The attack on the 50-year-old executive—allegedly by the now 27-year-old Luigi Mangione—immediately sparked an outpouring of public fury not at the gunman, but at UnitedHealthcare itself.
I can’t even start to understand how a healthcare organization has a stock price. They should be nonprofits to start with.
And this brings up the other thing they are struggling to recover from. They were sued by blackrock for taking care of people too well.
Blackrock, that investment firm that you can’t even divest from because your pension is tied to it. Which really peels back some layers on root cause analysis. Because blackrock and vanguard get management of this money pretty much by default when there is an institutional pension they have fuck you money. As in fuck you, it’s my money till 40 years in the future.
The Healthcare United CEO is just middle management. All he’s doing is taking orders in hopes doing that enough means his company survives. If he doesn’t then the private equity firms and banks just fund the guy who will.
Larry Fink is the real management.
They weren’t sued for helping take care of people. It was a misleading headline. Theyre getting sued for failing to commit to taking care of stock holders.
However, while it’s understandable for consumers to get angry at their health insurers, it is also important to remember “there is no easy answer” for such companies as they navigate costs and care, Jonathan Gruber, a professor of economics at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, told Newsweek.
There is a very easy answer. Eliminate the health insurance companies. They do not improve healthcare and serve only to increase costs by extracting profit.
Luigi offers an easy answer
The profit motive does not belong in any industry of necessity.
The capitalists have metastasized into education, Healthcare, and bastardized any and all forms of food to maximize profit at the expense of their humanity.
They’ve brought us to our knees, and before the capitalists are done, death will be a mercy to most.
Education in the US was at its height when it received ample public funding.
death will be a mercy to most.
In the future, it will be a privilege to die, at least the way this train currently going
They are a wholly unnecessary middleman extracting a rent where none is due. They slow down the speed of care and needlessly complicate a very simple system.
It should not exist. They’re the landlords of medicine. Entirely pointless and nothing more than a detriment to the profession, service, and function of healthcare no matter if its picking up a z-pack for bronchitis or having a tumor removed. Healthcare insurance serves no purpose whatsoever.
A single, (truly) non profit insurer that has no ability to deny coverage and is fully funded by income tax could have an administrative purpose.
I’m not a specialist of the US healthcare problem but if we believe Marc Cuban, insurance is not the biggest cost problem.
[Masters of Scale] Rapid Response: How Cost Plus Drugs is revolutionizing pharma, with CEO Alex Oshmyansky #mastersOfScale https://podcastaddict.com/masters-of-scale/episode/187310275 via @PodcastAddict
Prosecute United Healthcare for murdering their policy holders.
Literally murdering. They were asking healthcare providers at assisted living facilities to change elderly patients’ records to add DNRs that the patients hadn’t authorized.
Literally altering medical records to make sure people die instead of costing money.
Fucking excellent. Hope we see a hundred more Luigi’s.
Removed by mod
I think a lot about a post I read that said something like “You hate every piece of capitalism, but you won’t connect the dots to see the big picture.”
People want to blame the queers or the blacks or the muslims or whatever, but it’s the capitalist class that’s shitting up the world. That’s why everything’s expensive and shitty, the environment is collapsing, everyone’s stressed and can’t get enough sleep.
If they happen, the media will never let us see them. Just assume it’s happening and we’re all fed up with this shit.
Maybe they are happening and we don’t hear
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/employee-charged-killing-of-trucking-ceo-crestwood/
There are these blips but none of them really match the impact we got here. Maybe they learned to play them down, maybe the story as compelling.
The United Healthcare incident has the same vibe as Occupy Wall Street. That makes rich people very nervous.
Whilst, I understand your emotion. Always remember violence is never the answer. While, I agree one of the consequences of consensus based discussion is giving idiots a voice but by doing so is the only way forward.
You would let nazi Germany take over the world instead of going to war, because violence is never the answer?
Violence is absolutely the fucking answer sometimes.
Every right, legal or even just societal, that you have, down to fucking weekends and 40 hour work weeks existing as a concept, is because people less cowardly than you were willing to fight for them. Not fight with protest signs and stern facial expressions, but literal fights to the death. Like unions in shoot outs against the national guard kind of fights. Your platitudes are the result of brainwashing from an education system that intentionally leaves out the most important parts of history to convince us never to use the only tool that’s ever worked.
Free Luigi, and compensate him with a few million dollars from United Healths bloated coffers for inflicting so much anguish on this innocent young man.
“corporate tragedy”
The Shakespeare of our time
The United Healthcare AI that killed your grandmother and mine is still at large.
We can talk about Luigi’s alleged crime once this systemic violence is deposed.
