I’m what’s known as a chronic hopper. I’m always on the lookout for new software, especially when it comes to browsers and Linux distros, but I’m here to ask you about browsers specifically. I’m fairly sure I know most of them, but I want to really know why you run what you do. In return, I will give you my experiences with the browsers that I have tried and why I hopped from them if I did.

Don’t feel the need to read the list. I’ll be more than happy to just hear your answers!

  • Firefox: One of the grand-daddy browsers. I honestly didn’t hop from it due to anything specific, but more that I’ve used it so much that I needed a change.
  • Chrome: I used this very little. Just being on it made my skin crawl. However, I still keep it around in a container because some sites straight up tell you that you have to use it to access their dashboards or application forms. While that is now much less these days (as most things will now ask for Chrome or Firefox now), it still does happen, especially on dated government sites that get updated like… once a decade…
  • Opera GX: Yup, I fell into the hype. I think I used this for all of a month before recognizing it as over-engineered and needlessly bloated. It pulls you in with gimmicks and pretty lights and that’s pretty much all it has. A browser that’s literally built on smoke and mirrors and pushy advertising.
  • Brave: There’s been a lot of huff about Brave lately, but back when it launched and wasn’t very mainstream it was the smoothest and a relatively more secure browser than the competition. There was a time when nearly everyone ran Brave. The problem started when they began to opt you into gimmicks and extra things you didn’t need without your permission. That was a turnoff for me. I outed before things really went downhill. -Floorp: A random find from exploring Linux for the first time. I was running Pop!_OS and found it on the store. I’ve never experienced such a smooth Firefox fork before. It really is barebones, but has a lot of customization built in. Instead of the custom options piling on one another, most of them change how it works on a foundational level. The style of your UI and tabs, side tabs, fading URL bar buttons, and a lot more. At it’s core, Floorp is a stripped down and security first FF fork developed in Japan. I took the time to translate the TOS pages, and most of it is promising that there is no data collection. It’s fairly vetted and trusted from what I’ve researched.
  • Vivaldi: Still one of my favorite browsers when I went back to Windows, but probably has the most bugs I’ve seen in any browser. It got better once they swapped to React portals, but Vivaldi (Windows version) would occasionally freeze my whole PC or else I’d BSOD. This was a combination of the browser’s stability and making my own custom CSS for it, but overall it frustrated me more than other browsers.
  • Qutebrowser: Still one of my favorites, and a must-have for me even if its not my main browser. I was diving into the Vimium extension for Firefox, which in turn led me to Neovim, which led me to Qutebrowser. There’s a few main points as to why I don’t use it as my go-to. First, its not very good at squashing first-party ads. Even though you can combo custom ad block lists, Brave adblock, and python-adblock, it just can’t seem to get them all. Second, I rely on my history when browsing YouTube and if you want to get around ads, your best bet is to write a custom shortcut that opens links in MPV/VLC. There are Greasemonkey scripts that should increase ad speed to a fraction of a second and auto-skip, but none of them ever worked for me and most are ancient.
  • Nyxt: My next logical step after Qutebrowser was Nyxt. However, I’ve never managed to figure out how to work it. I haven’t really done any extensive bug testing, but when it opens its just a blank window and there’s not much I could find for documentation on it. Part of me wonders if there’s something that only trusted people know that gets it working, the other part wonders if I’m just missing some sort of library or dependency. From here I went back to Floorp for a while. -Zen: I was very excited when I found this browser. Another Firefox fork, it aims to be much like Arc browser, but adds a lot more on top of that. However, in recent months I find they’ve become a little too ambitious. If you asked me two months ago, I would tell you that Zen felt just as smooth as Floorp, but these days its much, much laggier. The scrolling is choppy, the pages load slow. I use the same exact extensions on Zen as I do Floorp and the difference now is night and day. I’ve also tested this on fresh, no-extras no-extension installations and the results are the same. Zen tends to change things and instead of letting the user opt into the additions or changes, they force the changes in their updates. That type of development model just isn’t really for me. I don’t want to have to re-figure out how to use my browser every few days.

