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    It appears you absolutely don’t understand modern democratic societies or what they’re good for, i.e. giving every one of their members a livable, just, free, safe life. That’s why e.g., there are equal rights in modern democracies, including for minorities.

    You’re somehow equivocating “democracy” with a “dictatorship of the majority”. That is, frankly, incredibly uneducated at best.

    You even advocate for the option that modern societies should simply be allowed to regress into slaveholder societies. Why? How is this congruent with allowing everyone decent quality of life? And if 75% of the populace decided that you have to become a slave, would you find this just? Would you go along with it?

    the size of which has never been seen before.

    Man, you seem scarily enthusiastic at the prospect. But no, fascism doesn’t win landslides. In a deeply polarized society with an FPTP system, Trump won just 53%. In the richer party landscape of Germany, AfD is below 30%. The way fascism wins is not with landslides but through the undermining of democratic society.

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        Your view of a “democratic society” is not based on actual definitions.

        You may need to look at definitions. You are simply arguing against modern democracy. It may comply with the Greek definition of the term but things have changed.

        If 75% of the population agree on something, do you think that the 25% should get to overrule it?

        If those 75% unjustly take away the rights of a part of the citizenship? Obviously the 25% overrule them. Human rights come before majority vote.

        I displayed no enthusiasm whatsoever.

        Tell that to the person responsible for your phrasing.

        Trump just won 53%….what if JD Vance wins 63% next time?

        Trump somehow keeps dropping hints that people won’t need to vote again. Weird how that happens, especially given that the admin ignores parliament and law and due process wherever it can. Trump’s ratings of course drop right now. The only reason for him to even allow another election to go ahead is if there’s propaganda win to be wrung out of it.

        Would you agree that they won the democratic election and should form government? Would you agree that the democratic process was followed?

        For one thing, in Germany legal proceedings both could and should have occurred against Afd at some point in the past years. Germany shouldn’t even be at this point, the constitution does allow a way out. Politicians of democratic forces literally didn’t do their job.

        The constitution does also include Art. 20 p. 4, legitimizing a general strike against people trying to undo the constitutional order. Realistically, it likely wouldn’t happen nearly at the level needed to make a difference though.

        In any case, no, you shouldn’t give power to obviously antidemocratic forces.