The “Nazi bar” analogy has nothing to do with literal Nazis except by way of explanation. People tried to explain this to you already.
The point is, when you allow people into your space who nobody wants anything to do with (and specifically because they will tend to attack those people and also they believe they are subhuman), you have decided that your space will be only for those people. Because everyone else will leave. If you don’t want that to happen, don’t let those people into your space. Up to you.
Tagging on this comment so people can see. HC is not exploding heads remastered lol idk why you ppl are obsessed with wanting it to be. I guess y’all are hard pressed on wanting an enemy or something? And that’s what I don’t understand.
I’m jumping in here to pretty much explain what HC is and why it was created. (Alice site admin here)
Let’s clear a few things up about HilariousChaosHC.
I know some of you are under the impression that Hilarious Chaos is somehow tied to Exploding Heads. It’s not. It never was. And it never will be. I’m sorry to disappoint you if that’s what you were hoping for, but it’s just not true.
Hilarious Chaos actually started as a WordPress site—a space for me to share the silly, ridiculous videos I make. The move to Lemmy happened for one simple reason: Lemmy has mobile apps, and I prefer using Android apps over websites. WordPress doesn’t have an Android app that works the way I want it to, so we migrated.
If any of you took five seconds to browse our communities, you’d see what Hilarious Chaos is really about:
Sloth Me
Christie’s Perspective
Governor Chris Christie’s Solo Videos
Farts and Poop
Shitty Ass Hilarious Chaos
Random Shit - Stock Talk Videos
One on One
The Delicate Daisy Den
What do all of those have in common? Pure silliness. This instance wasn’t created for political tribalism. It was created as a playground for my bizarre humor.
As we federated, people started projecting onto us—spreading this weird narrative that we’re somehow the reincarnation of Exploding Heads. We’re not. Exploding Heads is gone. Its not coming back. Move on.
Now, if we’re being really honest here, a lot of this drama comes down to one thing: Hilarious Chaos allows conservative content. We don’t allow Nazis. We don’t allow hate speech. But yes—we allow conservatives to post and speak like everyone else. And that rubs some of you the wrong way. So instead of being upfront and saying, “I don’t like that this instance allows conservatives,” you spin these false narratives.
If you’re gonna criticize, at least be honest about what you’re mad about.
If you’re gonna criticize, at least be honest about what you’re mad about.
I think about 80-90% of the criticisms here are, very openly and honestly, because of the “conservative” content on HC. Personally, I noted the relationship between the two, but I honestly don’t give too much of a shit what the instance used to be or what it is called now.
I tried at quite a bit of length to explain to splinter what the issue was. Conservative viewpoints are allowed. I guess. Although they’re obviously unpopular, no one will stop you from making a community full of “Stephen Miller’s immigration policies are a really good idea” and “Trump negotiated cease-fires in Gaza and Ukraine, what a wonderful job he is doing.” What you guys are asking for is:
To be able to provide a safe space for those things, and correspondingly for people who have been ejected from other forums because their interpersonal behavior on Lemmy is about as gross as you’d expect from a person who believes those things. Which means inevitably your instance is going to be pretty much only that aside from your own content.
To also be popular
That’s not going to happen. Innocent people are getting snatched up and getting shipped to turbo-prison to stay for life for no reason at all. Pretty soon if things continue they’re going to be dying and US citizens are going to be included in the ones getting snatched (more so than they are already). If you’re okay providing a platform for the people doing that, including for deliberate professionally-crafted lies that are trying to smokescreen the whole operation so that it can continue without reasonable people rising up to put a stop to it, people are going to get disgusted by you. If you’re okay with that, cool. If not, but you’re still doing those things, I’m not sure what to tell you.
Don’t forget that they’re also one of the few remaining instances that let ban-evading trolls create alt characters and pretend to be someone else without question.
even though there’s evidence to prove you’re ban evading?
There is no evidence to prove that I’m ban evading. Because I’m not.
Or wait…. Was Universal Monk banned from this instance? Someone should look into that.
A quick search of his name shows that he’s actually on this instance, so he’s not banned from this instance anyway. So not only am I not ban evading because I’m not him; it wouldn’t be ban evading even if I were him.
Also, I’m not the subject of OP’s post, and I’m not the mod who banned OP.
Perhaps the admins/mods here would want to talk to the mod team at /Politics, and perhaps they don’t care. Either way, everyone knows who you are.
Let’s take a look:
Your BarryGoldwater alt was created on the exact same day as the one you’re using now, you both post in the exact same communities- saying the exact shame shit, about the exact same shit. The communities you post in? Amazingly and totally coincidentally run by either your Universal Monk account, or your DJM account!