So there it is. I hop a LOT. Honorable mention is Ladybird and I’ve tested it a little. It is extremely alpha, being just a portal with the basics you need for browsing, but I’m amazed at what they’ve done so far and very excited for it’s release. For now I’ve returned to Floorp and am very happy with it. I’m very curious to know why you like what you do, whether its just because its what you’ve used for a long time or if there’s something that you can’t do without.

Also, please excuse me if this question has been asked before. I didn’t want to necro an old post and I want to be able to reply and ask more questions! I’ve seen many posts discussing a single browser, but I want a more general view. I’m very interested, because the Lemmy community often values their privacy and their rights, which is a major factor in choosing software for me.

Edit: I feel like I’m answering very quickly, but want you to know that I’m not a bot nor using AI. I type at 110wpm in Dvorak. Typing is a huge hobby of mine and would never use AI to do something I love to do for me. I’m set on getting to 200wpm (100 was my first goal). That being said, I can’t answer everyone, so I’m sorry if I missed your reply!

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    Vivaldi

    • I love the UI and its customizability
    • They are active participants in the Fediverse (@[email protected]) and they even have their own Mastodon instance for users (Vivaldi.social)
    • Based in Europe
    • Most importantly, they reject the crypto and AI hype trains

    My backup is Firefox but I have also been trying out Librewolf.

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      Zen Browser keeps me from going back to Vivaldi (I do love Vivaldi, don’t get me wrong). They added the best of Vivaldi to Firefox. Workspaces, essential tabs, tiled tab windows, and side toolbars. There’s a mod that reorganizes the theming to work with Firefox themes, but you can also right click the tab bar and pick any color under the sun, even multicolor gradients (I think up to 5 colors).

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      16 hours ago

      I’m a big fan of Vivaldi as well for all the reason you mentioned, but also it’s more lightweight than Chrome and still supports uBlock

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    Librewolf, although i tested zen browser for a while and since then i am running a vertical tab bar - it made me realize that this way the screen space is used much better! Had the same lag issues with zen, but i’ll keep it installed and will check it out again later, because stuff like the sneak peek is great!

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    Zen browser at the moment, it includes a lot of UI and UX tweaks that I was already trying to do via CSS and extensions in Firefox, but it does them a lot cleaner. Definitely an opinionated appearance though, won’t be for everyone but so far I am enjoying it. My only gripe has been that I can’t disable workspaces and keeping them active seems to keep a hidden tab open all the time, so closing a window always asks me to confirm “closing 2 tabs” even though I have 1 or none open.

    I previously was using Librewolf to disable Mozilla’s tracking, but after it wiped my browsing history and made some weird user agent change which broke almost every website I have given up on it. The extra bit of privacy wasn’t worth the headache, and the TOR-like defaults exemplify that it’s a more hardcore browser than I need. As far as I can Zen browser is about the same as vanilla Firefox for privacy issues, so not perfect but not as bad as Chrome.

    I refuse to use anything Chromium anymore, but I tried out a bunch of those as well some years ago. Vivaldi was my favourite for it’s features, but man whatever they did to tweak the UI resulted in a lot of bugs… I had weekly crashes on that browser over two different hardware setups.

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      This is the way.

      Zen’s UI is great, and it has better defaults for privacy than Firefox does, as well as having its own mods repository on top of all the standard Firefox webextensions. (Try “better find bar”, “floating history” and “floating status bar” if you haven’t already, they make the last few bits of the UI look consistent)

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        I actually used Orion Browser I thought it was fantastic but I quickly got some weird bugs and had to go back to using safari. My Go to browsers and Zen, Vivaldi and Safari (because of how power efficient it is on my MacBook).

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          There’s nothing wrong with Safari at all. I have my irks with Apple tech, but honestly they’re probably one of the safer big corporations imo. I do love Airpods, though. I have a pair of Max and I can’t get by with any other headphones now, lol. I just can’t get used to mac and iOS, especially since I love open source android apps.

          Makes sense about Orion. Its still brand new. Zen and Vivaldi are two of my absolute favorites, as well. I just switched back to Zen. I felt that Zen was weirdly more sluggish than Floorp for some reason. I mulled on it a bit and figured it out. mousewheel.default.delta_multiplier_y is set to 300 in Floorp and 200 in Zen. I set it to 300 and it feels so much better.

