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I mean, even all the way back in Grimm, she’s described with “skin as white as snow, lips as red as blood and hair as black as ebony”. Like I get what you’re saying, but having very, very white skin is literally(literally literally) a central detail of the character. Hence the name.
I feel like maybe the answer isn’t to keep remaking European fairy tales. Maybe the focus should be on, I dunno, folk tales from anywhere else? Or, God forbid, an original story?
Counterpoint: it doesn’t matter as long as the movie is good. Literally who cares, take whatever parts of whatever old story, name whoever whatever, if the movie is good then great, if it isn’t, it wouldn’t be because it’s not a faithful adaptation of half-remembered hudnreds years old story that was in turn half-remembered adaptation of a folk horror
It’s a regional story. If it was an African, or Asian, or Latin American, or American Indian story, would it be okay to make the characters European so long as the story is good?
If your answer is “Yes”, then okay at least you’re consistent, but a lot of people would disagree.
If your answer is “No, because white people are disproportionately represented in media”, that’s exactly why we should prefer making media based on other cultures and regions, rather than endlessly remaking the same European stories so Disney can protect their IP.
But many people of Asian and African descend grow up with fairytales of European origin. Some of them don’t have any relationship to the local stories from the distant places their families once came from. It’s not ok that they can adopt European culture but are not allowed to participate.
having very, very white skin is literally(literally literally) a central detail of the character.
But nah, fuck all that.
Skin color is absolutely NOT a central detail to the story, or to even most stories. What Grimm wrote in the original text has no bearing on movie being released today for new audiences. No one needs to beholden to fairytales as some sort of holy text that can’t be altered because they are fiction, and old fiction at that. Death of an author is a concept worth debating about living authors, not ones that died 2 centuries ago. Fictional characters are whatever we say they are. Make her black, make her trans, make her tall, make her Indianian, make her a a him as a gay man, none of it would change the core story about a poison apple and a jealous sorcerer. Disney has already altered countless details from their original text, so to get precious about skin color in a movie with witches, spells and magic kingdom is just ludicrous and highlights your flawed priorities.
So respectfully, her skin color makes zero difference to the important parts of the story and if that’s a problem for you, then it’s strictly a you problem.
I don’t care about her color but can we then just change the name? The entire point was that her skin was white.
Also, if skin color was the only thing then only a few racists would balk. This movie, however, is just a shit show. So yeah, you’ll have a lotmor ooeope complaining, including about her skin color which is just dumb
I could not disagree more, truly at my maximum. The point was a fairy tale with magic poison apple, nature friendly dwarves taking a runaway in and then true love breaking a spell with a kiss.
Like, srsly. Her skin color could not matter less, y’all too hung up on the name and ignoring the actual plot.
… Her name is Snow White BECAUSE her skin is white as snow.
“How I wish that I had a daughter who had skin as white as snow, lips as red as blood and hair as black as ebony.” Some time later, the queen dies giving birth to a baby daughter whom she names Snow White.
It’s like buying a red Ferrari and you get a white Volkswagen beetle, and then the car dealer telling you that it’s a car, you’re getting too hung up on a name.
And that ignores the part that all this is just virtue signalling on the part of Disney. Who cares that the story is shit, who cares that the acting, the CGI, that it’s all horrible? The main actress… IS BLACK! YOU MUST LOVE THIS NOW GIVE US YOUR MONEY!
I don’t mind watching a good movie about one armed black transexual women kicking some ass, as long as the story is good and realistic, as long as the acting is good, as long as the end product actually looks like someone gave a damn.
THIS product shows that nobody gave a damn, then they put in an actress who very much does not match the description, knowing the backlash that would follow which they figured, bad talk about this is still talking about this, yay. The actress herself didn’t help her case when she started bitching about the previous movie and how she would show us… Then the seven dwarfs became… Seven growth unstunted beings? I don’t even know how to describe it, but now dwarfs are out too, even though afaik, they are mythical dwarfs but whatever, BUT LETS NOT GET STUCK ON WORDS, RIGHT?
If we go like that then I have a bridge to sell to you. You give me a million dollars and I will give you my worn out 20 year old washing machine with a note that mentions something somehow about not getting hung up on words…
I just want a good movie. This is not a good movie and it’s just trying really hard to fool people into thinking it’s good, using very very low and cheap tricks… And it worked on you.
I regret my original comment because all it did was self select you turds to come tell me how weird you are.
Look, I don’t care about the movie, I’m never going to see it and couldn’t care less if it’s good or bad. But this impotent racist outrage is just so goddamn predictable. I have no love for Disney or any of their crappy live action adaptions, it’s a cash grab that isn’t worth thinking about.
Yet here you angry dorks are. All worked up about a black woman in movie you don’t have to see. It’s frankly pathetic and I am entirely done with giving this topic a second more of my time. You should do the same.
The problem is the story was written by shitheads. Her name is a reference to how “fair” her skin was, being white as snow with lips as red as blood and hair as black as ebony. This was a standard of beauty in 19th century Germany. That characterization is problematic in a global market with various standards of beauty.
So the racist shitheads have a quasi-valid point that the modern reimagining of a racist (and misogynist) source fairy tale isn’t quite as racist as the previous reimagining.
But the real question is why we’re reimagining old, racist fairy tales?
I’m not looking forward to hearing how Snow White isn’t “white enough” from shitheads.
