Why tf do Americans reward America with their skills and education? The captain of your sinking country is throwing citizens overboard, and you remain in line? Move!?
Outside of a few essentially third world countries that I could save up a few grand and bribe my way into, there really aren’t any countries that are too keen on accepting Usians for citizenship. You might have better luck if you have a doctorate and speak the local language fluently.
I had a buddy that expatriated to South Korea years ago to teach English, but I think last time I checked in he was still juggling work visas and had no real chance of being a citizen.
I could be wrong though, I haven’t checked in on him in a while.
You make it sound like moving houses. Just pack your shit and drive off. Most countries don’t want us, especially if someone wasn’t born lucky enough to be able to go to college, and has some formal education. Even if that was easy, it’s fucking EXPENSIVE. thousands of dollars. A lot of us are barely getting by, and a lot more don’t have the luxury of spending thousands to go to another country. And all that, to move to a place where you won’t have citizenship without lots of work, and hell, If facism takes over that country I’ll get kicked out. Not to mention leaving my entire family behind.
All this assumes I’m moving to an English speaking country, otherwise I’ll have a language barrier at the same time I’m trying to rebuild my entire existence in a new place with unfamiliar culture.
There’s probably so much more. It’s not impossible, but for me it’s not feasible at this time. I desperately wish it was.
Edit: sorry if I came off as a dick here, it’s just frustrating seeing the thing I want so bad (to leave) simplified so much. Especially if you didn’t grow up here.
America is pretty much the only country in the world that has ever accepted the tired, the poor, and the huddled masses.
No other country will accept a bunch of poor anyones with no money, bad health, and no unique and valuable skills. Not in any significant numbers that matter, at least.
and thousands? moving to another country would take hundreds of thousands, minimum. The paperwork alone for moving to, and getting citizenship in the destination country would probably require a hundred thousand alone, between lawyers and paperwork, not to mention probably a year minimum of time. Assuming you would even get that far to begin with, given Americas reputation on the world stage at the moment. It’d probably be treated as well as Russians wanting to immigrate.
Hell, even moving to another state is an expense most americans can not afford. Especially with the absurdity of rent prices being, in some places, as much as monthy minimum wage is, if not higher. Not to mention buying grossly price-inflated properties if you want to go the ownership route… anything that would be affordable will probably still need massive amounts of work to repair and make suitable for habitation.
S’why it pisses me off every time when some ignorant dumbass just goes " well if you don’t like it, move! ", cause I can imagine everyone that says that probably has rich parents that have funded their every whim, because how else can just up and moving at a whim be possible for the average person?
Hell, even moving to another state is an expense most americans can not afford. Especially with the absurdity of rent prices being, in some places, as much as monthy minimum wage is, if not higher.
OH MY GOD THANK YOU! So many people don’t get that when you’re in a shitty red state it’s REALLY REALLY hard to get out because someone making California wages has absolute way more than we do. Sure, they’re broke as shit there because the prices are high, and that sucks, but then if you’re coming from Missouri to California, the phrase “fucked” doesn’t even begin to cover it.
It’s telling that I say I clawed my way out of Arkansas and Missouri was my “better”
No more Only fans, no more energy drinks, no more video games. You can do it. Make it your life’s mission. Learn a language. You don’t have to be perfect just familiar. Maybe brush up on some mathematics. Shit. You could do for a little bit of time, teach English as a second language. And yet it’s somewhat of a scam. You could like put your ear to the ground and ask other people what they’re doing. If you’re young. And even if you’re not, who gives a shit. I mean like, are you trying to have a white picket fence and a wife you hate? A job you hate, a culture you hate. Oh that’s right, no one can afford a house. Never mind. I mean fuck this place, you can do it. I call it Operation FTP. Fuck this place. It’s a deep undercover mission that could last many years. But you will complete that mission.
and to add, most countries accepting immigrants from the USA, they only want people with PHD in stems. most people dont have one. since a very small group of college graduates even go to grad school anyways.
Says Who? Where are you trying to go, Norway? Sweden? This is like abusive spouse language, like nobody wants you, nobody loves you. You’re lucky I love you. I know people with PhDs and they’re dumber than fucking shit. And what do you mean accepting? If you get a work visa and then you find a employer that wants to keep you. They usually can expedite this process. I’ve seen some of the most useless dumb motherfuckers in the world succeed.
