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Look, I am not a billionaire loving guy anymore than some of you are.
But has anyone here considered that Musk has made an impact on the views of young white men (whom also happen to be Republican and Conservative or Proud Boys?
Does it bother us that these men follow a billionaire who doesn’t give two shits about them? Yes.
Do I care that Taylor Swift is the opposite of that and encourages young women and men, be it black, gay, trans, etc to be opposite end of that spectrum. Fuck yes, we shouldn’t base our views off the rich but has it ever occurred to anyone here that it is using those billionairs to represent and have them be vocal with the power they hold with our views instead?
I will absolutely take Taylor Swift speaking up and saying what she believes in and her giving that voice to 100000+ people whose only voice is heard in a vote if her speaking up also encourages people to say fuck Trump and and Musk and every fucking dumb ass on this post that thinks Taylor speaking out is a bad thing by comparison to it somehow being worse then what they already do with Musk.
Fuckem, fuck billionaires, but God damn keep fucking roasting them TSwiftie.
I’m not down with billionaires either, but at least she’s using her fame and money towards some good things.
If I had a platform that millions of people listened to (which I don’t), and strongly held beliefs about how the country could be made better for everyone (which I do), why wouldn’t I use my platform to share those beliefs? How could I not?
No one MUST obey what either of them says, just like no one would be compelled to obey me in my hypothetical. But I don’t really have a problem with any person using whatever platform they’ve found themselves with to express their own beliefs and desires. I don’t think people lose the right to free expression just because they are rich and/or famous and/or powerful.
Edit: And if you piss a lot of people off and lose all your advertisers because your opinions are repugnant and awful - well hey, that’s the choice you made.
why wouldn’t I use my platform to share those beliefs?
I think it’s perfectly valid to say “the system that gave me this platform is unfair and I shouldn’t have benefited from it to the degree that I have, but I have the platform now so I’m going to use it for good.”
It’s almost like people have attributes other than their net worth.
every fucking dumb ass on this post that thinks Taylor speaking out is a bad thing by comparison to it somehow being worse then what they already do with Musk.
If your political opinion is swayed by either a pop star or a billionaire, you’re kinda a dumb ass. Full stop.
If only people were more logical and calm, like men! /s
Your political movement is impotent if it can’t seduce. Here’s an underrated short tube essay on the political power of bimbos: https://youtu.be/FeRIE6JDhCQ
That’s just how people work. Belief is social. We all value input from people we see as members of our in-group more than outsiders.
Good thing dumbasses can’t vote…
… what? Are you serious? 80% of voters are dumb asses…
Nvm… I struggle without “/s”
It was sarcasm.
Oh… shwoosh. My bad sry.
So of course Musk immediately threatens to “give her a child”. Like a normal not weird person.
Her statement was impeccable. She mentioned the AI generated fake image which appeared three weeks ago. This is the response that had to be made by her. She signed it Childless Cat Lady. Perfect.
I’d bet my left testicle all these millionaire and billionaire celebrities are actually voting Republican… they’re just too afraid of the backlash to admit it… lol.
Well of course she did… it’s easy being a Democrat celebrity…
Agreed. It sure is easy to publicly not be a cunt.
Cult of personality vs cult of personality.
Yep that’s how humans work
“Billionaire endorses politician” 🙄
Why do we care what a rich entertainer thinks?
Maybe we don’t, but she’s got a huge fanbase and they probably do.
I’d rather they not vote at all if they’re just basing their choice on what some billionaire entertainer says.
It’s about sending a message, setting a signal. People should think for themselves, I agree, but come on. Do you ignore all other forms of influence people experience or what weird world do you live in?
what weird world do you live in?
The one where shitloads of people let celebrities influence how they think.
I hate to break it to you, but Trump himself was a celebrity turned president. So we’ve no choice but to live in a world where celebrity seems to be important as some kind of qualification. His other qualification was “businessman” aka used-car-salesman.
Why do they assign weight to her perspective?
She’s at least as qualified as one of the candidates to have a perspective, and has an edge because she hasn’t bankrupted any casinos, sabotaged a nation’s pandemic response, or raped any kids that I know about. Not that qualification is necessary to have or state a perspective.