I mean, even all the way back in Grimm, she’s described with “skin as white as snow, lips as red as blood and hair as black as ebony”. Like I get what you’re saying, but having very, very white skin is literally(literally literally) a central detail of the character. Hence the name.
I feel like maybe the answer isn’t to keep remaking European fairy tales. Maybe the focus should be on, I dunno, folk tales from anywhere else? Or, God forbid, an original story?
Counterpoint: it doesn’t matter as long as the movie is good. Literally who cares, take whatever parts of whatever old story, name whoever whatever, if the movie is good then great, if it isn’t, it wouldn’t be because it’s not a faithful adaptation of half-remembered hudnreds years old story that was in turn half-remembered adaptation of a folk horror
While you’re not wrong here, the race-swapping is still weird.
It’s a regional story. If it was an African, or Asian, or Latin American, or American Indian story, would it be okay to make the characters European so long as the story is good?
If your answer is “Yes”, then okay at least you’re consistent, but a lot of people would disagree.
If your answer is “No, because white people are disproportionately represented in media”, that’s exactly why we should prefer making media based on other cultures and regions, rather than endlessly remaking the same European stories so Disney can protect their IP.
But many people of Asian and African descend grow up with fairytales of European origin. Some of them don’t have any relationship to the local stories from the distant places their families once came from. It’s not ok that they can adopt European culture but are not allowed to participate.
I am gonna say this as respectfully as I can.
But nah, fuck all that.
Skin color is absolutely NOT a central detail to the story, or to even most stories. What Grimm wrote in the original text has no bearing on movie being released today for new audiences. No one needs to beholden to fairytales as some sort of holy text that can’t be altered because they are fiction, and old fiction at that. Death of an author is a concept worth debating about living authors, not ones that died 2 centuries ago. Fictional characters are whatever we say they are. Make her black, make her trans, make her tall, make her Indianian, make her a a him as a gay man, none of it would change the core story about a poison apple and a jealous sorcerer. Disney has already altered countless details from their original text, so to get precious about skin color in a movie with witches, spells and magic kingdom is just ludicrous and highlights your flawed priorities.
So respectfully, her skin color makes zero difference to the important parts of the story and if that’s a problem for you, then it’s strictly a you problem.
Would that logic apply to traditional stories from all cultures around the world?
But … she is literally called “SnowWhite”
I don’t care about her color but can we then just change the name? The entire point was that her skin was white.
Also, if skin color was the only thing then only a few racists would balk. This movie, however, is just a shit show. So yeah, you’ll have a lotmor ooeope complaining, including about her skin color which is just dumb
I could not disagree more, truly at my maximum. The point was a fairy tale with magic poison apple, nature friendly dwarves taking a runaway in and then true love breaking a spell with a kiss.
Like, srsly. Her skin color could not matter less, y’all too hung up on the name and ignoring the actual plot.
… Her name is Snow White BECAUSE her skin is white as snow.
You get too hung up on the LITERAL NAME.
It’s like buying a red Ferrari and you get a white Volkswagen beetle, and then the car dealer telling you that it’s a car, you’re getting too hung up on a name.
And that ignores the part that all this is just virtue signalling on the part of Disney. Who cares that the story is shit, who cares that the acting, the CGI, that it’s all horrible? The main actress… IS BLACK! YOU MUST LOVE THIS NOW GIVE US YOUR MONEY!
I don’t mind watching a good movie about one armed black transexual women kicking some ass, as long as the story is good and realistic, as long as the acting is good, as long as the end product actually looks like someone gave a damn.
THIS product shows that nobody gave a damn, then they put in an actress who very much does not match the description, knowing the backlash that would follow which they figured, bad talk about this is still talking about this, yay. The actress herself didn’t help her case when she started bitching about the previous movie and how she would show us… Then the seven dwarfs became… Seven growth unstunted beings? I don’t even know how to describe it, but now dwarfs are out too, even though afaik, they are mythical dwarfs but whatever, BUT LETS NOT GET STUCK ON WORDS, RIGHT?
If we go like that then I have a bridge to sell to you. You give me a million dollars and I will give you my worn out 20 year old washing machine with a note that mentions something somehow about not getting hung up on words…
I just want a good movie. This is not a good movie and it’s just trying really hard to fool people into thinking it’s good, using very very low and cheap tricks… And it worked on you.
I regret my original comment because all it did was self select you turds to come tell me how weird you are.
Look, I don’t care about the movie, I’m never going to see it and couldn’t care less if it’s good or bad. But this impotent racist outrage is just so goddamn predictable. I have no love for Disney or any of their crappy live action adaptions, it’s a cash grab that isn’t worth thinking about.
Yet here you angry dorks are. All worked up about a black woman in movie you don’t have to see. It’s frankly pathetic and I am entirely done with giving this topic a second more of my time. You should do the same.
The problem is the story was written by shitheads. Her name is a reference to how “fair” her skin was, being white as snow with lips as red as blood and hair as black as ebony. This was a standard of beauty in 19th century Germany. That characterization is problematic in a global market with various standards of beauty.
So the racist shitheads have a quasi-valid point that the modern reimagining of a racist (and misogynist) source fairy tale isn’t quite as racist as the previous reimagining.
But the real question is why we’re reimagining old, racist fairy tales?
I think I’m lost, can you elaborate on how is Snowwhite a racist fairytale?
Apparently being white is racist or something idk I’m not a lefty.