AI is just like the “illegals” that “stole” your job. Profits dictated that the company hire someone for much less than you. AI didn’t invent itself to steal your job. AI didn’t wake up and decide it’s gonna let Grandma die in the nursing home. The company let AI do it, set the guidelines in which AI would come to that conclusion and ultimately pointed AI at every customer and hit the on button.
Please don’t manufacture this as an AI crisis. It’s a healthcare crisis caused by greedy people. End of story.
Fair point. AI is a tool.
In the hands of Anarchists, we could use AI to make Salvador Allende’s CyberSyn dream come true, even without a State.
And in the hands of Capitalists, it is a tool for mass murder. That doesn’t absolve the murderers. It condemns them all the more for their lack of imagination, their inability to see beyond their quarterly profits.
Isn’t this headline a bit legally sketchy being at he’s not been sentenced yet
This comment is legally sketchy being that in order to be sentenced you need to be guilty? He hasn’t been found guilty yet.
ESPECIALLY, since he was at my place, playing PS5 with me, when the Murder allegedly happened!
And either before or after he was at my place vibe coding some fixes for civ6. Guy is a real GOAT.
I was there when the murder happened. It was a one armed man. This whole thing is a witch hunt.
united health ceo shot hisself
Sorry yeah I meant that my brain went a step forward 😬
Oh no…
Anyway
Luigi allegedly killed one man
United Health kills thousands on a regular basis
EDIT: … thanks for the clarification (I’ll remember it from now on)
Luigi has yet to be convicted of anything, but the sentiment remains.
That’s even better
Luigi allegedly killed one man
United Health most definitely kills thousands on a regular basis as a matter of company savings and profits
I should additionally mention that I find the evidence that has been publicized so far has not convinced me they even have the right fucking guy
The nose is the wrong shape
I don’t think feds have not even turned it over to defense? Haven’t checked recently. But that’s a huge red flag. What happened with that chain of custody daddy?
ALLEGEDLY
I would actually pay real money to be on that jury.
Just remember: the answer to the question “do you know what jury nullification is” is “no, I’ve never heard of that”
yep, I dont know what you mean by that.
Exactly.
I love reading a feel-good story.
We gotta take anything we read on media sites like Newsweek with a shovel of salt. Newsweek is a shadow of its former self.
That said, yeah United’s stock evaluation took a huge hit. But it’s still higher than it’s been in decades. It’s likely to turn around as these kinds of companies have a lot of tricks for restructuring and continuing business as usual. We have a long way to go before we see these kinds of companies actually fear the people they’re supposed to be serving.
Honestly don’t trust Newsweek at all. Kept on promoting the idea that Biden totally had the election, comforting lies is all they provide and I don’t read the news to feel at ease.
Regime propaganda. Ton of that happened on many communities on fedi too.
Great news and this comment would get me banned elsewhere and that’s why I am here .
reddit would most likely ban you, due to 2 layers of filtering system, sitewide and subreddit filters.
I’m pretty sure lemmy.world will ban you for “promoting violence”, but it probably varies by community.
Reddit or Lemmy. World?
Considering this is a Lemmy world post, I would say reddit
This isn’t one of the tankie Instances right?? I’m on the world one as well
Nope, violent zionists, boot lickers, and neck beards, like normal reddit.
Maybe 50% less open about it
Tankies are lemmygrad and .ml, to a less serious about themselves extent; hexbear.
The important thing is the friends we make along the way.
Oh. Shit. I guess my life is hollow and meaningless, then.
{sotto voce} pssst: Everyone’s is. Some just don’t realise it.
Lemmy.world is meant to be a general, politically neutral instance. It’s not unmoderated but it’s not using its moderation policy to silence opposition like Reddit or Lemmy.ml
I don’t think you can be mad at a site that explicitly tries to be for the mainstream for holding mainstream positions like being pro-Israel or pro-Capitalism
meant to be
Theory rarely lives up to real world implementation
neutral
No such thing does or can exist on the scale of generality you’re discussingwho are you accommodating, what do you actually mean? Neutral to whom? Don’t say “everybody”; that would be a lie.
does not use its moderation policy to silence opposition
Opposition to what? You’re giving me glimpses of a position here, saying you have one, and denying you have one.
for the mainstream holding mainstream positions
Okay that’s not “neutral” that’s “popular”. These are not remotely the same word. Please be more careful with your use of language in the future.
such as being pro israel
Which isn’t popular, it’s astroturfed. Not the same.
and pro capitalism
So, that hasn’t been genuinely popular in a while, we just cant agree what to do about it.
Neutral in its moderation policy. They don’t remove posts, communities, or comments based off of ideology. Conservative, liberal, and left wingers all post here.
Opposition as in silencing the opposition to the beliefs of the admin/moderation team. Such as lemmy.ml removing comments for being pro-capitalism or anti-CCP or Reddit shadow banning anti-ai, anti-spez, or anti-capitalism, or a number of other topics that end with people being shadow banned. Lemmy.world isn’t perfect in its moderation but when it does mess up, [email protected] is there to call them out.
