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I would never risk any third party messaging service in military or critical state matters. It’s just common sense, even for a layman. Everything is compromised, Telegram is, Whatsapp is, Signal is, all of them are.
I would never risk any third party messaging service in military or critical state matters.
Ah, so mister genius would write his own, have I heard that right? Would he use XOR twice when encrypting a message, just to be double safe?
How is Signal compromised?
It’s not, unless they’re some sort of cryptography expert with a peer-reviewed white paper pending publication. The Signal protocol (GPLv3) is extremely robust and has almost no capacity for metadata generation, and both the app and server-side code are under the AGPLv3 (technically if they were compromised they could use different, unaudited server-side code, but refer back to “basically no metadata”). Signal has essentially no capacity to be compromised; they can’t even bait and switch users with a pre-compiled app whose source code isn’t the publicly available one and actually has a backdoor because their builds are reproducible and it would be caught immediately.
Maybe they take issue with the crypto bullshit, which is valid but doesn’t compromise messaging security. Maybe they don’t like that they took away SMS, which I completely agree with, but also actually makes it marginally more secure. Either way, I seriously doubt if they had any mathematical insight into Signal being “compromised” that they would be here hanging around on Lemmy right now.
Be that as it may, it’s still an incredibly short sighted decision to use a centralized service that is under 3rd party control for real security sensitive applications.
telegram chats are also not end to end encrypted to my knowledge, only the secret chats which have some limitations afaik. and group chats also aren’t encrypted. unless that changed recently. id even trust Whatsapp more than telegram, at least they say they’re end to end encrypted.
I presume this will have zero effect, especially since it includes this huge exemption.
Those who use Telegram “part of their job duties” will not be affected by the move.
I assume that is too cover the intelligence officers monitoring the Russian milbloggers.
I know nothing about cyber security, but it’s funny to me that depending on the time of day these comment sections either mostly criticize Telegram or mostly support it. I have no idea what to believe or whether it’s safe for me to use Telegram.
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Honestly curious, what was missing on Signal and what was complicated? I can’t even remember the sign up process and never felt I was missing out on features, at least not on features available elsewhere
I think people want to support encrypted communication apps in general, not Telegram specifically. It’s just that there are many far more secure apps.
Do Viber next lol
Why do people use Viber over like Signal and Threema or worst-case scenario Whatsapp?
Maybe choosing your poison? Viber belongs to the Japanese company Rakuten, so it may be more interesting geopolitically, depending on your country.
Viber is Israeli based with connection to Russian security services.
Network effects… Once community picks the app, it ain’t changing.
It pretty amazing that two years into the war this is still an issue in Ukraine especially at government/military level.
I get plebs giving fuck all due to poor understanding, the state taking this long doesn’t make sense. These issues were brought from the start of the invasion.
Network effects… Once community picks the app, it ain’t changing.
I think you’re sidestepping the question though. The question is why the community picked the app.
Because Russian corpos shoved into their faces and the state was too stupid to see the issue with it despite being at war with Russia since 2014.
People who criticized this were mercelessly mocked by the normies…
Aka the same thing happening in the US, at least consequences aint bad here… For now
Wait, the centralized service that security experts warned for years could be easily compromised because a centralized messaging service is inherently insecure has now been compromised? Surprised Pikachu face
Not to discredit your arguement but isn’t Signal also centralised?
It is, which is why the comment didn’t advocate for it. Signal has more robust encryption than telegram, but its not zero-trust. They should really be using private hosted services instead of public or pgp, but when battle kicks off you use whatever works and then go back and revise as needed when you’re not dodging bombs.
It is. But it is open source and the encryption is solid. All communication data is end-to-end encrypted. They have been subpoenaed before and all they could provide was when the account was first registered and when it was last used. The signal protocol is well documented and open source. The foundation and LLC behind it are registered in California and are run by reputable people.
Telegram is run by shady people, supposedly out of Dubai, while it is registered in the British Virgin Islands. Its clients are also open source, however the encryption, if enabled, is of the home cooked variety, although it was improved over time. Unfortunately it is not enabled by default, you need to enter a „secure chat“ for that, which only works with single contacts, not with groups. Despite having access to everything else, and working like a social media-messenger-hybrid, telegram is very reluctant to get rid of clearly illegal content.
Owned by a fake rebel russian who has somehow managed to keep from falling out of a window on a high floor. Cough, cough plant.
I know right…