I strongly question the judgement of anyone who questions the judgement of someone advising voting against Trump.
She’s at least as qualified as one of the candidates to have a perspective
Your measure of merit is “relative to shit”.
I strongly question the judgement of anyone who questions the judgement of someone advising voting against Trump.
You don’t care for facts and reason, only agreement.
That’s not a perspective that deserves respect.
You have yet to demonstrate any facts or reason.
“Don’t vote for the shit candidate” otoh is reasonable.
“Don’t vote for the shit candidate” otoh is reasonable
I agree. That’s why I won’t vote for Trump, Harris, or anyone else that funds their campaigns with corporate money.
Because they admire her
Is it wise that they assign her perspective value because they admire her ability to sing and dance?
They admire more than that. But, like, there’s an implication in the fact that you are posting on Lemmy that you believe people should assign a nonzero value to your perspective; why is that? I would assume that you make your arguments and believe they have value based on their own merit, regardless of the fact we have no idea who you are. Well, Taylor Swift made a post where she stated her position and gave arguments too. Is there any reason her perspective should not have any value but yours and mine should?
Furthermore, if someone does know who she is and wants to also take into account that they admire her music and songwriting, her personality, her perspective, and/or her various life accomplishments, why shouldn’t they? We’re talking about politics here, where everyone is making it up as they go along. She’s not trying to use her celebrity status to get a paper published in a physics journal or something.
I’ve done little more than ask questions about why someone should respect her political perspective because she’s rich singer and dancer.
it’s not, but they do anyway
This story has nearly 600 upvotes, so far. Does that imply that we care about winning more than we care about the the wisdom and agency of others?
yes
You don’t have to if you don’t want.
But whether you like it or no rich entertainers like Taylor Swift get lots of media and views. Which parleys into influence and bringing attention to a candidate or an idea.
This is the reason why anyone that wants to grow a brand and/or an idea will try to get a celebrity to endorse it.
Edit: This doesn’t mean they know more than the average joe it’s all about marketing
Why do others assign value to her perspective? Is she especially qualified to decide whom others should vote for?
If people used logic, Trump would never have made into politics to begin with.
Your research is all yours to do, and the choice is yours to make.
Swift quote from the article. She is telling people to make their own decisions, whilst announcing her own choice and making no claims about qualifications. What is wrong with this?
What is wrong with this?
Her reasoning isn’t communicated in adequate nuance to earn respect for her perspective. She’s chosen what’s safe, politic, and popular rather than risk what her conscience should tell her is right.
Oh geez, I’m guessing you are the one who knows what’s right and speaks the true wisdom of all our consciences… Let us all bow down in respect to Sir Derpy of the correct nuance
My standards are high relative status quo and average relative very basic moral and ethical analysis. I’ll encourage you to choose to also set a higher standard. As a human you deserve better.
Probably because they feel aligned with her values and see her success as an indicator that she is smart. Therefore, she is someone worth emulating.
Does the rich singer and dancer represent her values honestly, is it marketing, or is there some of both? Is it wise to assign her perspective value?
She doesn’t decide who they vote for.
Why does anyone care what a singer and dancer thinks about political representation?
You’re asking more questions in this thread than anyone. I’d be curious why you care so much about who this celebrity endorses. I’m guessing it has more to do with who they endorse than their lack of political background.
I’m guessing it has more to do with who they endorse than their lack of political background.
That’s because it’s convenient and comfortable.
I don’t care what people choose. I only care about the comprehensiveness and quality of their facts and reason.
You’re asking more questions in this thread than anyone.
Isn’t it meritable to ask questions?
She’s not allowed to or qualified to have an opinion according to you?
My point is that not everyone’s opinion deserves respect.
For example, you’ve resorted to strawman instead of asking a question. It’ll be quite difficult for me to respect anything else you’ve to say on the topic.
Why on Earth would you say that, unless you think your opinion is important and valid and worthy of being heard? Yet you out here arguing other people’s opinions aren’t. Wow, great mind. Cry about strawmen a bit more.
