Summary

Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

  • Kurroth@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Wtf? Are you that cooked you just can’t swallow your US pride even when your leaders are this foul? Uncanny. Where is the line for you? What do you need before you are willing to write off something USA?

    • Victor@lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      😆👌

      Not sure if you fully comprehended what I said.

      1. I said Zelenskyj is in the right. He is fully in the right to question Vance with valid questions. But I’m also saying that if you want to negotiate with monsters, you might not want to embarrass and anger them in front of their own people, live on TV. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ Feels like politics 101.
      2. I’m not American… Not even on the same continent. 😆 Nice assumption.
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        1 day ago

        Everybody, especially Zelenskyy, knew that this was going to be a bad deal, for one simple reason: Putin won’t back down on Ukraine, and Trump will never defy Putin. So, the best possible outcome is that talks are televised, so that the world can see that he’s being reasonable, and Trump was being a bully. And it worked!

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          1 day ago

          Putin won’t back down on Ukraine

          Is this really a given? He must want something.

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            1 day ago

            He does. He wants Ukraine.

            Okay, besides Ukraine. Yes, I think that you could set up a deal to give Putin something that he wants in exchange for a truce. The problem is Putin can’t be trusted, and, sooner or later, he’ll break the truce, because he really, really, really wants Ukraine.

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              15 hours ago

              What’s the real reason he wants Ukraine so badly? I don’t see a reason other than using it as a springboard to attack the rest of us in Europe. Or is Ukraine his secret bae somehow?

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        1 day ago

        What? This is a nothing comment. Your original comment is very clear. Ok, not us American. Still a tosser

        • Victor@lemmy.world
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          1 day ago

          Alright, kid. Talk to me again when you have something else to say than only ad hominems and when you can carry an adult conversation.

          JFC.