It’s like giving away machine guns with some free munitions in the hopes of getting “new enthusiasts who will use it at the shooting range”, only for it to be end up in the hands of crazy people committing horrific violence.
It will also multiply the amount of porn a hundred fold, which will disconnect any kind of basis in reality. When youre viewing nothing but fake nudes and you are aware of it I’d assume it makes it kind of weird.
It is just another step in that direction starting at real amateur porn (i.e. real sex by real people being filmed) over professional porn (actors being filmed), fake amateur porn (professionals pretending to be amateurs), animated or rendered or machinima porn,…
There hasn’t really been that much genuine left in porn in quite a while.
If there was no shame in being nude, then there wouldn’t be a problem… Imagine finding out that a guy you know has hundreds of portraits of you. Portraits you were never in! Absolutely not terrifying.
Prude shaming is exactly the same as slut shaming. Implicit in your comment is the notion that women ought to be perfectly fine with deepfake porn of themselves being created and viewed by anyone, but society has made them prudish through the demonization of nudity sex.
Women are people and have rights and feelings that should not be ignored simply to serve the male sex drive, and a great many women do not want to be deepfake porn stars. If you disagree then say so. Don’t hide behind the notion that society has robbed women of their desire to serve your fantasy through the demonization of sex. Sexual liberation includes the right to not have or be involved in sexual activity if one chooses. Prude shaming, like yours, is designed to remove that right.
Society subjects people to a lot of things that people aren’t “perfectly fine with” but only some of them have wider implications for reputation, career chances, ostracizing,… and that is the main problem with this kind of technology.
Your assumption that people need deepfake technology to fantasize about people sexually who have no interest in being on the receiving end of that is at best naive and at worst arguing in bad faith.
and that is the main problem with this kind of technology.
In your opinuon.
Your assumption that people need deepfake technology to fantasize about people sexually who have no interest in being on the receiving end of that is at best naive and at worst arguing in bad faith.
I never assumed or suggested any such thing. You are making shit up.
I agree in principle, society is demonizing nudity and sex.
This has got to change. Society needs to change in order to fix this and many other issues related to sex and nudity.
As long as it affects a persons reputation and their standing, this is a problem. Any person can harm someone with this technology, and as a society we can not accept that.
Most people could not make a decent fake sex tape with any person in the world with low effort before. Now they can.
Should creating deepfakes for personal consumption be legal/illegal? Distribution is the real problem. The rest is fantasizing with tools more or less. Some people will understandably not like it if they find out other people fantasize about them, but that is close to thought crime. What is acceptable? Is a stickdrawing with names too much? What if I am really good at realistic drawings? What if I draw many images in a book and make a physical animation of ouf it? Is the limit anything outside my head? What if I draw a politician fellating another one and distribute it as art/satire?
The short term solution is to ban deepfakes, the long term is probably something else, but I am not sure what. There is not inherently any actual abuse in deepfakes, there is no actual sex either. So it’s a reputational/honor and disgust thing. These things still matter a lot in societies, so we can’t ignore it either.
It’s just like piracy, when It becomes too easy it’s when companies and government begins the crackdown.
Theoretically possible since Photoshop, but you had to be pretty fucking good at it, now even teens are making deepfakes of their teachers and classmates.
Lets be perfectly honest here, especially for pictures this has been possible for at least 20 years.
What is ruining people’s lives is the obsession a conservative society has with demonizing nudity and sex.
One small problem: accessibility.
It’s like giving away machine guns with some free munitions in the hopes of getting “new enthusiasts who will use it at the shooting range”, only for it to be end up in the hands of crazy people committing horrific violence.
55 years: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0720250/
Lets not pretend that lowering the barrier to making fake nudes hasn’t changed the situation either.
In a way it has improved it. It makes it more plausible to claim that any nudes that do show up of you are fake.
It will also multiply the amount of porn a hundred fold, which will disconnect any kind of basis in reality. When youre viewing nothing but fake nudes and you are aware of it I’d assume it makes it kind of weird.
It is just another step in that direction starting at real amateur porn (i.e. real sex by real people being filmed) over professional porn (actors being filmed), fake amateur porn (professionals pretending to be amateurs), animated or rendered or machinima porn,…
There hasn’t really been that much genuine left in porn in quite a while.
If there was no shame in being nude, then there wouldn’t be a problem… Imagine finding out that a guy you know has hundreds of portraits of you. Portraits you were never in! Absolutely not terrifying.
I mean that’s still creepy and probably grounds for a restraining order
Its sarcastic also. LOL.
Prude shaming is exactly the same as slut shaming. Implicit in your comment is the notion that women ought to be perfectly fine with deepfake porn of themselves being created and viewed by anyone, but society has made them prudish through the demonization of nudity sex.
Women are people and have rights and feelings that should not be ignored simply to serve the male sex drive, and a great many women do not want to be deepfake porn stars. If you disagree then say so. Don’t hide behind the notion that society has robbed women of their desire to serve your fantasy through the demonization of sex. Sexual liberation includes the right to not have or be involved in sexual activity if one chooses. Prude shaming, like yours, is designed to remove that right.
No wonder 4b took off in Korea.
Succinct, says the quiet part out loud, and it has me exploring my own assumptions.
Thanks for being a part of this community.
Society subjects people to a lot of things that people aren’t “perfectly fine with” but only some of them have wider implications for reputation, career chances, ostracizing,… and that is the main problem with this kind of technology.
Your assumption that people need deepfake technology to fantasize about people sexually who have no interest in being on the receiving end of that is at best naive and at worst arguing in bad faith.
In your opinuon.
I never assumed or suggested any such thing. You are making shit up.
I agree in principle, society is demonizing nudity and sex. This has got to change. Society needs to change in order to fix this and many other issues related to sex and nudity.
As long as it affects a persons reputation and their standing, this is a problem. Any person can harm someone with this technology, and as a society we can not accept that.
Most people could not make a decent fake sex tape with any person in the world with low effort before. Now they can.
Should creating deepfakes for personal consumption be legal/illegal? Distribution is the real problem. The rest is fantasizing with tools more or less. Some people will understandably not like it if they find out other people fantasize about them, but that is close to thought crime. What is acceptable? Is a stickdrawing with names too much? What if I am really good at realistic drawings? What if I draw many images in a book and make a physical animation of ouf it? Is the limit anything outside my head? What if I draw a politician fellating another one and distribute it as art/satire?
The short term solution is to ban deepfakes, the long term is probably something else, but I am not sure what. There is not inherently any actual abuse in deepfakes, there is no actual sex either. So it’s a reputational/honor and disgust thing. These things still matter a lot in societies, so we can’t ignore it either.
Also people fixate and idolize them making it worse
Religion would like to have a word
It’s just like piracy, when It becomes too easy it’s when companies and government begins the crackdown.
Theoretically possible since Photoshop, but you had to be pretty fucking good at it, now even teens are making deepfakes of their teachers and classmates.