I feel you, I’ve gone through similar problems but from the other side of the world. In case if you need advice:
Consider eastern europe. From what I know, you’ll have 3 months-visa free, that’s more than enough to find a job in a big city even without any kind of connections. All you need is moving expenses and a few months of rent, and you’ll have a very good chances of getting into some kind of residency program (do research your options in advance)
The language barrier will be a thing, but english will get you into many doors if you choose a big city. You can work on your language afterwards.
You’ll fail a lot, it will be very stressful, you will be outsider in the eyes of many, but trust me your chances are much bigger than some people I know that have done a similar thing and succeeded. And after you succeed (and you will, if you try and don’t give up) the understanding that government’s power over you is not absolute will stay with you forever.
All that said: I’m not saying you need to leave. I’m just saying that you can.
Well, we’re all capitalist countries and fascism is just capitalism in crisis. Populism comes to rise in failing economies that do not prepare for the future… I think the real issue is Quality of life and violence, we in America are constantly exposed to anti-social behavior, homelessness and guns. Within the past like I don’t know three years. I’ve been around three incidents with a firearm I had nothing to do with it, but I was in danger. I just think about all the nonsense that goes on in America and just all I can think about is me possibly having to pay a medical bill. I am a low-risk individual who is incredibly non-committal, subscription-free kind of individual.
once it starts happening to you, you know, you start to realize that we’re not in Kansas anymore.
Well, the real issue is flooding refugees in Europe was an attempt to bleed the social services because the Yankee is trying to destroy Europe’s social safety net via Imperialist Ambitions. Through nefarious tactics, the neo-liberals actually do a tango with the other parties playing the public and getting them to fight with each other and blame it on immigrants instead of mismanagement and corruption. it makes the usa look bad and it’s never more obvious than when the United States cut the gas line from Russia to Germany. The Yankee is a bad friend. And you are a short-sighted racist. It’s not about being politically correct. It’s about understanding the class war and not being an idiot. Trump is such a moron. He is making it so Europe at least the people to despise the American government, which in a way is a good thing because it’s not in their best interest to side with us. And part of the reason why Europe doesn’t want our meat is because they got their own goddamn meat. And so when we force them to use our weapons, they just say, well, we’ll build our own weapons. And once again, we’ll be less needed.
The captain of your sinking country is throwing citizens overboard, and you remain in line? Move!?
Hahahahahahaha… you sound like one of our republicans.
I work as a biomed, a sector of repairing medical equipment that is a sought after career field, desperately needed. Been doing it for five years, and I like to think I’m damn good at my job.
I also only have an associates degree.
There are not many countries that will take me with only that associates degree. It’s like I tell conservatives who do the “Don’t like it, move”, being from the US isn’t some special wonderful status that gets us open doors into other countries. Other countries don’t want us like the Republicans don’t want foreigners from other countries, unless they’re wealthy.
Biomed isn’t really a sought after career. Most people outside of the medical community don’t even know it exists. The last hospital I worked at was starting a teenage volunteer program and surveyed high school and college kids. 60% thought only doctors and nurses worked at hospitals.
By sought after I mean the hospitals searching for us. As you say, my hospital is bringing in high schoolers to intern because the industry basically has no pipeline for workers because most of the old guard are still there but retiring and/or dying off so suddenly there’s a massive lack in a very tiny pool caused by it basically not being advertised until very recently.
I am trying to talk my husband into moving. I can probably land the job in the EU I am interviewing for, but he does NOT want to move. He doesn’t want to leave the small amount of community we have. He doesn’t want to overreact in fear to this administration. He doesn’t want to give up our home and our lifestyle (the EU pays substantially less across many industries). Our parents are getting older and sicker; it’s hard to move abroad when you know there’s probably only a handful of years left with them, especially when you have children.
I think the Internet discounts how difficult it can be to uproot.
How good is your marriage? You only have one life. I might leave his ass. The kids will be more well-rounded. Life is a journey. Fuck and live it, lady.
Skills and education? Most Americans have neither of those things. We are a disposable people and that’s exactly what the corporate slaveowners want. We can’t escape because we are less valuable to other countries which means it’s easier to exploit us. What are we going to do about it, kill our masters? That’s not nice.
Lucky for him he’ll get the best medical treatment on the planet. Meanwhile if I broke a leg I’d be destitute
Why tf do Americans reward America with their skills and education? The captain of your sinking country is throwing citizens overboard, and you remain in line? Move!?
