of being against genocide, then the party doesn’t deserve to exist full stop. We need a new party, the Dems won’t save us from the next Trump either.
Cool, but that doesn’t happen in the general election. The seems aren’t good, but had 3rd party and non voters voted for Harris, then yes, the Democratic party would have saved us from Trump. Realistically, it’s the people saving us from Trump via the Democratic party, but at the end of the day, we got Trump because those same individuals decided a Trump presidency was the better outcome. Full stop.
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Well, if you play your cards right, trump might build a hotel in Lebanon too!
The original comment is a shitty take. Biden was sending billions in weapons to israel to carry out its mission of genocide. He continued doing this even though people were begging him to stop during an election when he needed their votes. Harris continued his rhetoric. You and Chainweasel think that somehow Biden/Harris would have changed course after they didn’t need the votes. Now you’re talking about people jerking all over themselves while you and Chainweasel admonish voters for not picking the correct genocide-enabler-in-chief. Hope you have good balance on that pedestal of yours because it’s really high up.
You got worse than what you were protesting. Good job. Huge success!
Congrats to the democrats for prioritizing genocide over beating trump, I guess.
the fact I made this months ago and people like you are still proving it relevant is hilarious, though I suppose the second panel should be “third party/not at all/for trump” in this context
“but one of them will explicitly make it worse”
Biden was making it worse for over a fucking year. Your comic is not clever or informative or even truthful, sorry. I voted for Harris, but I cannot control how others vote. If democrats want votes, they should actually try to get them. Democrats running on “other guy will make it worstester!!!” while still making things worse themselves is a losing strategy and yet here you are defending it. That’s truly a stick-in-spokes maneuver.
the contentious point has never been that democrats should have run a better campaign. on that we all agree. the relevant issue has always been that not voting democrat would result in a worse outcome.
surprise surprise. it did.
Worse than Trump? No.
In their defense, it’s very expected that some people can be so stupid as to think Trump was not going to be worse for Gaza. And Ukraine. And Europe. And US. But I guess you are.
That’s why they can you “useful idiot”
Edit: to be clear, I don’t mean “you” in particular, but those like you in general.
it’s very expected that some people can be so stupid
But I guess you are.
It’s obvious that you’re calling me stupid and an idiot. You assign behaviors that you think apply to me and then say that those behaviors make one a useful idiot. I know you’re just trying to skirt rule 5, but this has got to be one of the most pathetic attempts I’ve seen.
Why am I skirting any rule? Those like you include you. I’ve even said explicitly on your quote.
You were fooled and you’re trying to defend it as some form of moral superiority. You don’t care about Gaza, you care more about not admitting you were wrong.
Go ahead and report me, just be careful to not fall from your high horse.
All this time Kang was the right choice! Down with Kronos!!!
Child.
You understand what you already know, and nothing more
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Ok, so assume all things equal, everything happens the same in Gaza… Trump is still significantly worse in every other facet. So yea, all third party voters and non voters are fucking moronic Trump supporters. A bunch of ignorant fuckwits that think that they made a difference by standing up against the establishment. Congrats, we got Trump.
There’s only so many ways to say that there were two outcomes last November, and everyone knew that. If y’all can’t wrap your head around that reality 6 months later, then that says everything about your ability to reason.
The most basic job responsibility of a politician is to get elected. Democrats’ only platform is “at least we’re not as bad as the other guys” but the other guys only get worse and worse while democrats follow along, making sure to be just different enough to make people think they have a choice, but not different enough to change the course of our country and its servitude to the ultra-rich.
You’re arguing with people on here who most likely voted for Harris. I know I did. However, who I vote for doesn’t matter when democrats are so bad at looking appealing and fighting for a winning chance that my vote is drowned out by others not paying attention or who are gerrymandered away (or otherwise suppressed).
I’m specifically arguing with/against non voters, 3rd party voters, and Trump voters. I also pinched my nose and voted for Harris in November. I’m not going to argue for the democratic party, because it’s the second worst major party in the US, and they suck. Unfortunately, we are a FPtP nation, so in the general we get two options and get to pick who’s less bad. Lot’s of people that voted for Harris did so with that in mind.
Doesn’t matter what the Democrats platform was.
If they were concerned about Gaza and didn’t vote Harris, then they didn’t care about Gaza. Because of them Trump got elected like everyone told them, and made the situation in Gaza worse.