Imagine that!
The banner art used on several of your alt’s all come from the same place, the shit-tier writing style in the description is the same shit-tier pseudo-intellectual rhetoric Universal Munk used to spew, and speaking of what Universal Monk used to spew…
You were flat-out busted quoting something word-for-word that was said by Universal Monk several months ago on /Politics.
All one has to do is just ask the mods there.
And if you’ve forgotten, I’m the one you PM’d with threats and personal attacks that finally got you banned from LW.
when you allow people into your space who nobody wants anything to do with (and specifically because they will tend to attack those people and also they believe they are subhuman)
So diva basically just straight up lied to you, I never even said what ever they’re referencing lol here:
If it was true they would have directly linked the comment
But diva is a known Tankie of .ml, lying about other users isn’t even the worst they do, here check this comm for documentation of the shenanigans .ml tankies get up to: [email protected]
People who spend all their time punching left when the US secret police are straight up disappearing people from the streets and sending them to a concentration camp should be treated like the Nazis they are, yes.
Lol “punching left” nah I just don’t subscribe to the idea of replacing capitalism authoritarianism with “left flavored” authoritarianism that the tankies push so hard for
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.
Especially coming from someone from ML; an instance run by a group that openly supports imperialism (including by capitalists that they support), white-washes genocide and supports authoritarianism.
I won’t speak for you specifically, since we’ve never interacted, but we both know ML’s management are openly supportive of imperialism and genocide.
You call LW users nazis, but you are more than happy to affiliate with a group that supports russian genocidal imperialism, knowingly lies about the attrocities commited by the russians and openly cheers for the russian army.
While the democrats should have supported palestine, voting blue would have led to a favourable outcome anyway.
Not voting doesn’t help palestine whatsover. I get the arguments against lesser evil stuff, but its a bit easier to fix a broken system when the system isn’t dissappearing people.
That would be .world the entire last election year telling people to shut up about Palestine and vote blue
I’ll only speak for myself: I was extremely vocal about Palestine and the horror of the genocide there, while also recommending that people vote “blue” because Trump would make that genocide somehow even much worse while also adding many additional horrors to the world.
Absolutely nothing was solved simply by refusing to vote “blue.” The problems were made much worse. That is exactly why I was recommending to vote “blue,” to avoid that happening. This weird strawman where people didn’t care about Palestine, and that’s why they wanted Kamala Harris to win, is totally fucking weird.
Also, the people pointing out that the .ml general consensus view is completely fine with genocide when it’s happening in Ukraine or Xinjiang absolutely have a point. You’re not anti-imperialist, if you are generally in agreement with the .ml hivemind (I don’t know if you are or not, just going by other interactions with people there).
I’ve tried searching through my inbox looking for interactions between us but wasn’t able to find anything, but my inbox is rather…extensive and there’s no inbox searching tools AFAIK lol
Considering diva just straight up lied (see below), id like to review this disagreement we had myself
I just had this weird attack of perspective, man. What the hell am I doing here? I like the idea of talking about politics and keeping up with what’s going on in the world, and bouncing ideas off people and hearing new stuff. But it seems like Lemmy in particular is just full of all these super-weird aggressive people who are wrong about everything.
I feel like there’s a certain perspective that it’s just “oh ho that’s the internet for you” but it really just suddenly seemed like a big waste of time. Like here I am really trying to explain to this dude why his MAGA-friendly instance is not popular, or to Diva why someone might want to vote for Kamala Harris thinking that would be a good thing, and for what? What am I gaining from all of this? It’s not any successful communication with the people I’m talking to specifically, I don’t think.
You were going off because I…cracked a joke on a couple threads about .ml lmao, and then you were specifically going off because someone asked for an Eli5 of “the joke”
You’re missing the point.
The “Nazi bar” analogy has nothing to do with literal Nazis except by way of explanation. People tried to explain this to you already.
The point is, when you allow people into your space who nobody wants anything to do with (and specifically because they will tend to attack those people and also they believe they are subhuman), you have decided that your space will be only for those people. Because everyone else will leave. If you don’t want that to happen, don’t let those people into your space. Up to you.
Tagging on this comment so people can see. HC is not exploding heads remastered lol idk why you ppl are obsessed with wanting it to be. I guess y’all are hard pressed on wanting an enemy or something? And that’s what I don’t understand.
I’m jumping in here to pretty much explain what HC is and why it was created. (Alice site admin here)
Let’s clear a few things up about HilariousChaosHC.