Outside of a few essentially third world countries that I could save up a few grand and bribe my way into, there really aren’t any countries that are too keen on accepting Usians for citizenship. You might have better luck if you have a doctorate and speak the local language fluently.
I had a buddy that expatriated to South Korea years ago to teach English, but I think last time I checked in he was still juggling work visas and had no real chance of being a citizen.
I could be wrong though, I haven’t checked in on him in a while.
I’m working on my plan.
“Move?!”
You make it sound like moving houses. Just pack your shit and drive off. Most countries don’t want us, especially if someone wasn’t born lucky enough to be able to go to college, and has some formal education. Even if that was easy, it’s fucking EXPENSIVE. thousands of dollars. A lot of us are barely getting by, and a lot more don’t have the luxury of spending thousands to go to another country. And all that, to move to a place where you won’t have citizenship without lots of work, and hell, If facism takes over that country I’ll get kicked out. Not to mention leaving my entire family behind.
All this assumes I’m moving to an English speaking country, otherwise I’ll have a language barrier at the same time I’m trying to rebuild my entire existence in a new place with unfamiliar culture.
There’s probably so much more. It’s not impossible, but for me it’s not feasible at this time. I desperately wish it was.
Edit: sorry if I came off as a dick here, it’s just frustrating seeing the thing I want so bad (to leave) simplified so much. Especially if you didn’t grow up here.
Don’t give up. You can still do it. I don’t think the foreigners hate you. The hate the ones that can do it so easily. I believe in you.
America is pretty much the only country in the world that has ever accepted the tired, the poor, and the huddled masses.
No other country will accept a bunch of poor anyones with no money, bad health, and no unique and valuable skills. Not in any significant numbers that matter, at least.
and thousands? moving to another country would take hundreds of thousands, minimum. The paperwork alone for moving to, and getting citizenship in the destination country would probably require a hundred thousand alone, between lawyers and paperwork, not to mention probably a year minimum of time. Assuming you would even get that far to begin with, given Americas reputation on the world stage at the moment. It’d probably be treated as well as Russians wanting to immigrate.
Hell, even moving to another state is an expense most americans can not afford. Especially with the absurdity of rent prices being, in some places, as much as monthy minimum wage is, if not higher. Not to mention buying grossly price-inflated properties if you want to go the ownership route… anything that would be affordable will probably still need massive amounts of work to repair and make suitable for habitation.
S’why it pisses me off every time when some ignorant dumbass just goes " well if you don’t like it, move! ", cause I can imagine everyone that says that probably has rich parents that have funded their every whim, because how else can just up and moving at a whim be possible for the average person?
OH MY GOD THANK YOU! So many people don’t get that when you’re in a shitty red state it’s REALLY REALLY hard to get out because someone making California wages has absolute way more than we do. Sure, they’re broke as shit there because the prices are high, and that sucks, but then if you’re coming from Missouri to California, the phrase “fucked” doesn’t even begin to cover it.
It’s telling that I say I clawed my way out of Arkansas and Missouri was my “better”
No more Only fans, no more energy drinks, no more video games. You can do it. Make it your life’s mission. Learn a language. You don’t have to be perfect just familiar. Maybe brush up on some mathematics. Shit. You could do for a little bit of time, teach English as a second language. And yet it’s somewhat of a scam. You could like put your ear to the ground and ask other people what they’re doing. If you’re young. And even if you’re not, who gives a shit. I mean like, are you trying to have a white picket fence and a wife you hate? A job you hate, a culture you hate. Oh that’s right, no one can afford a house. Never mind. I mean fuck this place, you can do it. I call it Operation FTP. Fuck this place. It’s a deep undercover mission that could last many years. But you will complete that mission.
and to add, most countries accepting immigrants from the USA, they only want people with PHD in stems. most people dont have one. since a very small group of college graduates even go to grad school anyways.
Says Who? Where are you trying to go, Norway? Sweden? This is like abusive spouse language, like nobody wants you, nobody loves you. You’re lucky I love you. I know people with PhDs and they’re dumber than fucking shit. And what do you mean accepting? If you get a work visa and then you find a employer that wants to keep you. They usually can expedite this process. I’ve seen some of the most useless dumb motherfuckers in the world succeed.
