Alright this got me curious, so I researched the matter further. I do believe you are wrong here.
From what I can gather, Bernie was arrested for being chained together with others to protest the installation of Willis Wagons. This was nonviolent. When the police arrested him, he kicked, screamed, and resisted the entire way.
The protests Bernie was part of were accused of being violent regardless of how Bernie and the majority of people protesting behaved. That’s the point. Hell if he resisted arrest in anyways today they might try to charge him with assaulting a police officer.
You need to read more news articles from the times then and not just modern accounts of the civil rights movement. The media definitely portrayed the demonstrations as violent and destructive even when most demonstrators were peaceful.
I just don’t understand how this makes Bernie’s statement inconsistent.
Bernie’s focus is the problem here. The anarchists and provocateurs who want to engage in property description don’t care what Bernie has to say. The vast majority of protestors who are peacefully demonstrating are not responsible for their actions. Even then there are many instances of peaceful demonstrators trying to intervene and stop property destruction and violence. “Peaceful protest” is a common chant at these events.
If you have familiarity with all of this, then you’ll recognize that Bernie is just being needlessly condescending to those who are already doing the best that they can. Nobody needs lessons on how or why peaceful protests can be effective. What we need is leaders who are focused on the obscene violence being perpetrated by law enforcement and the current administration.
If you want a better example of how to respond to the current situation you don’t have to look far. AOCs statement is much better.
It is 100% carrying water for the opposition to participate in this collective delusion that Dems for some reason need to answer for every teen who throws a rock rather than hold the Trump admin accountable for intentionally creating chaos and breaking the law to stoke violence. They are in charge.
Thanks for the discussion. Just to restate - I absolutely believe everyone that the protests in which Bernie participated were described as violent. I was not disagreeing with this whatsoever.
You mention having “familiarity with all of this,” and I do not. This is the only comment I read from Bernie about the protests.
To be clear: Russians aren’t communist or behind everything. Russia’s a typical country with an imperialist administration, it engages in information warfare because it helps it win harder at imperialism (the highest form of capitalism).
I’m not even sure convinced they’re deliberately targeting MLs, honestly. It seems like the sort of thing that’d self organise inside the communication medium: The platforms they post on will recommend based on factors like your political leaning, material position, etc. So will the people in your social network.
Whether they’re communist or not isn’t the relevant part. And you can’t go claiming “oh but they’re not behind everything” when you invoke them as the secret puppet master behind all your political enemies".
Russia’s a typical country… it engages in information warfare
And yet you only ever invoke Russia as the shadowy puppet master behind your enemies, suggesting it is not typical
What are your goals with this post?
Edit
Found more details about Bernie’s arrest here: https://medium.com/@ShaunKing/you-dont-really-know-who-bernie-sanders-was-in-the-1960s-79628016125f
I know it wasn’t the point of this post, but thanks for teaching me about this bit of history! This helped me understand why he emphasized discipline.
Have people understand that being a progressive does not mean blindly following Bernie Sanders.
Because past Bernie stood for what present Bernie admonishes.
I won’t pretend to know much about Bernie’s history, but I do have a couple of thoughts with which you may or may not agree.
Out of curiosity, do you prefer past or present Bernie?
Past Bernie is the guy in the left image of the original Tweet. Who was attacked with the same slander as present Bernie is spewing.
Alright this got me curious, so I researched the matter further. I do believe you are wrong here.
From what I can gather, Bernie was arrested for being chained together with others to protest the installation of Willis Wagons. This was nonviolent. When the police arrested him, he kicked, screamed, and resisted the entire way.
Source: https://medium.com/@ShaunKing/you-dont-really-know-who-bernie-sanders-was-in-the-1960s-79628016125f
The protests Bernie was part of were accused of being violent regardless of how Bernie and the majority of people protesting behaved. That’s the point. Hell if he resisted arrest in anyways today they might try to charge him with assaulting a police officer.
I understand they were accused of being violent. The descriptions I read didn’t seem violent though, although they might be inaccurately biased.
I think protesters will always be accused of violence whenever possible. I just don’t understand how this makes Bernie’s statement inconsistent.
You need to read more news articles from the times then and not just modern accounts of the civil rights movement. The media definitely portrayed the demonstrations as violent and destructive even when most demonstrators were peaceful.
Bernie’s focus is the problem here. The anarchists and provocateurs who want to engage in property description don’t care what Bernie has to say. The vast majority of protestors who are peacefully demonstrating are not responsible for their actions. Even then there are many instances of peaceful demonstrators trying to intervene and stop property destruction and violence. “Peaceful protest” is a common chant at these events.
If you have familiarity with all of this, then you’ll recognize that Bernie is just being needlessly condescending to those who are already doing the best that they can. Nobody needs lessons on how or why peaceful protests can be effective. What we need is leaders who are focused on the obscene violence being perpetrated by law enforcement and the current administration.
If you want a better example of how to respond to the current situation you don’t have to look far. AOCs statement is much better.
Thanks for the discussion. Just to restate - I absolutely believe everyone that the protests in which Bernie participated were described as violent. I was not disagreeing with this whatsoever.
You mention having “familiarity with all of this,” and I do not. This is the only comment I read from Bernie about the protests.
tHeYrE GOiNg To LiE aNyWaY
So might as well just commit violence /s
No, Bernie Sanders was arrested for violently rioting. At least according to the newspapers Bernie Sanders reads these days.
You know what you could also try? Literally read the images Hasan posted.
If you’re not interested in civil discourse, then we can end this discussion now.
I researched his arrest to learn what wasn’t said in the images. Are you suggesting that resisting arrest is equivalent to violent rioting?
Look at the middle image.
Arguing with the soldier next to you is definitely how world wars are won.
Compromising with the right on every viewpoint. Surely that is the way to go.
Right winger : “Lets have a debate on who is a person or not”
Centrists: “okay”
It literally is how wars have been won. Strategy is not decided upon in a vacuum.
To sow general discord within the Anglophone left because:
Though, not that it’s necessarily intentional.
Great to see liberals coming up with their own version the Judeo-Bolshervick conspiracy theory.
To be clear: Russians aren’t communist or behind everything. Russia’s a typical country with an imperialist administration, it engages in information warfare because it helps it win harder at imperialism (the highest form of capitalism).
I’m not even sure convinced they’re deliberately targeting MLs, honestly. It seems like the sort of thing that’d self organise inside the communication medium: The platforms they post on will recommend based on factors like your political leaning, material position, etc. So will the people in your social network.
Whether they’re communist or not isn’t the relevant part. And you can’t go claiming “oh but they’re not behind everything” when you invoke them as the secret puppet master behind all your political enemies".
And yet you only ever invoke Russia as the shadowy puppet master behind your enemies, suggesting it is not typical