I know some of you are under the impression that Hilarious Chaos is somehow tied to Exploding Heads. It’s not. It never was. And it never will be. I’m sorry to disappoint you if that’s what you were hoping for, but it’s just not true.
Hilarious Chaos actually started as a WordPress site—a space for me to share the silly, ridiculous videos I make. The move to Lemmy happened for one simple reason: Lemmy has mobile apps, and I prefer using Android apps over websites. WordPress doesn’t have an Android app that works the way I want it to, so we migrated.
If any of you took five seconds to browse our communities, you’d see what Hilarious Chaos is really about:
Sloth Me
Christie’s Perspective
Governor Chris Christie’s Solo Videos
Farts and Poop
Shitty Ass Hilarious Chaos
Random Shit - Stock Talk Videos
One on One
The Delicate Daisy Den
What do all of those have in common? Pure silliness. This instance wasn’t created for political tribalism. It was created as a playground for my bizarre humor.
As we federated, people started projecting onto us—spreading this weird narrative that we’re somehow the reincarnation of Exploding Heads. We’re not. Exploding Heads is gone. Its not coming back. Move on.
Now, if we’re being really honest here, a lot of this drama comes down to one thing: Hilarious Chaos allows conservative content. We don’t allow Nazis. We don’t allow hate speech. But yes—we allow conservatives to post and speak like everyone else. And that rubs some of you the wrong way. So instead of being upfront and saying, “I don’t like that this instance allows conservatives,” you spin these false narratives.
If you’re gonna criticize, at least be honest about what you’re mad about.
Assuming you mean american conservativism then seems like the criticism is justified.
They do and it is.
I think about 80-90% of the criticisms here are, very openly and honestly, because of the “conservative” content on HC. Personally, I noted the relationship between the two, but I honestly don’t give too much of a shit what the instance used to be or what it is called now.
I tried at quite a bit of length to explain to splinter what the issue was. Conservative viewpoints are allowed. I guess. Although they’re obviously unpopular, no one will stop you from making a community full of “Stephen Miller’s immigration policies are a really good idea” and “Trump negotiated cease-fires in Gaza and Ukraine, what a wonderful job he is doing.” What you guys are asking for is:
That’s not going to happen. Innocent people are getting snatched up and getting shipped to turbo-prison to stay for life for no reason at all. Pretty soon if things continue they’re going to be dying and US citizens are going to be included in the ones getting snatched (more so than they are already). If you’re okay providing a platform for the people doing that, including for deliberate professionally-crafted lies that are trying to smokescreen the whole operation so that it can continue without reasonable people rising up to put a stop to it, people are going to get disgusted by you. If you’re okay with that, cool. If not, but you’re still doing those things, I’m not sure what to tell you.
I’ve literally messaged you about Nazi content on your instance and you ignored me. Nice fucking try.
You’re right on most of that, but the few conservatives flood the news and politcs communities there.
Avoiding a few other ones, the instance is fine.
And it’s easy to block and avoid those communites if you don’t like them.
Don’t forget that they’re also one of the few remaining instances that let ban-evading trolls create alt characters and pretend to be someone else without question.
I wouldn’t know. I’m not obsessed with trying to figure out if people have alts, but as far as I know, I’ve never come across that there.
Even though there’s evidence to prove you’re ban evading?
Or wait…. Was Universal Monk banned from this instance? Someone should look into that.
There is no evidence to prove that I’m ban evading. Because I’m not.
A quick search of his name shows that he’s actually on this instance, so he’s not banned from this instance anyway. So not only am I not ban evading because I’m not him; it wouldn’t be ban evading even if I were him.
Also, I’m not the subject of OP’s post, and I’m not the mod who banned OP.
Perhaps the admins/mods here would want to talk to the mod team at /Politics, and perhaps they don’t care. Either way, everyone knows who you are.
Let’s take a look:
Your BarryGoldwater alt was created on the exact same day as the one you’re using now, you both post in the exact same communities- saying the exact shame shit, about the exact same shit. The communities you post in? Amazingly and totally coincidentally run by either your Universal Monk account, or your DJM account!
Imagine that!
The banner art used on several of your alt’s all come from the same place, the shit-tier writing style in the description is the same shit-tier pseudo-intellectual rhetoric Universal Munk used to spew, and speaking of what Universal Monk used to spew…
You were flat-out busted quoting something word-for-word that was said by Universal Monk several months ago on /Politics.
All one has to do is just ask the mods there.
