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      Shouldn’t’t need it. Instead I say the push should be that any AI trained on public resources must remain public and any derivative of that model also must remain publicly available.

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          I don’t care about copyrights. I care about content.

          Every paid artist could disappear. Content will still be created. Probably better content and products then anything created under any copyright and IP as is now.

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              Absolutely. The Internet pre monetization was way better than anything today. It was funnier. It was more original. It lacked all the dumb attention whores today who only exist to profit like Andrew Tate, Rogan, H3, Jordan Peterson

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                I agree with this, but I don’t think we’ll ever be able to have that again. AI slop is drowning out all the genuine content regardless of monetization. What’s the incentive to put hours of effort into something if nobody will ever see it because every hour another 1000 AI versions were generated and they’re all “close enough” to fool someone not paying attention?

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            If we didn’t have copyright then people wouldn’t be able to justify putting effort into creating content because they wouldn’t be guaranteed financial compensation for the time and effort they put in.

            Everything costs money, If I’m writing a novel I still have to pay the bills I still have to buy groceries I still have to pay for water and electricity I need to be compensated for my time.

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              You are literally typing on Lemmy. How much did you pay to use this? See any ads around?

              Open souce devs would strongly disagree with this.

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              If we didn’t have copyright then people wouldn’t be able to justify putting effort into creating content because they wouldn’t be guaranteed financial compensation for the time and effort they put in.

              The irony of saying this on Lemmy. Lemmy is piece of software developed and distributed for free to people who host it for free. If somebody truly wants to make something they will create it even without profit incentive.

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                Scale Lemmy to the size of Reddit and we’ll see if good Samaritans are still willing to host it for free.

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                  That’s not really relevant to the discussion. The number of users doesn’t matter. The point is that people will still create things even if there’s no money in doing it.

                  Jellyfin is another example of something I use every day that is completely developed for free. The is no difference whether 100 people or 100 million people use it. It exists because the people who built it want it to exist.

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                    It is relevant, free development/services is nice and all, but when you’re spending all your time doing it at some point you still need to eat and that requires money so what do you do? You either give up on the free stuff or reduce the amount of time you spend doing it so you can find a job meaning you lose practice and aren’t at good at it.

                    I’m sorry to tell you but the people who are the best at what they do don’t do it for free, the reason they’re the best is that they can afford to do it full time because they make a living off it.

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              I have needs and wants as well. I hope you get paid well. But when you stand in the path of something I think to be progress then we conflict. I don’t believe I’m endorsing someone stealing your work and profiting. I just believe that we all should have access to information to do what we want and build off it. Instead we have a world where Facebook trademarks the word face. Where the birthday song is owned by a company and can’t be used in other content. Where we can’t play mini games within load screens

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                I’m not standing in your path of success, fiscal reality is. If you want your utopia future by all means, but you need to actually come up with a solution.

                Making naive comments online isn’t a stance, it’s just declaring to the world you don’t know what you’re talking about.

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                  I know what I want. I don’t have to care that you think you should stand in the way of people creating new things. If they’re not copying your work then it’s not a problem. If they buy your book and use it to train an AI that is ethically fine. I don’t support the growth of intellectual property laws.

                  And I don’t buy for a second that the world is a better place with artists all fighting to be the next best seller or financially stable painter. The world will turn people will create and I’ll argue until I day I die that the best content ever is the stuff nobody is looking to profit from. That’s the stuff that is actually created from a place that’s pure creativity

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                    It must be nice to go through the world and be so sure of something so utterly stupid. Who cares about reality, I have FEELINGS.

                    Seriously you’ve completely failed to listen to literally anything that I said. Give me an example of a novel that was Self-Published that is better than anything that was commercially available.

                    By definition anything that’s good enough to make money makes money.

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                    So the best books are the ones that never get published? The Best music is free on Soundcloud? The best movies are freely available on Peertube?

                    Your realize that in order to achieve greatness in a field it takes time, if artists can’t live from their art because anyone is free to just make copy of it and to sell it and keep the profit to themselves then instead of making art they’ll have to find another job instead.

                    You might believe that AI will replace them, but AI doesn’t understand what it’s doing it just regurgitates stuff until the person asking for it finds it good enough. It lacks the will to generate emotions in the viewer or listener.