If democrats were concerned about stopping trump and ignored voters, then they didn’t care about stopping trump. Because of them trump got elected like everyone told them, and made the situation in Gaza worse.
Why I don’t get is why the democrats ran a chicken race with democracy for a widely despised policy when they knew the stakes. We can call the electorate morons all day and even have point, but they are supposed to be smart.
The why doesn’t strike me as hard. A number of domestic voting blocks in critical swing states will mobilize hard against any perceived flagging of support of Israel. It will play poorly in the press broadly, and opponents will successfully fundraise on the issue.
The worst part is the party is being entirely realistic. Jeremy Corbyn showed what happens when a party leadership is not sufficiently supportive of Israel. Any left of center leader will be tagged as radical, but the accusations of harboring antisemitic elements lost labour what should have been a landslide victory.
Continuing to write Israel a blank check may be widely despised, but the left might hold their nose and vote blue anyway. The left is famously never satisfied, so what else is new?
Even when Bidens line was far to the right of every previous admin besides Donalds? I have a hard time believing there wasn’t a coalition holding line possible here when it was a majority possition.
that’s absolutely true too! there are multiple parties who share the responsibility… as always, the world is complex and rarely are things black and white
The main argument was never “Trump is no worse than Harris”. To argue against this is fighting windmills.
The argument has always been, of the two candidates, one of which will win, which is less bad? People that voted third party or didn’t vote decided that Trump is less bad.
No it wasn’t. That’s disregarding a heap of systemic criticism and historical and moral considerations.
It was, because that’s reality. It does disregard a lot of criticism, because again, at the end of the day, there were two candidates, and one was going to win. Harris wasn’t, imo, a good candidate, but Trump was a far worse.
In the US, it’s been that way for the better part of the past century, because FPtP always devolves to a two party system. This past election was no different.
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1 million upvotes for you. “Hope you’re happy Trump got elected. Palestine is doing great now” etc. is such a tired cliche at this point. I’m astonished that it gets upvoted every. single. time. Harris literally said she wouldn’t do anything different from Biden. She would have allowed/financed the genocide all the same, but she’d be calling the “tragic loss of life” a “very complex issue.” I have no idea where this fantasy comes from that she would suddenly be the hero who stands up to Israel.
She would have been better for the world as a whole than Trump. If you truely think that things would have played out exactly the same in Gaza with Harris as POTUS, then it still comes down to two candidates last November, and every person knew that one of them would win. So a vote for Trump, a non vote, or a third party vote directly benefited Trump.
“Oh but I voted against genocide”, fuck no you didn’t. You voted in a manner that directly put Trump in charge, which was the worst possible outcome.
To be clear, I voted for Harris, and I implored everyone I know to vote for Harris, for exactly the reasons you mentioned. I will always vote for the farthest-left candidate in the general, full-stop. I’m not arguing that both sides are the same, or that Harris wouldn’t have been a better choice for 100 reasons outside of the genocide issue. I’m arguing that Harris gave no indication that she would defend Palestine or even recognize the genocide at all. She might well have done those things, but she didn’t campaign on that, so I don’t know why anyone is defending her on the issue. Establishment Dems can’t seem to get it through their heads that progressive policies are popular, so we keep getting general elections between an absolute monster and a neolib Dem saying, “Vote for me or you’ll get the monster!” That might be the reality, but it’s not a platform.
I live in a blue state, and I had people around me arguing that whether they voted third-party or didn’t vote at all, they would be able to sleep at night knowing that A. they didn’t vote for genocide and B. the state would go blue anyway. I don’t agree with that position at all. I want third parties to be represented in the US, but that starts at the local level and in the primaries. By the general election it’s too late and we realistically have two options. I also believe that shutting down any criticism of the Dem candidate (e.g. a now-banned user told me to kill myself) is a good way to alienate people and discourage them from engaging with the process at all. The right has banned nuance from their discourse, and I refuse to allow the same thing to happen around me.
I agree with you on everything you wrote.
I’m not trying to say that Harris would have been good for Palestine, or even a good POTUS. I’m saying she was the less bad option overall in the election. I don’t know that anything would be different with Israel had she won, but I think there was a better chance that she would have done something good over Trump doing something good. That could still be a negligible chance, but it was the better of two chances.
