Just realized that the first time the Swarm was on a CoD game was on BO2, which takes place in 2025, lmfao

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    Million casualties*. Irreplaceable Soviet tech destroyed by the dozens to the tune 40 billion in one day. Years of armored vehicles and artillery being whittled away.

    It’s high time zelaney took down Kursk bridge or even took a pot shot at the kremlin. After all, Russia took out Ukraine’s main military HQ at the outset of the war. Turnabout is fair play

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      Minor correction, it’s a million casualties on the Russian side. Dead number is probably around 300k.

      But seriously, imagine going from the number 2 world power to a paper tiger that relies on old stock because they don’t have the manufacturing capabilities to mass produce new equipment. They can barely keep the old shit running.

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        Good correction thank you.

        Let’s also not forget they’re getting drained by China who is getting their petrol so cheap they’re selling it to other countries for a profit.

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      I mean, its a war. Nobody is playing “fair” and you’re delusional if you think they ever were.

      But it’s crazy to fixate on Russian losses and ignore the devastation rained on Ukrainian territory. Or the enormous debts Zelensky has had to assume in order to continue importing new munitions and mercenaries to fight. We’ve already seen bombings inside Moscow and assassination attempts (more than a few successful even) against Russian military and state security leadership. But that’s not budging the front lines. Neither is it curbing the continuous barrage of artillery and Russian-based retaliatory drone attacks.

      This is just the Iraq-Iran War on steroids. Two countries absolutely butchering their youth in a vainglorious attempt to claim hegemony over a minefield.

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        If you were to apply this same logic during various points during the world wars, you’d have been calling for the allies to surrender.

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          Imagine if people had listened at the start of WW1 and stopped the fighting before Germany, Russia, and France were in trench warfare melee.

          How awful would that have been? What would a world without The Battle For The Somme even look like today? Presumably much worse.

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            True. Because with the rate of Russian advance, it will take them decades to even fully occupy the oblasts they want to occupy. By then, Putin will be dead and that is only when Russia fully ceases attacking.

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              That is expected to speedup though as headcount difference keeps getting skewed even more. At some point there just simply won’t be enough people to hold the line.

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                  Realistically, no one worth their salt could replace Putin and expect that person to hold Russia together. Putin made sure no one could upstage him.

                  The best case scenario for Russia post-Putin is to have a Maduro-type leader. Someone competent enough to hold on to power and enrich his cronies boyars, although could never have the charisma to gain enough popular support and cult following of his predecessor. Thus, the next leader is in a precarious hold on the power like Maduro.

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                  Only Russian trolls believe… the entire Russian war machine is dictated by the whims of a single man? There’s no military leadership or political class in Russia that wants to continue fighting in Ukraine?

                  Jesus. Talk about brainwashed.

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        This is such a gross misrepresentation of my comment and my intent. I’m not really sure why you feel the need to grind this ax but there is no way what I said is actually the cause. My heart goes out to the Ukrainian people. My comment was intended to highlight Russia and talk about how sad it is that this country has become a rogue state with a horrible leader and a population that is not willing to say “no,” to highlight their failures.

        I can be sad for both countries btw. Ukraine is obviously the victim here. The Ukrainian people are amazing and have their own rich history and culture as well that deserves to be preserved and respected and cultivated. They do not deserve any of this. But just because I was talking about the impact on Russia does not mean I don’t care about Ukraine. And fuck you for implying otherwise. Next time actually ask me what my thoughts are before projecting your bullshit on me. I do not appreciate your comment at all.

        And since apparently you will twist my words let me be unequivocally clear: Talking about one does not mean I don’t care about the other. So again, go fuck yourself.

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          Ukraine is obviously the victim here. The Ukrainian people are amazing and have their own rich history and culture as well that deserves to be preserved and respected and cultivated. They do not deserve any of this.

          It’s weird to suggest anyone would. But we’ve been hearing about how “Now is the time for a Ukrainian counterattack!” since 2022. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian conscripts got shoveled into Russian defense lines and butchered by mines and artillery, while Westerners cheered like they were watching some kind of pro-sporting event.

          FFS, you can find videos all over the internet of Ukrainians and Russians butchering one another and bragging about it. You can find bespoke influencer news networks bragging about how their team is “Owning” the opposition with grisly reprisals. They’re trending all over social media.

          Talking about one does not mean I don’t care about the other.

          It’s just a show for the West. You don’t actually give a shit, because you don’t see (or care) about the cost anyone is paying.

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            This entire post is literally about a successful counterattack on Russian soil. One with zero Ukrainian casualties.

            What, exactly, do you want from this conversation? People to recognize that Ukrainians are suffering? They do recognize that - that’s why they don’t want Ukraine to lose.

            A defeated Ukraine would suffer far worse than they are now, as retribution for defending themselves and embarassing Russia in the process. Ukrainians would inevitably be conscripted to fight in Russia’s next attempt at conquest anyway.

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              One with zero Ukrainian casualties.

              Zero reported casualties. And then nobody wants to talk about retaliation as a consequence.

              A defeated Ukraine would suffer far worse

              “Things will be worse once the bombs stop falling” is pure war propaganda.

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                Lol what unreported casualties do you imagine there could even be? The drone operators developing carpal tunnel? If they had identified Ukrainians smuggling weapons platforms into the country, the whole operation would have failed.

                And then nobody wants to talk about retaliation as a consequence.

                Right, because Russia hasn’t been trying until now? They haven’t really tried to crush Ukraine, they’ve just been playing around? But now that Ukraine has bloodied their nose, boy are they sure gonna find out what Russia’s capable of. Lol.