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            Safari is my daily driver but I also have Firefox and edge installed for other things. I was just anticipating getting shit on for actually liking safari.

            Firefox is fast and useful for stubborn web pages that just refuse to cooperate. Edge is great for when I need a chromium browser for something since I refuse to install chrome on my hardware. Sometimes I need webserial and that’s just not going to happen in safari. Firefox is good for quick dives into I2P and other funkiness I want to play around with.

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              I usually try to opt for Vivaldi for anything I need for Chromium. I know Microsoft too well at this point (since Windows 3.14). Like, Swiftkey is my favorite android keyboard and I forced myself to learn how to use Thumbkey. That’s how much I just can’t trust them anymore.

              I only use Chrome if I’m going to be doing web development. That being said, I have heard decent things about Edge’s performance lately. I could have dealt with MS shoving AI down my throat, but pics of my screen and ads in my start bar was the last straw.

              Too bad I enjoy Github and Minecraft… otherwise I’d avoid their software altogether.

              I actually trust Apple’s security. They make bank on high end devices for high prices, enough where they don’t need to rely on collecting and selling user data. Iirc, the only thing that really collects your data is Apple Music and Apple TV, but every paid sub streaming platform does that.

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    What about the Mullvad browser? Seems to work well and is very privacy focused. I’m surprised no one else has mentioned it yet…

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    I use multiple browsers for different things:

    Vivaldi - for work or personal projects because the workspaces and tab stacking allows me to keep an “L1 cache” of all the sites relevant to parts of projects I’m working on. Then when I’m done with that work the useful ones get bookmarked for future use.

    Firefox - personal browsing i.e. watching stuff, shopping, etc. because I wanted off chrome so I could continue to use adblockers.

    Brave - research purposes.

    Opera - for the occasional use of a VPN for getting around geoblocking.

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    I skimmed all the comments and it looks like I’ll be the first: Chrome. Not Chromium, or any fork. Just Google Chrome. Even on my Ubuntu HTPC.

    I’ve used it since it was new and blew everything else out of the water for smoothness. Over time I’ve gotten used to features like sync and profiles, and tab groups. Now my life is too busy to put ideology over convenience, and since uBlock Lite seems to work fine for me on Manifest v3, I really don’t have a particularly strong reason to change.

    My second browser is Firefox, but it’s literally only for NSFW things. To try migrating over, they would have to implement profiles better so that this can coexist with my main usage.

    Sometimes I also use Edge to keep different logins, although I could also achieve the same with profiles on Chrome now.

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      14 hours ago

      I’ll give you an upvote for courage, lol. I just can’t do it, myself. I’m not a fan of Google’s moral ethics. Every time I open Chrome I feel vulnerable.

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    Vivaldi, hands down my favorite. I haven’t had any bug issues of pc freezes or anything. And I have maaaany tabs open. Built-in stuff like ad blocker etc means less 3rd party extensions, I cannot live without mouse gestures, the multiple workspaces is perfect for me with all my tabs open (neatly sorted). Only downside imo is that it’s chromium.

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      I really love Vivaldi, but Zen took over for me. It has Workspaces and even tab tiling. It also has something called Essential Tabs, which tile as buttons at the top of your tab bar.

      https://docs.zen-browser.app/user-manual/workspaces

      There’s also Glance Mode, which will open a whole page in a hovering preview over your current page. It really can do some crazy stuff with tabs.

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        When you lock a tab in Vivaldi it also becomes a button in the tab bar.

        I’m going to check out Zen, thanks! Does it have mouse gestures? I cannot live without. I had Firefox as a second browser which would access the internet without a VPN just for streaming services, but it was aids as I keep on doing mouse gestures and nothing happens because it’s not Vivaldi lol

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          I can’t either. Use the Gesturefy Firefox extension. Even has custom user gestures if you need and can you can change existing gestures.

          I’ve tried the others, but Gesturefy seems to work best and I’ve been using it for years.