Like you said, local elections and primaries (when they’re held, but that’s separate from this overall conversation) are when to vote for different parties and more fringe candidates. One of two people is already the winner in the election by the time November rolls around, so it comes down to least bad.
It could be argued that trump is actually better for the world (but not for the US) since he’s ruining the US’s soft power by tearing up alliances and expressing blatant corruption, making the US look incompetent and completely untrustworthy. Now other countries are finding alternatives, making the US not as central as it used to be. He is perhaps the most effective tool in helping the US empire fall.
You could also argue that this is accelerationism, but to be fair, democrats take advantage of accelerationism all the time (e.g. “republicans have repealed reproductive rights, donate even more money to us so we can fight it” while letting things get worse and worse, barely putting up a fight to make long-lasting changes and indeed letting things get this bad so they can position themselves as the only “solution”).
All, unfortunately, true.
Edit: Unfortunate for us in the US, not necessarily unfortunate for the rest of the world in some aspects. I still think as a whole his influence and other actions probably still make him worse for the world, but there is a valid argument about nations growing less dependent on the US.
Hopefully in 3.5 years (or please God, less), the US will be knocked down a peg on the world stage, other nations have a more diverse and stable trade relationships, and maybe Trump’s actions will help spark other countries into action against hard right politics to prevent the same thing from happening to them. Ideally, this could be a catalyst for positive change, but I’m not holding my breath.
I have friends in an active warzone and everytime there’s a disguisting yank to make it about their domestic policy. You country have been supporting this shit for decades you piece of trash. Go get cancer
Most wars of the last 100 years are heavily influenced by American decisions. Who they elected as president is not domestic policy, it directly influences the amount of missiles that will be raining on your friends.
It’s the difference between “let’s build a symbolic pier do deliver two cartons of milk” and “let’s exterminate them so we can build a hotel”.
Most wars of the last 100 years are heavily influenced by American decisions. Who they elected as president is not domestic policy, it directly influences the amount of missiles that will be raining on your friends.
It’s the difference between “let’s build a symbolic pier do deliver two cartons of milk” and “let’s exterminate them so we can build a hotel”.
Look, I was the first person in threads to call these people out back in February. And March… But it’s June. This shit accomplishes nothing now beyond creating more unnecessary division.
I don’t even disagree, it’s just not productive to constantly harp on this when we’ve all heard it a million times
I don’t even disagree, it’s just not productive to constantly harp on this when we’ve all heard it a million times
Man, there are people who still believe that helping fascism win was a good idea. Look in this very comment thread, where people are openly extolling the virtues of having Trump win from a ‘leftist’ standpoint, and teaching those damn dirty SHITLIBS a lesson.
As long as those opinions remain widespread on here, it remains necessary to highlight just how morally repugnant they are.
What are you accomplishing here?
Same thing as you, me and everyone else here, I’d wager. Nothing. Welcome to social media.
As a lib I am deeply ashamed that we have missed a historic opportunity of electing a black woman to unquestioningly, unequivocally and fully support the destruction of Palestine all the while lying about “working round the clock to stop the Israel-Hamas war”.
Well, you got a orange man who wants to accelerate the destruction, ethnically cleanse the population and build a hotel on the ashes. At least he’s too dumb to lie about it. Yay?
I don’t see an acceleration. Israel is trying to kill the most number of palestinians while the united snake send billions to israel
united snake
That’s an insult to actual snakes
The snake was always have negative symbolism . Symbolically it fit the usa and the term united snake sound good to the ear
For one, look at the article headline.
For one stop, believing the USA without thinking before
The USA been voted no to UN resolutions to recognize a Palestinian independent state since 1974.
I prefer an honest scum who say we oppose a two state solution or any other type of solution than a hypocrite scum who claim to want one
Enjoy trump then 🤷
I’m not from the usa. Go join riots against trump instead of defending all the other presidents who support israel unconditionally just like him
The zionists won. It doesn’t need reminding.
A movement tried to make Palestine a relevant political issue for the electorate. It got stomped out. I don’t get this sentiment to keep stomping.
The zionists won
For now. Given what climate change has been doing, it will be short lived. The house always wins
Of course it’s coming for us all eventually. But some places sooner than others.
