Where do you get your opinion of Americans? The answer doesn’t’ matter because every media outlet, including social media, is owned by billionaires. Lemmy being the possible exception, but don’t tell me you get the impression that Americans are right wing from here.
Doesn’t it seem weird how many think pieces about Trump voters there have been in the past decade? I’ve never seen an article about an Anarchist. Not a single article about someone who didn’t vote. Meanwhile, every algorithm takes you to the furthest right content you’ll accept.
I’m mainly basing my opinion on my experiences living in the UK where everyone complains about “right-wing tabloids” but these newspapers enjoy huge sales figures.
I don’t know much about UK politics, but Murdoch was pushing you right even before us.
I think about tabloids as “Propaganda that pays for itself”. What better way to sow distrust in science than wild stories about nonsense? Repeat a lie enough times and people start to believe it.
Tabloids have comparatively high sales because they’re pap aimed at the lowest common denominator. Young people don’t read print papers, so the tabloids make a business of confirming the worst Boomer fears.
No, the majority of white people and the majority of people who voted voted for Trump. That is a big difference. As much as some liberals want to say “Not voting is the same as voting for Trump”, that is not true.
Weird focus on white people if it adds nothing to your point.
Not voting is certainly not an indication that they didn’t want trump and when dealing with a far right fascist, that is interesting. But we all can have some copium, so that we don’t need to accept that a shocking amount of people are dumb as rocks and that consequently they don’t quite care about stuff like due process, and don’t mind a fascist Leader.
At some point, we need to accept that currently the general public is conservative because they know the old ways and care too little to learn the new ones but get scared of change.
If the shoe fits, wear it. It’s weird that you think my comment “focused” on white people, and also weird that you’re trying to blame all Americans when Republicans are 90% white and the only group that the majority of which ever voted for Republicans.
Republicans are a white problem. There is no other way to put it. Sorry I’m not sorry if you’re unused to being talked about collectively., but not doing so is burying the lede. Every time you said “people”, it would be more accurate if you said “white people”, but you don’t even understand why you don’t do that.
I think it is a weird focus because it was irrelevant to your point, and the discussion at large. I could point out that American christians are far more likely to support trump than non-christians, but why? When we talk about the idea of the us electorate (that you chose to equate to american in your comment to the other guy. So I will say American too)
The collective in question was defined, “why do you think that about Americans?” To move the focus to white Americans is odd in that context. Imagine I would have said, “well republicans are far right”. You would have told me that we don’t talk about republicans but Americans. That I couldn’t and shouldn’t judge a collective by a subgroup. Yet that is what your focus on white Americans does in this conversation. It is not a bad observation, it is just a weird focus in this conversation.
And yes white Americans have voted trump in power, 61% of Americans identify as “white (not mixed)”. 71% of Americans identify as “white”. That is a huge part of the us electorate. If 57% (according to exit polls) of 71% of the us electorate vote for a fascist, of course, that is relevant and it should play a part in how I judge the us electorate.
But in the end of the day, all of that is more complicated than needed to answer the question, why do I believe the us electorate is far right. Trump won the popularity vote. You can break it up. But then we aren’t talking about your initial question, why do you think that about the us electorate? Instead we would talk about e.g. the white us electorate, certainly worth while exploring but not the topic at hand.
If you are unhappy with that, then don’t frame it as you do. I am answering your question precisely. Ask me a different question if you want to talk about a different topic. But don’t dismiss my answer because you don’t like it and claim that your comment didn’t focus onto white Americans and that the majority of the us electorate didn’t vote for trump while blaming white Americans (the absolute majority of the us electorate) for voting for trump.
I am sorry but the us is mostly white and fascist. That is what informs my opinion on us citizens as a collective.
Edit: you also seem very offended by the idea that I judge the us electorate based on a popular vote, saying that not everyone is that way. While happily blaming white Americans based on exit polls, ignoring that not everyone is that way. That is odd. Why can’t I judge the us electorate but you can judge the white us electorate?