Being pro-Israel is not that same as approving their actions in Gaza. Being pro-genocide is not popular but being pro-Israel is and has been for the last 60 years. It wasn’t until the war in Gaza that Israel had net negative favorability 1
Only on left-wing echo chambers is capitalism not popular. Yes people want reform and so capitalism doesn’t poll as well as it used to in favorability but Americans are still overwhelmingly for capitalism 2
Maybe things are different in Europe, I can’t say. I don’t live there.
Not trying to be a nerd, citing sources and saying “uhm actually” I just very much enjoy, Lemmy, Lemmy.world, and the posters of Lemmy.ml, I just don’t care for Reddit or the admins of .ml, grad, or hexbear.
Sorry for being vague. I meant specific places like news and politics on there. Those mods censored pro Luigi sentiment after the ceo got blessed.
Mods blamed admins and “law” but funny enough the main luigi is on that server also!
So mods are just lying sacks of shit and that shill regime propaganda.
I will never forget Jordan Lund sliding into another in related community where luigi discussion was happening and letting everyone know that he monitoring it. He was not a mod for the community. JFC 🤡
The banhammer is a disagree button.
.world is fine as long as you know how to speak in plausible deniability.
Let’s not mess with Costco and costplusdrug please. Not all ceo are bad.
“if you raise the price of the hot dog, I will fucking kill you.”
The hot dog is a loss leader. They want you paying your membership fees, and that hot dog keeps you paying. While you’re paying, you probably also shovel a ton of money into the store buying all sorts of stuff. It may be a good deal for you, but it’s a fantastic deal for costco.
The idea is that companies should pursue profit, but not if the full fucking you without lube sense. Costco of course seeks to be profitable, but it has an “ethical” limit about to do so without harming the customers too much
Damn, now I really want a costco hot dog.
Technically, you don’t need a membership for the food court, pharmacy, or to purchase alcohol, but the loss leader point still stands… Also the fact that we’re talking about it now proves that it works.
No membership required for costco’s food court.
That’s changing now
Costco CEO is already covered as soon as they raise the price of the hot dog combo.
Incorrect, they’re just temporarily not as bad as they could be.
Googles motto was “don’t be evil” they silently retired it as soon as it suited them to be evil.
Let’s hope for the best!!
This is how they learn! Operant* Conditioning.
Lol what? No good CEO is good enough.
Typical
No im a proud tankie triad commie who flunked out of middle school and cant keep a job for more than a month. Everyone who has subordinates or wears glasses is the opressor.
Have they tried not being evil by design?
BUT THE SHAREHOLDERS! /s
Literally. They got sued over it.
Maybe we need to be targeting share holders and not just CEOs
We tried being more evil, and when that didn’t work, we doubled down. We dont know why it isn’t working.
- UnitedHealthCare
They tried being slightly less evil and their shareholders sued them.
Yes, but the profit growth rate decreased marginally, which was deemed absolutely unacceptable.
I don’t give a single shit about the welfare or public approval of any large profit corporation. I care even less about UHC specifically.
Anyone who still works there is complicit. The entire health insurance industry needs to be taken down and everyone involved shunned from society forever. It’s an atrocity.
Hey, where do you work? - Oh I work in the health insurance industry - That’s disgusting, I am leaving.
I would absolutely have this exact interaction. Including anyone working in finance.
Are you Winnie the Pooh? Because this is blustery as fuck.
I work in health insurance, and I just can’t bear the thought that you and I might never be friends.
But looking for a job is hard, and honestly this one is really good for me. It suits my narrow skillset, and it gives me a great work-life balance, which is the main thing I’m looking for while my kids are young. I quit my more demanding oil job to take this one so I could be there for them.
But if you have some kind of plan for how I could reform the entire industry by quitting my job at the bottom rung of a middling insurance company, I’ll gladly do it. I could always go back to working in finance.
Otherwise this is all just thoughtless, impotent bluster, untempered by life experience.
In real life, most of the people who work at insurance companies are doing their best to keep the system running, because people do depend on it despite its flaws, and I don’t have any more power to change it than you do.
I’m not a ‘we won’t be friends’ person. But I do think this is a really poor response. Who you work for is one of the biggest ethical decisions you make. You take years of training and skills and you use them for 40+ hours a week to… Well, support the actions of an industry that brings misery to millions of people.
Getting a job is hard, but it’s not impossible. And you’re choosing avoiding that discomfort over making life worse for people. You may be but a tiny cog in a giant machine, but if that cog has to turn you’re part of the problem.