A movement tried to make Palestine a relevant political issue for the electorate. It got stomped out.
No, it succeeded in its goal - making sure the fascist won.
There are those of us who will never see the protest (non-)voters as allies again due to their willingness to ignore the basic math of the election and enable fascists to win to “prove a point”. They are a step away from collaborators and hold part of the responsibility for every person who has been kidnapped by ICE, the end of a possibility of a free Palestine, every murdered protestor, every trans youth who commits suicide because they are denied care, every child that dies from measles.
Performative bullshit driven by the desire to feel moral superiority while helping get a fascist elected and undoing a century of civil and societal progress doesn’t make one an ally. It makes them useful idiots to the far-right and betrayers of people in vulnerable populations, everyone whose life is ruined by global warming.
I might forgive this who take responsibility and try to lend a hand in the multi-generation effort to try repairing the damage that has been in under 200 days (protest voters have fucked over GenX through Alpha, at the very least). But, as long as I live, I’ll not forget, nor will I allow them or anyone else to do so, lest someone make the mistake of thinking that they would stand up for anyone in any effective manner capable of positive change.
You are paying the price of voting for the same two parties for centuries. As for gaza regardless who is in power in the usa it makes zero difference
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how the fck this has so many votes ? that scum did nothing but lie about it for a year. that trash had failed upward his entire political carrier by bankrolling with aipac blood money.
he is the biggest reason harris lost and was probably told to do so by israel.
racism, toxic masculinity, sexism won out over actual governance policies. DNC underestimated the “socially conservatives” of blacks, and hispanic people. add in a little election interference of the machines and propaganda.
dnc underestimated nothing, they are a party run by two faced drifters like pelosi and schumer. these parasites are part of the same oligarchy.
i live in very liberal part of nyc and not a single person whether black, hispanic, asian or white wants to vote for dnc since Hillary because their policies have been just farce and they do a half ass job even on getting that implemented. biden funded and cheered a live streamed genocide, did fuck to protect women rights or stop rabid inflation. he cried about humanity in ukraine while burning children alive in hospitals and made US a even a bigger joke on warcrimes. blocked a proper dnc primary and then ended his presidency by pardoning his whoring drug addict son who drifted millions by lobbying for superpacs leveraging his scum father’s position.
the only reason harris got any vote was because her opponents was way worse trash then her. everyone knew she is just another spineless pimp for superpacs like last two dnc candidates.
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My friend in lebannon, she got firebombed last year.
I wish you to one day see your mum trying to remove the thermite off what used to be her face, but that shit is sticky.
Enjoy your own medecine asshole i hope you get shot
How is that relevant? Is there less bombing now? Is the napalm less sticky?
Israel is done. It’ll take a few years more, but Trump abandoned Israel and the world is turning its back. Palestine will be free, and only then you also will be free.
Until then, you’ll keep bouncing back between openly fascist and polite fascist like the good little wage slave that you are.
This was Biden’s genocide, you can never take that away from him.
This is a pathetic take.
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Biden did not order the attacks, stop spreading bullshit. This is solely on Israel.
Think a bit before talking. If i give an arm to someone knowing exactly that he will kill domeone then i am complicit with thr crime of murder. Same with biden and trump
Problem: That’s not why Biden armed Israel.
Biden armed Israel under the belief that they would use the weapons for legitimate defense, specifically against Iran. That’s a naive assumption, but it was done in good faith.
Netanyahu then illegally used the weapons offensively. Apparently nobody has the balls to call him out on it.
Again iran do not want to attack the usa. The usa is the one who want to . The united state been the biggest agressor and bully at least for 50 years.
Your country has no ligitimate defence
We aren’t talking about Iran wanting to attack the US, they want to (and repeatedly have) attacked Israel, which is why Biden was supporting Israel.
Ok sorry for misreading you.
Why biden should protect a state occupying palestinian for 57 years? Why do you agree with biden being complicit?
Biden support israel for the usa imperialism and ideology
The genocide would have been impossible without Biden.
Not without Netanyahu.
Absolutely false. Israel has been stockpiling weapons since the 40s and, depending on who you ask, is between the 8th and 10th largest weapons dealer in the world.
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/03/13/us-top-weapons-exports-china-russia/
They do not need our help buying sniper bullets to kill kids.