Because she has a ridiculous number of fans and this may spur some of them to vote that might not have otherwise.
Hopefully she reiterates it shortly before election day to stir people into action.
Is it wise to want others to choose based on propaganda instead of fact and reason?
No, but it’s what we get. Reality and what is wise do not often go hand in hand.
Should we attempt to change that or upvote 600 times to propagate the nonsense?
We don’t, this is propaganda
Do you even know what propaganda is?
You know, like Trump basically fabricating Swift’s support though bullshit AI and forcing her hand
Do you even know what propaganda is?
This post: the government giving money to pop artists to make them more famous and to do ads for them, also the government spending millions to advertise in online platforms.
There’s almost 600 upvotes so far. If this is propaganda then that fact speaks for itself.
If you are a fan of this pop celebrity you are most likely a victim of propaganda and marketing.
She’s an incredible singer and dancer. I’ve respect for her talent and hard work. If she ever decides to create content for adults and take some risks in composition then I’d probably even enjoy her music.
But, she’s targeting adolescents and young adults. I agree that the majority are victims of propaganda and marketing.
This sub is propagating that nonsense. That’s not good.
Why do we care what you think?
She stated in her post a major motivation for her was the fake AI pictures Trump and Co circulated a few weeks ago, so they definitely care. I actually admire that she is simply stating she plans to vote for Harris, rather than outright endorsing her. Swift advises people to be politically informed and to vote. I think that’s a pretty good message for anyone to say.
She stated in her post a major motivation for her was the fake AI pictures Trump and Co circulated a few weekss ago
That’s definitely a part she should’ve left out.
Why? Again it was her motivation for the post?
Now the Biden administration needs to follow through and declare election day a federal holiday.
“Breaking News” 🤦♂️ Ugggghhhh.
*I guess nobody else is tired of celebrities holding the US political system hostage.
I mean… one of the most influential people on the planet just endorsed a candidate for President. That is pretty breaking news.
More importantly, she was waiting for the best time to do it. I would hate to be the guy who has to tell Trump.
Couldn’t give two shits about all these Pop Star positions. I do delight in this specific one because Trump’s campaign fucked with her, and drew a line in the sand with regard to Generative AI bullshit in a campaign.
They deserve all the negative press that comes from this, and much more. I don’t care for Taylor Swift, but I like this move.
And its Joever.
Was honestly never any doubt Taylor would support Kamala. She is pretty publicly Liberal with a capital L and tends to care about things like autonomy for women and all those crazy things. She probably would have stayed quiet for ticket sales but then the trump campaign deep faked her and…
Said it before and I’ll say it again. If you have to fuck with a frothing at the mouth fandom? Go after k-pop before you go after T-swizzle.
And in case anyone isn’t aware and is taking advice from this post, don’t fuck with K-pop. They’ll fuck you up.
She probably would have stayed quiet for ticket sales but then the trump campaign deep faked her and…
She might have done something more subtle like she did with Joe Biden cookies 4 years ago. I agree, in this case she had no choice but to share her opinion loud and clear.
They waited for the contract
She wouldn’t bother with the pennies they could afford to pay her.
Billionares are money addicts with a mental disorder, they would still lower themself even for 50 dollars. Being endorsed by the establishment is how you become a pop star and how your albums magically top more skilled artists than you.
Shit I wouldn’t go after K pop or the Beehive either.
Swift, 34, signed her post “Childless Cat Lady”
Well played, Tay Tay, well played.
Ah, yes. “It was sarcasm.” Trump pulled that last night too.
If you didn’t like it then I meant something different and you just didn’t get it. Women love that response.
Yeah well played, they got a bunch of millions for promoting politics and they are going to chill in their private jet and buy groceries with it. Have fun today working to death to afford rent and cheap food.
I cannot imagine being this mad about a win over Trump.
A post on the frontpage of lemmy with so many upvotes about a scummy pop celebrity endorsing the red and blue party is a lose for humanity and a win for any billionare or politician.
Not sure I’ve heard Swift described as “scummy” before.