I feel you, I’ve gone through similar problems but from the other side of the world. In case if you need advice:
Consider eastern europe. From what I know, you’ll have 3 months-visa free, that’s more than enough to find a job in a big city even without any kind of connections. All you need is moving expenses and a few months of rent, and you’ll have a very good chances of getting into some kind of residency program (do research your options in advance)
The language barrier will be a thing, but english will get you into many doors if you choose a big city. You can work on your language afterwards.
You’ll fail a lot, it will be very stressful, you will be outsider in the eyes of many, but trust me your chances are much bigger than some people I know that have done a similar thing and succeeded. And after you succeed (and you will, if you try and don’t give up) the understanding that government’s power over you is not absolute will stay with you forever.
All that said: I’m not saying you need to leave. I’m just saying that you can.
Hell yeah, listen to this person. They know what they’re talking about.
I feel you.
I’m in Australia. If we turned fascist I would want to move but the logistics of doing that are very challenging.
Well, we’re all capitalist countries and fascism is just capitalism in crisis. Populism comes to rise in failing economies that do not prepare for the future… I think the real issue is Quality of life and violence, we in America are constantly exposed to anti-social behavior, homelessness and guns. Within the past like I don’t know three years. I’ve been around three incidents with a firearm I had nothing to do with it, but I was in danger. I just think about all the nonsense that goes on in America and just all I can think about is me possibly having to pay a medical bill. I am a low-risk individual who is incredibly non-committal, subscription-free kind of individual.
once it starts happening to you, you know, you start to realize that we’re not in Kansas anymore.
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Well, the real issue is flooding refugees in Europe was an attempt to bleed the social services because the Yankee is trying to destroy Europe’s social safety net via Imperialist Ambitions. Through nefarious tactics, the neo-liberals actually do a tango with the other parties playing the public and getting them to fight with each other and blame it on immigrants instead of mismanagement and corruption. it makes the usa look bad and it’s never more obvious than when the United States cut the gas line from Russia to Germany. The Yankee is a bad friend. And you are a short-sighted racist. It’s not about being politically correct. It’s about understanding the class war and not being an idiot. Trump is such a moron. He is making it so Europe at least the people to despise the American government, which in a way is a good thing because it’s not in their best interest to side with us. And part of the reason why Europe doesn’t want our meat is because they got their own goddamn meat. And so when we force them to use our weapons, they just say, well, we’ll build our own weapons. And once again, we’ll be less needed.
I think there are still quite a few people who are above casual racism, so you might be wrong.
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Hahahahahahaha… you sound like one of our republicans.
I work as a biomed, a sector of repairing medical equipment that is a sought after career field, desperately needed. Been doing it for five years, and I like to think I’m damn good at my job.
I also only have an associates degree.
There are not many countries that will take me with only that associates degree. It’s like I tell conservatives who do the “Don’t like it, move”, being from the US isn’t some special wonderful status that gets us open doors into other countries. Other countries don’t want us like the Republicans don’t want foreigners from other countries, unless they’re wealthy.
Biomed isn’t really a sought after career. Most people outside of the medical community don’t even know it exists. The last hospital I worked at was starting a teenage volunteer program and surveyed high school and college kids. 60% thought only doctors and nurses worked at hospitals.
By sought after I mean the hospitals searching for us. As you say, my hospital is bringing in high schoolers to intern because the industry basically has no pipeline for workers because most of the old guard are still there but retiring and/or dying off so suddenly there’s a massive lack in a very tiny pool caused by it basically not being advertised until very recently.
I am trying to talk my husband into moving. I can probably land the job in the EU I am interviewing for, but he does NOT want to move. He doesn’t want to leave the small amount of community we have. He doesn’t want to overreact in fear to this administration. He doesn’t want to give up our home and our lifestyle (the EU pays substantially less across many industries). Our parents are getting older and sicker; it’s hard to move abroad when you know there’s probably only a handful of years left with them, especially when you have children.
I think the Internet discounts how difficult it can be to uproot.
How good is your marriage? You only have one life. I might leave his ass. The kids will be more well-rounded. Life is a journey. Fuck and live it, lady.
Skills and education? Most Americans have neither of those things. We are a disposable people and that’s exactly what the corporate slaveowners want. We can’t escape because we are less valuable to other countries which means it’s easier to exploit us. What are we going to do about it, kill our masters? That’s not nice.