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            You tell me now haha! I don’t have Firefox anymore. Because I don’t have streaming services anymore. It’s all usenet now. One streaming service to see it all? I happily pay. Even 2, no problem. But now it’s so much, with ads and poor quality for insane prices… So, I’m a pirate again :)

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              If you want to have one streaming service to rule them all, that’d be Stremio. I don’t know how specific I want to get in this community, but there’s ways of turning it into a torrent streamer. I pay $3.75 a month for it using debrid and have access to everything, even obscure movies. However, I always seed what I watch to at least 5x.

              Stremio has an app for Android, Samsung TV, Windows, and Linux. I think mac and iOS, too, but I don’t run those at all so I’m not sure. You can use catalog plugins to mimic Netflix, Hulu, etc. But you can also use it with your Netflix, Prime and other such streaming accounts.

              Edit: Also, with debrid, you don’t need a VPN. It does all the anonymity for you. That’s the only thing that you have to pay for.

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                I have usenet and a fully automated system for movies (radarr) and for series (sonarr) running 24/7 on my NAS. I pay 7 per month and twice 25 euros per year for indexers. Every movie and series I add is automatically downloaded, repaired, extracted, renamed, moved to the right folder. All series are stored in the folder “Series” under its own subfolder, with in it subfolders for the seasons. Each episode is named as “[series name] S01E01 [episode name]”. Whenever a new episode airs, it is immedialty downloaded. As soon as I open Kodi I see what’s new and in sonarr and radarr are calenders as well. I decide the quality I want. I can download subtitles in kodi through opensubtitles.

                I have a 32TB NAS and I’m going to host my own free streaming service for close friends as soon as they finally install a fiberglass connection in my street (planned for 2 years now). My current upload speed sucks, so now people can only download single episodes every time. But 1gb/s upload with fiberglass connection would do the trick.

                Because I pay for usenet I pay for privacy rights and I dont upload. So I everything I do which is illegal is downloading but that info isn’t shared due to privacy. Next to that downloading isn’t punished in my country. Uploaders are being hunted, and downloading with torrents also uploads to others. Next to that, many torrent streamers are cloned and contain malware, crypto miners, ads, other junk. I don’t trust torrents anymore, there’s so much harmful junk spread through torrents these days. The usenet indexers I use are all closed communities so all trusted data. I’m also a member of some closed torrent communities but I rarely use them. Only for video games, as triple A game devs create expensive but boring bug simulators so they don’t deserve my money. But I still want to check it out sometimes, then to be disappointed after 2-3h as expected. I’d rather give my money to decent indie devs.

                So legally I’m safe, I can watch anything I like and all I have to do for it is add it to my list, choose quality profile and what to download: everything, latest season, only future episodes, etc. I’m never switching to anything else anymore. I did when Netflix came, but now since everything is so fragmented, this is heaven so I dusted off my old pirate hat.

                Whats also funny, because I don’t have a streaming service, I never agreed to their user agreements, so as a pirate I have more rights (and freedom, better quality, no ads, more choice, no junk clutter) than a paying customer.

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                  That’s why I don’t have any subscription services as well (aside from VPN and Debrid). I’m now less legally bound than those who use “legal” services (if you count extortion as legal).

                  Ngl, I’m going to bookmark this reply and see if I can get something similar set up. However, I will still have to look around for when communities open registration. The closest thing I was in back in the day was Demonoid when it first launched. I got in early through a friend who was a trusted member. Yes, it was torrents, but it was a completely private torrent economy.

                  That being said, torrents are still a security risk. I’ve just been using them for so long that I know the right channels and uploaders to go through in the public scene. I haven’t had a single malicious file fot my last 8 years on Windows. Now that I’m on Linux, the risk is a bit less. There’s still risk, but not as bad.

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    I use Brave since some extensions I use don’t work on Firefox and I prefer it as well. Once you turn off all of the crypto and other bloat - it’s the best browser ever, at least for me.

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    I’ve been using Zen for about a month now and I’m very happy with it. I like the design and feel of it, and it’s actively being developed all the time. Don’t think I’ve had any significant bugs (except a few very minor ones) or issues whilst using it yet.