• Eldritch@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    No one should defend anyone spewing slurs. Regardless of economic orientation. But guess who supports people existing regardless of their politics, and who uses certain people existing as a political weapon.

    It isn’t that the left doesn’t follow the meme. It’s that you don’t understand it on a basic level. If anyone scapegoats and use slurs against vulnerable groups fuck you. But we still support your access to healthcare, and the ability for you to meet a fulfilling standard of living. Same as everyone else. That doesn’t mean anyone has to tolerate slurs or personal attacks.

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      4 days ago

      Then are we not opponents of the (far-)right in this “culture war?” Is that not what it is?

      Feel free to explain instead of declaring that the problem is that I don’t understand and then fucking off like doing that helped me understand.

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        3 days ago

        Only if we choose to be. Only if we adopt their language. Only if we accept their premise. Which is exactly what they want and exactly how they win.

        Trans people are just people. What’s in their pants truly doesn’t matter. Conservative accusations don’t need defending against. That’s reactionary. They need to be actively attacked as projections of their own ignorance, stupidity, and horrible nature.

        There is nothing valid in their claims to warrant needing to defend against them. In children pre puberty, there’s no real valid reason to separate the sexes at all. Post puberty, if they’re on hormone blockers they’re they’re the ones at a disadvantage if they choose to compete in sports. Bit it’s their choice. They’re also not any more likely to assault or victimize others more than any other group. That a conservative claims the only reason for someone to be trans is to exploit women, isn’t because trans people have ever been shown to be exploitative. Not like conservatives have.

        All people need to be defended from conservatives. And we should never even humor their claims on ANYTHING. Every accusation is an acknowledgment and confession of the ignorance and hate in a conservatives heart. And they should be given no more deference or respect than any other unrepentant DARVO.

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          3 days ago

          You just described how you’re fully committed to fighting back against their culture war attack, rendering your entire point, and that of this comic, moot.

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            3 days ago

            By literally not engaging in the culture war. Again somehow you consistently fail to understand. There is nothing of substance that black people, urban people, immigrants, gays, trans, insert any of the minority groups you can think of. Need to defend.

            Even assuming a defensive posture you’ve already given a darvo what they want. The only proper response to someone who victimizes others is not defense, but attack. If you wait till you have to defend a darvo’s victim. You’ve already failed the victim.

            If they make claims against any group. The immediate first thing to do is not to defend the group. But ask them if they are a member of said group and speaking for them. If not then they need to shut the fuck up. Next ask them how many of said group they’re attacking they personally know. And of said group that they personally know how many are guilty of what they claim. And when they say they don’t know any of them to know any personally that are guilty. Again you tell them to shut the fuck up. Finally, when you ask them to give you any correlative evidence of any of their claims. And they can’t give you Jack shit. You tell them forcefully, loudly, and repeatedly. To shut, the everloving, fuck, up. Those attacks right there. Are all the defense anyone needs against dishonest victim blaming conservatives.Throwing their own baseless attacks back at them puts them on the defensive. Which is where they should always be.

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              3 days ago

              Fictional nature of your hypothetical bravery aside, your comment is dripping with irony in that you are so balls to the wall in your participation in the culture war that you are attacking an ally, but somehow you consistently fail to understand that.

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                3 days ago

                And your continued inability to engage honestly is far more ironic and damning. Better luck with your sealioning friend.

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                  3 days ago

                  That’s not what sealioning is, but okay.

                  Enjoy attacking members of similar or identical political philosophies for lack of perceived purity because they disagree with you on an item.