They’re willing and able to misuse the weapons we send them, they don’t NEED to use the weapons we send them.
Proof: They started killing Palestinians on 10/7/2023 before we approved a single dime of aid much less sent any.
https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel
Emergency Aid and Wartime Procurement:
In September 2024, the U.S. secured an $8.7 billion aid package for Israel, including $3.5 billion for wartime procurement and $5.2 billion for air defense systems like Iron Dome and David’s Sling.
In April 2024, Congress approved $14.3 billion in emergency military assistance and $9.2 billion for humanitarian aid, including support for Gazan civilians.
Paused Heavy Munitions Transfer: In May 2024, the Biden administration paused certain heavy munitions shipments pending Israel’s plans for operations in Rafah, where humanitarian concerns for displaced Palestinians were raised. This move reflected efforts to balance support for Israel with attention to humanitarian laws. The munitions transfer were later approved.
Why do they recieves billions if they do not need it. Israel economy would have crumbled if they didn’t recieve as much aid
Because politicians need campaign contributions and unless they support Israel, that money not only dries up, but actively gets used against them.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/20/pro-israel-groups-gaza-us-elections
You basically admit that israel need american politicians to send thrm money and protect them diplomatically for any consequences. It’s a win win for israel and the politicians.
Okay cool so you are saying Biden sent weapons to Israel despite Israel not needing them.
It is funny how Israel disagrees with you.
Israeli Air Force Official: Without U.S. Aid, Israel Couldn’t Fight Gaza Beyond a Few Months
Biden sent weapons to Israel to defend against potential attacks from Iran, as is their right.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-us-prepared-israel-defend-iranian-attack/story?id=114393069
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rljzepw5yo
Israel then misappropriated the weapons for use in Gaza.
Iran don’t want to attack the united statr. Thr united state does
So you are conceding that the genocide would have been impossible if Biden did not supply Israel with weapons and admitting I am right.
Furthermore, can you cite where in your articles it says the bombs which Biden sent were meant to bomb Iran? And where did Biden put the condition that they were not allowed to be used for the genocide but only in case of escaltion with Iran?
Biden is past episode. CUVFEC is the main problem.
Biden wouldn’t have done anything differently.
This is sarcasm right.
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What do you think Biden would have done differently and why?
Biden wouldn’t be proposing beach front real estate for one. Biden wasn’t the one saying the only thing Israel is doing wrong is not going fast enough.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d
What was Biden saying? Oh, right:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq6g4694vygo
"During Sunday’s call, which was the first to be publicly announced since October, Biden “stressed the immediate need for a ceasefire in Gaza and return of the hostages with a surge in humanitarian aid enabled by a stoppage in the fighting under the deal”.
So, the polar opposite of “finish it quick, get rid of the Palestinians, steal the real estate.”
Biden never did anything to pressure Israel. The actions of both of them are pretty much the same.
Why don’t you ask yourself why the Democrats chose to fight for Israel rather than their own country? Why did they refuse to take a meaningful stand? It’s not like they didn’t know/had data about how many leftist voters felt about the issue.
“My job is to keep the left pro-israel” ~ chuck Schumer
“Not actively pressuring” is far different from “actively encouraging”.
If you listen to the edgy teenagers you’d think Biden was out there pulling the trigger himself and that absolutely was not the case.
But then they’re of the co-hort that anything bad that happens is automatically the fault of the US.
Why do the Democrats fight for Israel? Same reason the Republicans do… MONEY. It’s all about money, always has been.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/aipac-100-million
“‘Very Bad Sign for Democracy’: AIPAC Has Spent Over $100 Million on 2024 Elections”
If you listen to the edgy teenagers you’d think Biden was out there pulling the trigger himself and that absolutely was not the case.
Yeah he was just cool handing out the gun and watching from the side lines when it was used.
You can’t seriously still be arguing Biden was doing anything to stop the genocide? Every president before him stopped Israel with a call and Biden just let it happen
So biden wouldn’t have ‘done’ anything differently.
He just said words and never backed them up with any action.
You’re part of the problem.
You’re part of the problem.
Says the guy with the flag of Russia on his name. My irony detector went supernova.
But hey, props to you for not hiding it like many others here do.
I’m part of the problem because I don’t succumb to hysteria?
That’s how far gone you people are. Rationality is lost on you and your peers.
