France is “determined” to recognise a Palestinian state, its foreign minister said on Tuesday, condemning Israel for the “indefensible” situation in Gaza created by its military campaign and humanitarian blockade.
France is “determined” to recognise a Palestinian state, its foreign minister said on Tuesday, condemning Israel for the “indefensible” situation in Gaza created by its military campaign and humanitarian blockade.
Yes, at least according to their rules. The server is based in Germany though, and they have a very loose definition of antisemitism as a crime which includes things like equating Israeli actions to those of Nazi Germany, calling for the abolition of Israel and being against Zionism in some cases
That’s not antisemitism that’s trivialisation of Nazi crimes. If you look at what Israel does it absolutely can be classified as genocide, the Nazis did all that… and a fuckton more. Equating the two erases that fuckton more and can thus be considered holocaust denial. “Oh they only shot people, there was no highly organised industrial campaign, no special-purpose logistics chain, the gas chambers are a myth” type of stuff. With actual Nazi methods there would not have been a single Palestinian left after two or three months.
In short: Don’t deny that the Nazis were even worse and you’ll be fine.
The basic idea is that genocide is not an appropriate response to genocide. If your abolition of Israel is a one-state solution with equal rights for everyone that’s fine, if it involves mass expulsions, flipping the apartheid around or some such that’s a no-go.
In short: Don’t advocate for crimes against humanity and you’ll be fine.
Zionism is a very, very broad term, it ranges from fascist Kahanites to Hippies helping Palestinians with the olive harvest so they won’t get attacked by the fascists, everything in between and quite a bit laterally. It need not even involve Israel at all, but can also just mean “Jews should have a place they can call home, where they can live in peace and prosperity”. By that definition Kahanites are not Zionist because fascism inherently doesn’t vibe with peace and prosperity.
Opposition to Zionism can also take many forms: You might oppose specific forms of Zionism, such as the fascist ones, because they’re fascists, there’s religious opposition within Judaism itself (the accusation there is that Zionists are trying to force a prophecy), and then there’s right-out antisemitism, “Why should Jews have a place to call home they’re Jews”. There’s also antisemitic pro-Zionism, “If they have their own home then we don’t have to deal with them here”.
In short: …there’s no short version.
Oh and just for the record: This all goes both ways. Plenty of people have eaten bans for denying Israel’s war crimes.
I agree with most of your points, I just don’t think any of them cross the threshold for what should be considered free speech. I also don’t think the default assumption should be antisemitism or holocaust denial or whatever.
The Nazis were obviously worse, but the vast majority of people saying they are the same are just being hyperbolic or at worst ignorant. The vast majority of people saying the state of Israel should be abolished (at least on western social media) do not mean “the Jews dont deserve a home” or “it should be abolished through the killing of all Israelis”. And yeah there’s no short version for the Zionism issue on this end either because it’s a word that can mean anything to different people.
I agree, and accusing them blanketly of antisemitism or being fascists is not helpful. A three-day timeout, “be less hyperbolic and read up on how bad the Nazis were” is absolutely in order, though, If for no reason than to not make a habit out of hyperbole.
And then there’s select few who, when confronted with even a hint of nuance, will scream “SO YOU ARE A ZIONIST WHY DO YOU LIKE EATING BABIES” and I’m not at all sad about seeing them banned. Same goes for people saying stuff like “There are no innocent Palestinians” which actually straight-up qualifies as incitement to hatred under German law.
And for the absolutists: Free speech free smeech this is still supposed to be a community (of course there’s a relevant xkcd).
The server is based in Austria though.
But moderators are based in germany though