And if you’ve forgotten, I’m the one you PM’d with threats and personal attacks that finally got you banned from LW.
Well said!
places like .world are also Nazi bars though
this is /u/cm0002 in case you were wondering
Wow, so you’ve resorted to just straight up lying about other users now LMAO
Gee I wonder why you don’t directly link to the comment I supposedly said
Oh, because it doesn’t exist
You’re joking, right? Or am I missing something?
So diva basically just straight up lied to you, I never even said what ever they’re referencing lol here:
If it was true they would have directly linked the comment
But diva is a known Tankie of .ml, lying about other users isn’t even the worst they do, here check this comm for documentation of the shenanigans .ml tankies get up to: [email protected]
I got confused (multiple times), but, yes. It does seem Diva is a stereotypical tankie.
Note how they also love victimizing themselves.
People who spend all their time punching left when the US secret police are straight up disappearing people from the streets and sending them to a concentration camp should be treated like the Nazis they are, yes.
Lol “punching left” nah I just don’t subscribe to the idea of replacing capitalism authoritarianism with “left flavored” authoritarianism that the tankies push so hard for
[email protected] for documentation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Ok, I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were saying cm0002 is a Nazi or something like that.
I disagree with the characterization of LW, but at least now I correctly understand what you are saying. 😀
feel free to disagree with it, from where I’m standing they are, and he is
No, this is a ridiculous statement.
Especially coming from someone from ML; an instance run by a group that openly supports imperialism (including by capitalists that they support), white-washes genocide and supports authoritarianism.
That would be .world the entire last election year telling people to shut up about Palestine and vote blue
I’m an anarchist, I don’t ‘support’ any of these parties beyond having a cautious optimism seeing China execute billionaires who misbehave.
I won’t speak for you specifically, since we’ve never interacted, but we both know ML’s management are openly supportive of imperialism and genocide.
You call LW users nazis, but you are more than happy to affiliate with a group that supports russian genocidal imperialism, knowingly lies about the attrocities commited by the russians and openly cheers for the russian army.
While the democrats should have supported palestine, voting blue would have led to a favourable outcome anyway.
Not voting doesn’t help palestine whatsover. I get the arguments against lesser evil stuff, but its a bit easier to fix a broken system when the system isn’t dissappearing people.
I’ll only speak for myself: I was extremely vocal about Palestine and the horror of the genocide there, while also recommending that people vote “blue” because Trump would make that genocide somehow even much worse while also adding many additional horrors to the world.
Absolutely nothing was solved simply by refusing to vote “blue.” The problems were made much worse. That is exactly why I was recommending to vote “blue,” to avoid that happening. This weird strawman where people didn’t care about Palestine, and that’s why they wanted Kamala Harris to win, is totally fucking weird.
Also, the people pointing out that the .ml general consensus view is completely fine with genocide when it’s happening in Ukraine or Xinjiang absolutely have a point. You’re not anti-imperialist, if you are generally in agreement with the .ml hivemind (I don’t know if you are or not, just going by other interactions with people there).
Not a single person said that.
It all makes sense now.
I’ve called them out before on their bs, but only got downvotes for it.
I’ve tried searching through my inbox looking for interactions between us but wasn’t able to find anything, but my inbox is rather…extensive and there’s no inbox searching tools AFAIK lol
Considering diva just straight up lied (see below), id like to review this disagreement we had myself
I think she was talking about a comment from me.
I couldn’t make out what her point was, but somehow I said something and she thought that you had said it.
That is HILARIOUS lmao I wasn’t even in this thread until now so ig im living rent free ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
She has def called me a Nazi though so I didn’t doubt it for a second lol
I just had this weird attack of perspective, man. What the hell am I doing here? I like the idea of talking about politics and keeping up with what’s going on in the world, and bouncing ideas off people and hearing new stuff. But it seems like Lemmy in particular is just full of all these super-weird aggressive people who are wrong about everything.
I feel like there’s a certain perspective that it’s just “oh ho that’s the internet for you” but it really just suddenly seemed like a big waste of time. Like here I am really trying to explain to this dude why his MAGA-friendly instance is not popular, or to Diva why someone might want to vote for Kamala Harris thinking that would be a good thing, and for what? What am I gaining from all of this? It’s not any successful communication with the people I’m talking to specifically, I don’t think.
https://lemmy.ca/comment/15444225
Oh yea I remember now lol
You were going off because I…cracked a joke on a couple threads about .ml lmao, and then you were specifically going off because someone asked for an Eli5 of “the joke”
I wouldn’t say nobody wants you in .world….