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Get over yourself mate. We haven’t memory holed genocide Joe.
To the downvoters. Biden supplied the weapons, the political cover and the witchunt against domestic dissent. These policies were all continued by Trump.
Matthew Miller and Blinken shed lots of crocodile tears but continued to support Netanyahu for 18 months. There was no serious effort at stopping the genocide under the Democrats
Great, now you got the genocide still going AND a fascist takeover of your country, with even less possibility to change anything and plenty of distractions to the Palestinians cause because your country is falling apart around you.
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Genocide Joe walked so Fascist Donald could run.
Fascism didn’t start in January. It’s been a steady, forty-year march aided and abetted by every president since Carter.
I generally agree with your premise up until the point where you argue for accelerating the rise of fascism.
NOTHING has been gained by this, NOTHING changed for the better, it only got harder to bring about change. The people who could’ve mobilized and fought for those causes are now busy trying to stop the gestapo from deporting their neighbors.
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argue for accelerating the rise of fascism.
Either you’re putting up a straw man or you didn’t read what I wrote correctly.
He correctly understood the context in which you wrote it, which was defending fascist-accelerationist non-voters and third-party voters.
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Okay, Jan.
I won’t even bother entertaining you or them, but just for funsies, go look up who gave Tom Homan his first federal appointment.
You’re welcome to your incorrect interpretation, and I hope you have a pleasant evening.
Could we say there’s a difference in rhetoric not action?
Nothing new here, the US has always supported the genocidal state of Israel. The US is complicit in the massacre, genocide and war crimes committed by Israel.
Were they ever?
The people saying a vote for Harris was a vote for genocide definitely believed it
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I mean as disgusting as this is he is really just saying the quiet part loud. There was never any plan to give the Palestinians a state. Oslo was a con to legitimise land confiscation and to neutralise the Palestinian resistance of the time (the PLO).
The US did literally nothing while the Zionists flooded the West Bank with settlements over the last 30 years but kept up the “2 state solution” as a rhetorical shield.
People just like to pretend the quite part “aka Biden - Obama policies” was never been there.
If at any given point, the US said “sanction for two state solution” it will take a few months before they come to a solution.
The US was never pursuing such a thing, it was always to string Palestine along while israel goes in butchering the people and land to take for themselves completely.
You know it’s democracy when the policies of 340 million people can flip-flop based on the whims of a handful of moronic hateful shitbirds.
It’s not the handful, unfortunately.
The handful has no real power.
The problem is that 49% on each side flip-flop based on whoever’s in power, because their values and opinions are a matter of convenience, and perfectly easy to change with their preferred nightly news broadcast.
It’s not 49%. The split in 2024 was 1/3 R, 1/3 D, 1/3 didn’t vote, and ~1% 3rd party.
As the other commenter said, it’s a much fewer percentage of the population that sways those 1/3s either in the favor of R or D.
And you’d think Democrats would have chased after the 1/3 that sat at home instead of Rs, but we all know what actually happened
You’re correct in the general sense. But it’s not even 49%. It’s basically 2-10% of the American electorate. They flip-flop based on their own myopic, selfish impulses, and whatever bullshit they’ve been fed by the media.
In 2016 they swung it for Trump because unlike his opponent he’s a white guy, they didn’t like Clinton, and because Trump’s promises of cheaper gas for their big trucks would save them a bit of money each month.
In 2020 they swung for Biden because he’s also a white guy, they had discovered Trump just caused chaos without really delivering any personal benefits to them, and Biden looked like the more stable option for their pocket book.
In 2024 they swung for Trump again because unlike his opponent he’s a white guy, and they apparently have fucking goldfish memories.
Meanwhile, millions of other people in America and elsewhere in the world are being put through hell to a lesser or greater degree because of these people.
You know, I’ve definitely considered this criticism of most democracies for why dictatorship is such a dirty concept.
In a world where people can be herded like sheep and votes bought, dictators at least have the potential to go against the status quo.
The flaw of democracy is it requires an educated population to make correct decisions.
Believe it or not, authoritarian regimes are less stable than democracies.
This is seems like a false statement. What you mean by stable exactly ?
Able to hand power over without bloody civil wars.
USA 2020 enters the chat /s
This is a very narrow view of stability.
Yes it is and dictatorships can’t even jump that.
