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    10 hours ago

    How do you recognize a slave? There is no need for chains to make people work against their will.

    Whoever dreads monday morning doesn’t have to be worried about slavery anymore.

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        True, but 1,000 years ago it sucked a lot more. Now we have some advantages. Even access to the internet is a good quality of life improvement compared to 1025 CE.

        So maybe instead 1,000 years the inequality still exists, but technology has made things a little nice for the working class. It’s all about perspective.

        Or the climate crisis and subsequent environmental collapse lead to a Mad Max hellscape

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          1,000 years ago it sucked a lot more

          1000 years ago we didn’t have a surveillance state, climate collapse, tiktok, 4chan, drone strikes, school shootings, car accidents, car dependent infrastructure, pollution smog, microplastics, fox news, subscription services, hiring AI, police robots, the gig economy, leafblowers, overdraft fees, airbnb, overseas concentration camps, white phosphorous, fracking…

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            Yeah, there’s a lot of bad, but he’s right. On average, the vast majority of humanity is significantly better off than we were a thousand years ago.

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              Africa is struggling to recover from colonisation. The middle east is a warzone. The Americas and Australia are being occupied by invaders. Europe is in financial crisis. I don’t really know about east Asia. Even Antarctica is melting. Capitalism is worse for the worker than feudalism.

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                You don’t seem to understand the fact that the vast majority of humanity is still better off than we were a 1000 years ago even with the current bad.

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      11 hours ago

      Reminds me of the pilot episode. When Fry wakes up in 3000 and says ‘everyone I know is dead… YES!!!’

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      Well, the 2020s so far seem to resemble the 1930s surprisingly closely. So if we haven’t destroy us by then, chances are things won’t be that different.

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      What if it’s full medieval and the king just ordered an expedition to the great library to bring back electricity?

      Good news is, you’ll have memes back if you skip some years.

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        Don’t have to get permission to live, fishing regulations no longer apply so it shouldn’t be too hard getting food. Also the sea and rivers won’t be polluted like they are now.

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      See you’re not supposed to wait for the chains to be around your ankles to start worrying about that. And the chains are currently around some people’s, it’s coming

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      You really don’t see what’s happening around you?

      Let me just make sure we’re on the same page with a little maths problem: you have nine people and a Nazi eating dinner at the table together. How many Nazis are at the table?

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        That needs to be followed up with “Are you at that table?”.

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        Not everyone who believes in capitalism is a nazi. You aren’t helping your cause by acting like this. Nobody should have to tell you this.

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          Capitalism has nothing to do with Nazism. If you find a capitalist throwing a sieg heil, they’re a Nazi. If you find a Buddhist or a Marxist or a Christian or literally anyone working with people who throw sieg heils, they’re a Nazi. If you (the general you, not you specifically) find yourself continuing to voice support for a president who didn’t immediately get rid of Musk after he sieg heil’d on TV TWICE, you’re a fuckin Nazi.

          Nobody should have to tell you this.

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            Am I missing something here? Where did anyone express support for Trump? This is the first I have heard about him in this thread - unless I have missed something obvious here this topic along with Nazism has come out of nowhere. I thought this meme was about capitalist exploitation or something. When did US politics get involved?

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        With what you said 1. Someone doesn’t have to be a good person, or be right, to coexist. Sitting at the same table as Pol Pot or Hitler isn’t enabling them.

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          Unfortunately this is incorrect as far as these ideologies go. They’re fundamentally incompatible with the principles of a free democratic society and so cannot be tolerated by anyone who claims to uphold the values of a free democratic society. If claim to uphold those values, and you’re sitting at the table with those people: No you fucking don’t. “Good person” and “correct” do not enter the equation at any point.

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            Democracy is essentially always incompatible with a free society in the first place. Eating dinner with a Nazi isn’t helping Nazis seize power. You’ve probably met genuine sociopaths, people who want to kill or severely harm others. Should you pre-judge them? Is that actually useful for anything?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q5DoYyV5RU

            I know someone online who privately admitted to me to being a pedophile, and is very suicidal. They claim to have never victimized anyone, just thought about it. It makes me very uncomfortable. But I also think if I bluntly said that it would make them more self-destructive, feeling more isolated, and feeling more like they shouldn’t be honest. I think that would lead to them being more likely to victimize someone. This isn’t just a utilitarian calculus though, I genuinely do not want them to suffer. Even though they have disgusting thoughts that could manifest in the suffering of others. What would you do?

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              These things are not comparable. This person you spoke to has urges, not beliefs. He clearly doesn’t believe it’s right to want to fuck kids. Nazism is a personal political view, and that view includes the belief that I don’t have the right to exist. That the people I love don’t have a right to exist. That is not an exaggeration, that is a fact, and you have to accede it as reasonable to work with someone who believes it. I do not, never have and never will, and I’m sick and tired of people pretending like a Nazi will just up and abandon the monstrous core principles of their entire platform. You will never budge them, they will only drag you down to their level if you try. Other opinions are fine; Nazis are not.

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            It doesn’t matter. I’m sure you can find something wrong with everything. It’s why all these nazis are running around! So many nazis! They’re in my attic making nests!

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              You, and most others, have clearly forgotten that there is a line and that line is Nazism. Not “everyone is a Nazi”. Just the ones willing to sit by quietly and let them advance their agenda, instead of loudly and violently fighting them at every turn. You might not be able to admit it to yourself, but I don’t concern myself with the opinions of Nazis so I don’t really care what you think about the fact.

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          It sure is enabling my right to think you’re enabling them. Unless you leave the table once you know who you’re sitting with, I’m judging you. Hard.

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      This is how I, as a European, feel.

      But I am certain that it must feel very different if you life in Afrika, China, one of the Koreas or, since recently, the US.