I know this is gonna come off as aggressive. I have no beef with you personally, and you are but one of hundreds of millions of people shrugging and working in destructive of unethical enterprises. But that shrugging is the system. Collectively the system doesn’t work without you all dedicating half your waking life to it.
I do wish you the best, but hope you’ll eventually do the hard thing. Because it’s the right thing.
You make it sound like I’m working at a concentration camp.
The reason the US healthcare industry hasn’t been completely overhauled yet is that it does still help people.
If doesn’t help enough people. It’s not good enough. It needs to change. But the harm it causes is a side effect, not the main goal.
If every cog suddenly resigned tomorrow, it would cause catastrophic and immediate harm to millions of people. Besides, that’s not how change happens.
It’s not the “right” thing to do to miss my kids’ formative years looking for another job, for absolutely no practical benefit to anyone.
The main goal is also not helping people. The goal is money. Helping people is a side effect. If those corporations were to have more difficulty finding people to work those jobs because people find them morally repugnant, then the business would do worse, and another system could take its place. As it is, you are helping to entrench their position while wailing that NOT doing that would be SO HARD!!
That doesn’t make any sense. The level of outrage that would be required to pull off what you’re describing is far higher than what would be required to change the system through other means.
If people can’t come together to vote for healthcare reform, do you honestly think there’s any chance that a workers’ strike will spontaneously break out? It’s not an actionable plan. The practical outcome of me quitting is that my life and my family’s life gets worse. That’s it. There’s no benefit to anyone.
And yeah, it is fucking hard. I’m in my 40s with crippling ADHD and a narrow skillset. My wife has a similarly severe physical handicap, so I’m working my ass off every day to give my kids a healthy, happy childhood, bringing them to daycare and school, cooking healthy meals, and trying to give them a safe, loving environment to grow up in while the world crumbles into fascism around me.
I’ve worked at “hard” jobs. I’ve woken up at dawn just to get my kids ready, just so I can work all day and pick them up at sunset, just so I can get home, cook dinner, and get them to bed, never at any point having a chance to spend a minute of quality time with them.
I’m lucky and grateful to have a job that allows me a good work-life balance.
This purity test is bullshit, and I think it comes from a place of privilege and inexperience. You’re unironically being the “Yet you live in a society. Curious!” meme right now.
But if you have some kind of plan for how I could reform the entire industry by quitting my job at the bottom rung of a middling insurance company, I’ll gladly do it.
Translation: Someone else has to be responsible for fixing everything before I will take any responsibility for my participation in the obviously corrupt and exploitive system.
You seem to have misunderstood my point. Such a plan couldn’t exist, because that’s not how change works.
Don’t worry. We won’t be friends.
Well, maybe one day. You never know.
I work in health insurance, and I just can’t bear the thought that you and I might never be friends.
Then stop working for Satan, and maybe you’ll be able to be their friend. Oh, wait, let’s check what else you might say first:
But looking for a job is hard, and honestly this one is really good for me
Gotcha, you can’t stop working for Satan because it’s suuuuch a goooood jooooooob! Fuck off and die like the people who have to deal with your industry, scum
It’s blustery? In what way?
I am disgusted by you and your entire life’s work. You are revolting in your careless approach to morality and accountability.
I do not care what you think about me or my views because your own are so clearly lacking any critical thought.
Bro, you need to touch some fucking grass.
What does that mean? To ground myself in reality and reconnect with what is truly important…?
Like not being abused by every single institution and organization in existence? That reality? To reconnect with family and friends and loving each other? That stuff that these corps care about so much?
Tell me, how does it help them to be LESS pissed off about their mutilation at corporate hands?
Why is that better?
Shake hands with the devil, don’t complain when you get burned.
That might be the edgiest thing anyone has ever said to me. After you wrote it did you immediately walk away from an explosion without looking back?
Your reaction is telling. Instead of considering my comment, you attack and redirect instead. Perhaps a bit of guilt, maybe some fear of self-reflection?
Instead of considering your badass catchphrase?
Ok, I’ll take a moment to consider it.
Yeah, I think it’s a little over the top.
Yes exactly. Life isn’t that black and white.
It is in some ways. This is one of them.
Agreed, it is murder for profit. In a sane world whatever Luigi allegedly did would be considered self defense in the least. Some could say it was heroic to bring attention to such evil.
That’s all the US Healthcare industry… nay Capitalism in general is
We are just a few “not guilty” rulings from a self defense precedent for these heroic acts.
Jury Nullification.
Plenty of people join a system to try and improve it, even if that’s naive.
Job market is crap right now, but anyone who feels like a cog should probably be spamming out job apps, yeah.
Either way, I can guarantee that there are a lot of employees in the company that would love to change it from the inside.
I can also guarantee that a good chunk of the company is offshore and probably doesn’t care as much about how it’s impacting the USA.
It sounds like you do care ❤️
