No you mistake my point I’m saying that ‘the left’ doesn’t have as many figurehead people online in those spaces to call out the people like Tate and Miller.
These people aren’t role models for being a man they’re role models for insecure people who pretend like they’re strong and dominant. There’s a pretty big chasm between the two.
I do get your point, but I don’t think it’s really applicable to the left as these people aren’t actually acting like men and what they do emulate is part of their con designed to dupe people into thinking they’re strong in order to get votes and get elected, but these traits aren’t appealing to people who aren’t primed to be MAGA sycophants because we can see right through the act and know that they’re mentally weak and full of shit.
This is specifically why they targeted isolated, angry young men who don’t know any better with all their online propaganda convincing them it’s the fault of women, immigrants, LGBT, etc for the shitty life circumstances they find themselves in. What specifically do you think the left (or more accurately center-right Democrats) can do to appeal to these people who don’t want to improve themselves and would rather blame others for their own failings?
Honestly, I’ve had this conversation with a lot of people!
I think tough love is the answer. People respect an actual honest gut punch.
Tough love with motivation to be better. That’s what I would do. People want to look for something, to hope for something. They want to be part of a ‘thing’ that gives them meaning and a reason to get out of bed in the morning. For a lot of people that is what MAGA is. It’s a brilliant bit of propaganda from a political science perspective.
The thing that the people behind maga forget is that positive always beats negative for people. If the democrats came out with a ‘elbows up’ campaign to drive engagement, inform voters, and have an Obama 08 style organization behind it. Dems would sweep elections left right and center across the country.
The issue, is the democrats shunned technology after that 08 Obama win. Obama built up a massive online apparatus to win the election then the party tossed it aside. The republicans embraced the digital age and have moved their propaganda networks online, and the democrats did nothing to counter it.
There are some things that give the Rs and advantage such as gish gallop and stuff like that, but again, tough love ‘everything that man said is bullshit, your honor’ type discourse wins out. They just don’t want to get their hands dirty, and they don’t want to fund people that do for some reason.
In short, you don’t need to convince people to follow a billion different decrees. You give them a simple branding (Hope from 08. Where do you think all the MAGA merch idea came from? Those Hope shirts), direction, and figureheads.
Branding is easy, for me I’d pick something like Together. Direction? Focus on things people agree on and build out policy from those tentpoles. ‘Family? We all love family. Here’s how we’re helping YOUR family with X policies.’ Figureheads. Dems have TONS of super qualified women that are killing it. We need some fucking white bread dudes like Walz as well to be pushing these things (there are a few they just need more media around them).
From a dev standpoint, if it were me I’d create an app to push these things, make it social for people, and then gamify engagement by making it a ‘game’ to be informed of what’s happening in your area and in the country at large. Getting people informed is not hard and doesn’t take a lot of time, it requires newer styles of outreach that haven’t been done before. At least in my mind!
Thanks for the conversation on this btw, It’s refreshing! <3
No you mistake my point I’m saying that ‘the left’ doesn’t have as many figurehead people online in those spaces to call out the people like Tate and Miller.
These people aren’t role models for being a man they’re role models for insecure people who pretend like they’re strong and dominant. There’s a pretty big chasm between the two.
Yes. And who is on the left saying ‘hey you should act this fucking way instead of these douche canoes?’
That’s my point.
I do get your point, but I don’t think it’s really applicable to the left as these people aren’t actually acting like men and what they do emulate is part of their con designed to dupe people into thinking they’re strong in order to get votes and get elected, but these traits aren’t appealing to people who aren’t primed to be MAGA sycophants because we can see right through the act and know that they’re mentally weak and full of shit.
This is specifically why they targeted isolated, angry young men who don’t know any better with all their online propaganda convincing them it’s the fault of women, immigrants, LGBT, etc for the shitty life circumstances they find themselves in. What specifically do you think the left (or more accurately center-right Democrats) can do to appeal to these people who don’t want to improve themselves and would rather blame others for their own failings?
Honestly, I’ve had this conversation with a lot of people!
I think tough love is the answer. People respect an actual honest gut punch.
Tough love with motivation to be better. That’s what I would do. People want to look for something, to hope for something. They want to be part of a ‘thing’ that gives them meaning and a reason to get out of bed in the morning. For a lot of people that is what MAGA is. It’s a brilliant bit of propaganda from a political science perspective.
The thing that the people behind maga forget is that positive always beats negative for people. If the democrats came out with a ‘elbows up’ campaign to drive engagement, inform voters, and have an Obama 08 style organization behind it. Dems would sweep elections left right and center across the country.
The issue, is the democrats shunned technology after that 08 Obama win. Obama built up a massive online apparatus to win the election then the party tossed it aside. The republicans embraced the digital age and have moved their propaganda networks online, and the democrats did nothing to counter it.
There are some things that give the Rs and advantage such as gish gallop and stuff like that, but again, tough love ‘everything that man said is bullshit, your honor’ type discourse wins out. They just don’t want to get their hands dirty, and they don’t want to fund people that do for some reason.
In short, you don’t need to convince people to follow a billion different decrees. You give them a simple branding (Hope from 08. Where do you think all the MAGA merch idea came from? Those Hope shirts), direction, and figureheads.
Branding is easy, for me I’d pick something like Together. Direction? Focus on things people agree on and build out policy from those tentpoles. ‘Family? We all love family. Here’s how we’re helping YOUR family with X policies.’ Figureheads. Dems have TONS of super qualified women that are killing it. We need some fucking white bread dudes like Walz as well to be pushing these things (there are a few they just need more media around them).
From a dev standpoint, if it were me I’d create an app to push these things, make it social for people, and then gamify engagement by making it a ‘game’ to be informed of what’s happening in your area and in the country at large. Getting people informed is not hard and doesn’t take a lot of time, it requires newer styles of outreach that haven’t been done before. At least in my mind!
Thanks for the conversation on this btw, It’s refreshing! <3