                “Things will be worse once the bombs stop falling” is pure war propaganda.

                No, “things will be worse when a nation is conquered by a hostile dictatorship” is not propaganda. Ukraine knows that for a fact, because they’ve been through this before.

                Seriously, what do you even want here? What is the point of this? You want capitulation and appeasement?

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                  Lol

                  What is it with the 101st Chairborn and their need to make light of human casualties?

                  what unreported casualties do you imagine there could even be?

                  Intelligence on the ground, particularly spotters near the target, would be the most obvious potential liabilities.

                  But now that Ukraine has bloodied their nose

                  They’ve been bloodying one another for years on end. This isn’t the first successfully Ukrainian strike since the war started.

                  Seriously, what do you even want here?

                  To quite treating this bloodbath as a fucking football game.

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            You will never find anybody as morally reprehensible as Marxists who support and defend Russia’s genocide in Ukraine. Go fuck yourself Russian shill

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              Marxists want the war to end and the working people to stop killing one another to the benefit of their bosses.

              Only the imperialists need you to take sides in order to continue the killing.

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                No, fuck off moron. Russia started this war, they’re committing a genocide, and they’re 100% responsible for ALL of it. Trying to “both sides” the most obviously one sided conflict in the world by blaming the victims for defending themselves puts you and your shitty ideology in the same tier as nazis, which sounds about right for Marxism. You support and defend Russia’s imperialist genocide, you’re morally reprehensible.

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                  Trying to “both sides” the most obviously one sided conflict

                  Same line Americans used in Afghanistan and Iraq. Same line the Israelis are using in Gaza.

                  The genocidal impulse runs through the West like a plague. All you people know how to do is shoot and cry.

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            Dude I am just teasing out exciting (well as exciting as war can be, which is horrific) scenarios, not drawing up fucking battle plans and speaking with Zelenskyy personally. Back off.

            Imagine if somebody said “they should wipe out half their bomber fleet in one fell swoop,“ I bet you would’ve been a shithead about that too.Well look, they just did it to 40% of them in one day. None of us are experts, and that includes you. So shouting me down for talking about how dumb Russia has been about all this and throwing out totally theoretical scenarios for fun Isn’t helping anybody. I don’t even know what you want from all of this. What do you want? More solemnity? Do you want us to not cheer for Ukraine? I mean what the hell is your goal? We’re just a bunch of assholes on a website shooting the shit.

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              I am just teasing out exciting (well as exciting as war can be, which is horrific)

              I wish people were more willing to confront the horror and less eager to speculate on the excitement.

              Instead, we just see bloodlust. People online clutching their keyboards in rapt anticipation of the next bombing or shelling or assassination, like this isn’t costing uncounted civilian lives to put points on the board.

              What do you want? More solemnity? Do you want us to not cheer for Ukraine? I mean what the hell is your goal?

              To get people to see this as an ongoing disaster, tragedy, and fundamental political failure, rather than some kind of CoD Twitch Stream epic playthrough.

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                I want you to take a second and look at the post that we are commenting on right now and remind you that we are on a community called “shitpost.”

                Edit: I am fully aware of how horrific the situation is for Ukraine and Russia alike. I’m sorry you don’t believe me. But I am also going to cheer when they pull off successful operations and advance their cause. I want Ukraine to survive. I want Ukraine to thrive after this war. I will not apologize for cheering when they pull off impressive operations. That does not preclude my acknowledging the horrors of war. Now kindly leave me alone.

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        This is just the Iraq-Iran War on steroids. Two countries absolutely butchering their youth in a vainglorious attempt to claim hegemony over a minefield.

        What are you even talking about?

        There are no “two countries butchering”. There is no symmetry.

        There is a bandit state which invaded their neighbour (like many other neighbours they invaded before) and are murdering civilians, commiting war crimes and kidnapping children.

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          There are no “two countries butchering”.

          How many more hundreds of thousands of people have to die before the language sticks?

          There is a bandit state which invaded their neighbour

          It’s two populations of conscripts being shoved together in a rain of artillery and a morass of land mines.

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            Ohhhhh you’re one of those people who thinks Zelenskyy is “forcing” Ukraine to defend itself. This makes way more sense now.

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              Zelenskyy is “forcing” Ukraine to defend itself

              Conscription Is Breaking Ukraine

              In Ukraine today, no topic is more barbed than that of compulsory military service. Few want to talk about conscription publicly; men within service age range, 25 to 60 years old, are particularly reticent. “It’s just too sensitive. I hope you understand me,” one man told me, referring to the many families in his circle of friends whose sons, brothers, and fathers are on the front or have perished there. Some fear that speaking out might prompt a letter from the Defense Ministry announcing their call-up. Or worse, they might be plucked randomly by recruitment officers on the streets and, should their documentation prove their eligibility for service, sent straight to boot camp.

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                Wow so all your other shit where you pretended to care and lectured me about the horror of wars was a mask because you are Putin‘s little sock puppet. Blocked. Fucking pathetic.

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              Lol right everyone who disagrees with you is a bot or troll, terminal patriot brainrot

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                It’s all they know. You either agree or you’re a computer trying to trick them.

                But that’s just westerners since the turn of the century. They’ve abolished public education, outlawed free speech, and turned their whole world into pop up ads.

                They’re sick and drowning. And all they know is blaming foreigners for their home grown problems.

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      My idea was to show that because said Russian soldier probably played Black Ops 2 (or even the 2023 Modern Warfare III) and saw a Swarm scorestreak on that game, he’d have instant flashbacks triggered by seeing the drone swarm lol