• @[email protected]
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    2 months ago

    Damn. This must be one of the most terrifying cyber attacks of all time. Like, Mr. Robot level of breach and execution.

    In that show they rig the UPS batteries of server buildings to blow up, this is basically the same idea on a smaller scale.

    Either that, or they compromised the manufacturer of the pagers and put small explosive devices in there. Truly legendary and insane.

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      2 months ago

      no way it was just the batteries.

      batteries burn but don’t detonate with shrapnel

      it was altered devices with explosives added.

        • @[email protected]
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          12 months ago

          As someone who’s accidentally punctured a large lithium ion battery with 100% charge I can tell you that explode isn’t exactly the right word. While I’m sure you could create an enclosure that could explode from the pressure, the battery itself just kinda shoots out a small jet of fire along with some toxic gas.

      • @[email protected]
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        12 months ago

        Yeah they got into the supply route and added c4 to all those pagers. Makes me wonder how many pagers or smartphones have added explosives still.

    • Badabinski
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      12 months ago

      Yeah, I’ve been wondering how the fuck they pulled this off. If it turns out that the only pagers that exploded belonged to Hezbollah members, then that would signal to me that this was done entirely digitally.

      I’ve heard that batteries (can’t remember if it was laptop or phone batteries) contain the energy of a small grenade, but getting it to release that energy all at once without physical access is absolutely fucking wild and has serious fucking implications for device security.

      EDIT: To avoid spreading misinformation, I’m providing this edit to say that the batteries absolutely were not the cause of the explosion. This was a supply-chain attack. Explosives were inserted into the pagers. The batteries in these pagers cannot be made to explode like this. I was overly excited when I made this comment.

      • @[email protected]
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        I’ll save you time. Licensed factory in Europe, making Chinese beepers, was compromised or owned by Israel. They then put explosives in the pagers and set them to explode when paged a certain code.

        They knew hezbollah was the purchaser, and would disperse them amongst its members.

        I think its stupid unless it stopped some imminent horrible attack. Otherwise, Israel has given themselves away, and only killed 8 people for it. Maybe they had trouble rigging them to steal their communications.

        • @[email protected]
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          02 months ago

          It wasn’t “stupid”. As a psy-op, it further complicates Hezbollah’s communications, sows fear among Hezbollah members, demonstrates Israel’s far-reaching capabilities, makes civilians suspicious of Hezbollah officials, etc. If Israel does something similar a couple more times, Hezbollah will have to resort to bicycle couriers and smoke signals.

          It also undermines Hezbollah’s credibility. The Lebanese people are not stupid. They know that Hezbollah is a shadow government allowing Iran to control Lebanon and use it as a staging ground for attacks on Israel. That leaves Lebanon in a permanent state of semi-war with Israel, not to mention its involvement in multiple other external conflicts. None of which is helpful for the health and prosperity of Lebanon.

          Lebanon is a natural trading nation and always has been. It is a beautiful country full of kind people with excellent commercial instincts. They are held down as a nation by the fact that Hezbollah has turned the country into a pawn of the Ayatollah.

          • @[email protected]
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            02 months ago

            Thats a fair opinion, although I think its likely to cause the opposite reactions than you listed. But again, who really knows.

            Also I’m sure most people in most places are good people, just like anywhere, Lebanon included.

            • @[email protected]
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              02 months ago

              Good point. I should have qualified what I said by saying that the Israeli operation may have the effects I listed. But, as you say, it might backfire and have the opposite of the intended effect. I guess that is always a risk with these types of operations.

              • @[email protected]
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                -12 months ago

                Maybe the truth is both will happen, but its not clear which would be the majority opinion, or the opinion of those in power.

        • @[email protected]
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          02 months ago

          Specifically in Hungary, same country that has been voting with Israel in the UN and also has a Fascist government.

          It sure makes manufacturing involving explosives much more easily to go ahead if the local government has approved of it.

          I’m curious what this will do to the “Made In EU” brand in the rest of the World.

          • @[email protected]
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            02 months ago

            There was already an article I saw saying it will have a chilling affect on western electronics to at least some degree.

    • Encrypt-Keeper
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      02 months ago

      Probably not. It was almost certainly the case that these pagers were already connected to explosives, probably to be IEDs. All Israel would have had to do is page the pagers to detonate them. I can’t think of any other logical explanation.

      • peopleproblems
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        02 months ago

        I don’t think the thousands of pagers built this way really count as “improvised.”

        That being said, it makes me wonder if this went in any way according to plan - 8 deaths and 2750 injuries is a large scale attack, don’t get me wrong. But they’ve now announced Mossad has compromised the supplier of the pager, which they will undoubtedly audit, and instill new policies on device security. I wouldn’t be surprised if that means they discover a lot more compromised electronics, allowing Hezbollah to pinpoint the compromise. Because 2750 survived, you now have 2750 people very interested in finding it.

        In all, for 8 deaths, they’ve made their own work harder.

        That being said 2750 injuries could be a large enough number to scare members out of the org.

        • @[email protected]
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          12 months ago

          I heard they recently switched to pagers because cell phones where deemed to be compromised. So I think besides the direct deaths and injuries, this attack also targeted lines of communication and trust in technology as a whole (or anything supplied by your superior even).

    • @[email protected]
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      -12 months ago

      I am surprised the name of the manufacture is not out. This basically raise privacy concern.