Where do you get your opinion of Americans? The answer doesn’t’ matter because every media outlet, including social media, is owned by billionaires. Lemmy being the possible exception, but don’t tell me you get the impression that Americans are right wing from here.
Doesn’t it seem weird how many think pieces about Trump voters there have been in the past decade? I’ve never seen an article about an Anarchist. Not a single article about someone who didn’t vote. Meanwhile, every algorithm takes you to the furthest right content you’ll accept.
I’m mainly basing my opinion on my experiences living in the UK where everyone complains about “right-wing tabloids” but these newspapers enjoy huge sales figures.
I don’t know much about UK politics, but Murdoch was pushing you right even before us.
I think about tabloids as “Propaganda that pays for itself”. What better way to sow distrust in science than wild stories about nonsense? Repeat a lie enough times and people start to believe it.
Tabloids have comparatively high sales because they’re pap aimed at the lowest common denominator. Young people don’t read print papers, so the tabloids make a business of confirming the worst Boomer fears.
The majority voted for trump, a fascist. Idk.
If you tell me you are a good person, I will require evidence. If you tell me you are a bad person, I will trust your word.
No, the majority of white people and the majority of people who voted voted for Trump. That is a big difference. As much as some liberals want to say “Not voting is the same as voting for Trump”, that is not true.
Weird focus on white people if it adds nothing to your point.
Not voting is certainly not an indication that they didn’t want trump and when dealing with a far right fascist, that is interesting. But we all can have some copium, so that we don’t need to accept that a shocking amount of people are dumb as rocks and that consequently they don’t quite care about stuff like due process, and don’t mind a fascist Leader.
At some point, we need to accept that currently the general public is conservative because they know the old ways and care too little to learn the new ones but get scared of change.
If the shoe fits, wear it. It’s weird that you think my comment “focused” on white people, and also weird that you’re trying to blame all Americans when Republicans are 90% white and the only group that the majority of which ever voted for Republicans.
Republicans are a white problem. There is no other way to put it. Sorry I’m not sorry if you’re unused to being talked about collectively., but not doing so is burying the lede. Every time you said “people”, it would be more accurate if you said “white people”, but you don’t even understand why you don’t do that.
I think it is a weird focus because it was irrelevant to your point, and the discussion at large. I could point out that American christians are far more likely to support trump than non-christians, but why? When we talk about the idea of the us electorate (that you chose to equate to american in your comment to the other guy. So I will say American too)
The collective in question was defined, “why do you think that about Americans?” To move the focus to white Americans is odd in that context. Imagine I would have said, “well republicans are far right”. You would have told me that we don’t talk about republicans but Americans. That I couldn’t and shouldn’t judge a collective by a subgroup. Yet that is what your focus on white Americans does in this conversation. It is not a bad observation, it is just a weird focus in this conversation.
And yes white Americans have voted trump in power, 61% of Americans identify as “white (not mixed)”. 71% of Americans identify as “white”. That is a huge part of the us electorate. If 57% (according to exit polls) of 71% of the us electorate vote for a fascist, of course, that is relevant and it should play a part in how I judge the us electorate.
But in the end of the day, all of that is more complicated than needed to answer the question, why do I believe the us electorate is far right. Trump won the popularity vote. You can break it up. But then we aren’t talking about your initial question, why do you think that about the us electorate? Instead we would talk about e.g. the white us electorate, certainly worth while exploring but not the topic at hand.
If you are unhappy with that, then don’t frame it as you do. I am answering your question precisely. Ask me a different question if you want to talk about a different topic. But don’t dismiss my answer because you don’t like it and claim that your comment didn’t focus onto white Americans and that the majority of the us electorate didn’t vote for trump while blaming white Americans (the absolute majority of the us electorate) for voting for trump.
I am sorry but the us is mostly white and fascist. That is what informs my opinion on us citizens as a collective.
Edit: you also seem very offended by the idea that I judge the us electorate based on a popular vote, saying that not everyone is that way. While happily blaming white Americans based on exit polls, ignoring that not everyone is that way. That is odd. Why can’t I judge the us electorate but you can judge the white us electorate?