Really you don’t need to read more than one chart:

If you vote for anyone other than Harris, you’re voting for Trump:

  • @[email protected]
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    02 months ago

    certain lemmy users around these parts absolutely frothing at the mouth seeing this graph

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      02 months ago

      The argument is always that “A vote for Not X is a vote for Y”, forgetting how many third party voters would simply skip the ballot line or refuse to vote at all if these options weren’t available.

      Calling Jill Stein and Chase Oliver “fascist enablers” for appearing on the ballot misses the entire reason they have a vote base at all.

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        02 months ago

        Fuck Jill Stein. Never forget the dinner she attended

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          If people can tolerate Trump being on the Epstein flight logs and Harris taking enormous sums from the Crypto-Bros, I don’t think Stein’s dinner with the Russians is going to phase them.

          But I guess you can always default to the Libertarians. Can’t think of anything problematic about a bunch of Americans that idolize Milei.

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            -12 months ago

            And the enormous sums she taken from AIPAC, and refusing to prosecute one of the architects of the 2008 housing crisis, opposing body cams on cops, locking up parents of truant children, etc. etc.

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              Oh sure, but this is all far-right pro-Trump propaganda. Don’t let it influence you in any way.

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                -12 months ago

                Facts are not propaganda, you may believe that everything you disagree with is propaganda. She has a well-documented history of an being authoritarian right-wing cop

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                  Facts are not propaganda

                  Ben Shapiro ass response.

                  Selective release of and focus on information is a classic propaganda technique.

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                    -12 months ago

                    It is selective because those are pretty significant issues to be selective about. When she is in a position of authority like she was in California, she is very right-wing. She’s very Draconian she’s very authoritarian.

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                  also I believe that was sarcasm and they were agreeing with you.

                  edit: unless they weren’t. I honestly don’t know anymore lmao. cause they’re right about propaganda but that doesn’t mean it’s cool to just disregard facts that make you feel less good about doing something. One should take in the whole picture.

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                    -12 months ago

                    I don’t bother trying to decipher sarcasm anymore when a majority of the bullshit isn’t sarcasm.

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      A similar article will be posted every time Monk posts one supporting a 3rd party spoiler from now on.

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        Genuine question: why has he not been banned? To me he seems to repeatedly violate the rule about arguing in good faith, and - to be honest - his passive aggressive civility feels at times more hostile than straight up attacks.

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          We’ve talked about it amongst ourselves with the mods and admins and have concluded that having a shitty opinion is not infringing.

          They do post legitimate sources with legitimate opinions. They’re BAD opinions, but you aren’t going to get banned for having a bad opinion.

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            12 months ago

            It’s not the opinion, it’s the JAQ energy and baiting.

            If they just posted articles, that’s one thing.

            They legitimately try to bait people into being heated about things. Afterwhich, they cry victim

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            I don’t much have an issue with the material they chose to post - the nature of a link aggregator will sort them to the bottom regardless due how how voting works and as you say, they’re legitimate sources.

            My issue is more regarding their conduct in the comment sections.

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                Have ya ever heard of Southern politeness? Cause ya can technically be cordial while being a complete shitbag, a good example being “bless your heart” more or less meaning go die in a hole.

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        Spoiler implies we would vote for a Democrat if there were no 3rd party options. We would not. There’s a larger chance you would vote for a republican than us voting Democrat

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          For you, personally, that may be true. Statistically speaking, in general, it’s very much the opposite:

          https://www.thirdway.org/memo/the-data-how-third-parties-could-be-spoilers-that-elect-trump

          “Similarly, Third Way’s polling has found that Biden’s voters are 13 percentage points more likely to consider voting for a third party than Trump’s voters. While Biden has a higher ceiling, with his possible vote totals well north of 50%, Trump has a stronger floor: his voters are more loyal, so third parties are less likely to draw them away.”

          If you lean left, and you fail to vote for the Democratic candidate, you only help the Republican candidate.

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            There’s the confusion, we dont lean left, we are left. Democrat voters lean left then vote for non left leaning candidates. In rhetoric the DNC may sound like they lean left but in action they do not.