‘We do not expect the officers to wait until they’re fired upon before they feel the necessity to fire’ Cincinnati Police Chief Teresa Theetge said of the incident
No, I just am willing to admit facts even if they don’t fit my narrative. I asked for a single example, you provided one, fair play. It doesn’t undo the entire narrative, but it’s relevant. Absolutely.
Part of the reason I talk about these things is to hear opposing points of view and a lot of times there’s some validity to them. I never heard of this whole situation before we talked and it’s real fucked up.
There are also other alternative ways to conduct one’s self in disagreement conversations.
I can provide examples all day. If pretty crazy you think the BLM movement has put to the end of police corruption. At best it just put their corrupption in the public’s spotlight, but its very much still as bad as it always has been.
If pretty crazy you think the BLM movement has put to the end of police corruption.
I definitely do not think that. I think it changed the default. I don’t think there will ever be an end to police corruption. You need oversight to make sure they’re not going to start to get abusive, and that oversight is never really going to be a “solved” thing or never have to step in. That’s just not how human beings operate.
Maybe a fair way to do it is just to list the high profile terribly fucked-up things that happened in the last few years, and see how many of those times the police got charges. Tyre Nichols and Lich Vu are the only ones I was aware of. In one, the police got charges, and in the second, the prosecutor charged the cop (as I would argue is the norm now), but the governor overrode him.
Now, you’re bringing another example. It’s actually not certain to me that the DOJ wasn’t planning to do something about it (that is precisely the Public Integrity Unit’s job and why they are important, and they’ve been busy doing it until Trump came in). But regardless of anything theoretical like that, yes, this is real fucked up and an indictment of US police that it can happen.
What other cases do you know of? If you list off 5-10 of them from the last few years we can talk about what the outcomes were.
No, I just am willing to admit facts even if they don’t fit my narrative. I asked for a single example, you provided one, fair play. It doesn’t undo the entire narrative, but it’s relevant. Absolutely.
Part of the reason I talk about these things is to hear opposing points of view and a lot of times there’s some validity to them. I never heard of this whole situation before we talked and it’s real fucked up.
There are also other alternative ways to conduct one’s self in disagreement conversations.
I can provide examples all day. If pretty crazy you think the BLM movement has put to the end of police corruption. At best it just put their corrupption in the public’s spotlight, but its very much still as bad as it always has been.
I definitely do not think that. I think it changed the default. I don’t think there will ever be an end to police corruption. You need oversight to make sure they’re not going to start to get abusive, and that oversight is never really going to be a “solved” thing or never have to step in. That’s just not how human beings operate.
Maybe a fair way to do it is just to list the high profile terribly fucked-up things that happened in the last few years, and see how many of those times the police got charges. Tyre Nichols and Lich Vu are the only ones I was aware of. In one, the police got charges, and in the second, the prosecutor charged the cop (as I would argue is the norm now), but the governor overrode him.
Now, you’re bringing another example. It’s actually not certain to me that the DOJ wasn’t planning to do something about it (that is precisely the Public Integrity Unit’s job and why they are important, and they’ve been busy doing it until Trump came in). But regardless of anything theoretical like that, yes, this is real fucked up and an indictment of US police that it can happen.
What other cases do you know of? If you list off 5-10 of them from the last few years we can talk about what the outcomes were.