• UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
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      13 hours ago

      The bi partisan police state and Military Industrial Complex existed before Trump ever took public office.

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        22 hours ago

        A fair point.

        I would point, however, to that emphasizing the need to create a progressive party, rather than prioritizing the destruction of the now-castrated Dems.

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          22 hours ago

          The entrenched power structure is always going to narrativize a genuine alternative to the Democratic party as harsh toned leftists destroying things to destroy things, so if you are afraid of that in your rhetoric (even if you end up supporting more reform like policies in the end) you are already making it incredibly easy to be walked all over by people that resist all change.

          No, the strategy is to go for the throat of the DNC and happily back off when they realize you aren’t messing around and give material concessions to the people they are supposed to represent. This is why the tea party was unfortunately successful, now is when the left does our version.

          If that breaks the Democratic party in the process, that is their fault for building a house of cards indifferent to the suffering of people in the US.

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            22 hours ago

            Bruh, “Have a new tool ready before you get rid of the old one” isn’t being afraid of leftism, even rhetorically. It’s asking leftists to treat this scenario seriously, and not like the population of the US is just waiting to burst out singing the Internationale as soon as the right vanguard pops up on the scene.

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              21 hours ago

              I think in this moment as a leftist I am asking centrists like you to take the blinders you have on seriously.

              Can you not see it is evident that the U.S. populace is far more ready to throw the status quo out than you are?

              There is no center to defend here, change is the only option and your only choice is whether that change is directly into fascism (which is what advocating for centrism in a moment like this ultimately does) or into a progressive, forward thinking bold vision of the future.

              We need a green new deal, not some lame ass policy propped up by Biden, Hillary, Shumer… and from the very beginning the visions put out by centrist Democrats are steeped in a cynical complete lack of vision that surpasses even Conservatives in inability to see any change in the status quo (though their visions are far scarier of course).

              There is no “returning” to anything, there is only moving forward and centrist Democrats legitimately scare the shit out of me with how baby like they are with being afraid of change, it puts the future of this country in great peril.

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                17 hours ago

                Can you not see it is evident that the U.S. populace is far more ready to throw the status quo out than you are?

                Jesus Christ.

                I think in this moment as a leftist I am asking centrists like you to take the blinders you have on seriously.

                Talk to people outside of your circles. Check polls, even if they disagree with your preconceptions.

                This country is not as left-wing as you think it is, and it just elected a literal outright unashamed fascist.

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                21 hours ago

                Progressives have not put in the time and effort of making something like you are describing.

                Maga did and reformed the GOP but progressives are content not voting and idly bitching on twitter.

                Put in the effort and maybe people will take you seriously.