And if you’re so against billionaires and politicians, why are you for the billionaire politician from the party who wants to cut taxes for billionaires, and not the candidate from a working class background who wants to increase taxes for billionaires?
They’ll say they aren’t for him, of course. But consequentially, they are.
If you vote and support people with blood on their hands you are directly evil. If you push a two side narrative when it clearly not you are misleading people
Not sure I’ve heard Swift described as “scummy” before.
Scummy is a kind word for someone who fly his private jet to buy groceries. We are talking about one of the biggest polluting individual on the planet.
And if you’re so against billionaires and politicians, why are you for the billionaire politician from the party who wants to cut taxes for billionaires, and not the candidate from a working class background who wants to increase taxes for billionaires?
I’m neither for a billionare or for a genocide supporter. If you believe calling these out is showing them support you are probably a victim of their propaganda.
I don’t believe Swift buys her own groceries, or that anyone on her staff takes a jet to the grocery store. That’s just dumb.
I think it’s ridiculous that we have a system where someone can make billions singing songs while people providing essential functions have troubles making ends meet, but I haven’t heard any credible evidence that Swift exploits her staff.
Cool whataboutism
That’s the reality
Caption: Taylor Swift, wearing a black turtleneck, holding her dinner.
Many people say she was born in Haiti. Why won’t she show her birth certificate?
I’ll show her mine if she shows me hers first.
sir, close your trenchcoat, we’re talking about documents here
Oh certificate, I thought you meant mark.
Yes citizen, roll up your sleeve and show me your trump nft tattoo
Haiti’s gonna hate hate hate
The cat is like “What is going on? Put me on my bed, I have to sleep”.
that cat looks actually really unbothered by what’s happening
I love the focus on the ‘childless cat lady’ line.
I think that line epitomises the pointless spite that characterises MAGAism. The constant bullying and insults are entirely unnecessary to their agenda but they just can’t stop themselves, and if we end up post-November with them wondering how things might have gone had they not insulted tons of voters this way then I’ll find that delicious.
I suppose the counterpoint is that the insults and bullying might well be necessary, that their ‘othering’ and painting opponents as lesser, more ridiculous, less human enemies is a core part of how such populist fascist movements gain traction. “The cruelty is the point,” as some say.
This is not “breaking news” under any circumstances.
Glad she’s supporting kamala and using her influence, but that being said the celebrity worship nonsense is silly. Not breaking news.
Well, we are talking about a pop star with absolutely staggering amount of influence and reach, specifically with a young demographic. If she were able to motivate her fan-base to vote, that would be a huge deal.
Edit: Holy shit.
Yeah, the fact that I keep seeing this as breaking, or important, news makes me want to break into a broadcast center and pull a “The Network”.
Unfortunately celebrity worship is influence, and influence is the key in elections. No influence, no vote. It is power. And the amount of influential power Taylor swift has is absolutely staggering. I wouldn’t be surprised if her endorsing kamala brings in tens if not hundreds of thousands of voters to register.
I mean she is probably the most popular pop star in the world, so I think it is breaking news if it helps the disenfranchised youth vote for Kamala over Trump.
If Taylor Swift spearheads voter registration drives in swing states and Pennsylvania specifically, the race could be over.
I don’t imagine most of her fans are of voting age, but the exposure certainly can’t hurt.
I mean…Trump has a 60-something year old retired wrestler, and a 50-something trashrock star for his celebrity endorsements.
One seems more significant than the other, especially for women.
I’m the same age as Taylor and I see at least one of my peers attending her concerts every week on social media. Her reach right now is insane.
Sure, I get that. I’d just like the obvious sane choice to be made more than a celebrity endorsement. Feels pretty shitty that we’re at this point.
Our last president was a celebrity, and that’s the second actor we’ve had as president alone. What point are you referring to?
Taylor is 34 and has been popular for over a decade. There are young fans, but she has millions of fans of voting age
Fun fact: Swift’s first album is old enough to vote.
Why would you make me face my mortality in this way
All of my coworkers are Swifties who attend her concerts and constantly play her music. Most of them are in their 30s and 40s. Her audience isn’t as young as you’d think, she’s been making music for decades now.
