Summary
Nobel Peace Prize winner Malala Yousafzai condemned the Taliban’s treatment of women at a Pakistan summit on girls’ education in Muslim communities, stating, “The Taliban do not see women as human beings.”
She criticized their policies banning Afghan girls from education and work as “gender apartheid” and un-Islamic.
Afghanistan is the only country banning education for girls beyond grade six, affecting 1.5 million girls.
Malala urged Muslim leaders to challenge these practices and advocate for girls’ education globally.
The Taliban declined to attend or comment.
Something about the “not human” phrasing is bothering me. I get what they’re trying to convey and I don’t dispute it, but it also feels inaccurate in a way that might lead us to miss important aspects of the situation.
I’m sure if you asked an Afghan man how many people live in his home, he’d include women and children in his answer. So I don’t think they literally see women as a separate species.
My gut feeling is more like Afghan men don’t generally believe in the concept of human rights, as opposed to separate sets of rights for men and women. Hell, they may not even believe in the Western concept of rights at all, and may think only in terms of things like religious obligations and cultural norms.
I wonder if there’s a different phrasing we could use that has the same emotional impact but doesn’t suggest questionable conclusions about the world view of Afghans.
I’m sure if you asked an Afghan man how many people live in his home, he’d include women and children in his answer.
I’m not so sure. I have zero basis to think it’s one way or another, but given all the oniony-but-actually-pure-facts headlines of these recent… months? I’m definitely not certain of it.
you shouldn’t base your thinking on western news which generally have an incentive to exaggerate everything related to Afghanistan and taliban.
there’s a recent video from a non-muslim youtuber called Arab going to the taliban and vlogging his experience, from what I saw in his video the taliban aren’t as bad as the headlines suggest, I don’t really like the guy but the videos are good.
the fact that they don’t give girls the same rights as boys are facts, but there’s more to it than just “girl less than boy” as the media portrays it, you need to understand the culture more before coming to conclusions like that the afghans think of women as subhuman.
She isn’t wrong. Imagine not seeing half of the population as human, even though they carried you and everyone who has ever been born in the womb for 9 months and gave birth to you.
I live in the United States. I don’t have to imagine, I can see it up close.
Imagine comparing the situation in the united States, where women have favorable hiring and scholarship status, to the Taliban state where women are literally property and not allowed to get a job or education under threat of death. Like actual death, not someone online telling you something rude.
Who compared the situation? This is about comparable view of women.
JFC can you guys stop acting like your country is the worst place to ever exist? The situation for American women is nowhere as bad as it is for Afgan women. (yet)
The word “chattel” sometimes gets used in conversations like this one, and I think we should stop doing that. It’s a confusing word that most people don’t understand, and is often confused with “cattle” ie cows. I mean just look at this definition:
Chattel is a catch-all category of property associated with movable goods . At common law , chattel included all property other than real property . Examples include leases, animals, and money.
TBH I think “livestock” is a better word all around. It means live animal property, which is accurate. People know what it means. And it has the right negative connotations, too: associating human beings with pigs and chickens, as if they’re on the same level.
Hey according to some that’s okay, because at least they know what a woman is:
That’s okay I’m sure her fellow “women’s rights” defenders wouldn’t do something awful like make fun of Malala’s experiences:
Ofcourse JK Rowling likes that first tweet. What a vile piece of excrement
J.K. Rowling invented “fragile femininity.”
She loses her shit any time anyone tries to broaden or complexity the narrow little definition she is stuck on. She just can’t handle it. A woman has to mean exactly what she says it does, or her femininity is under attack. Such an asshole.
You seem like person who can handle it. What’s a woman then?
Woman is a gender identity which is a socially constructed notion. Whether you’re a trans woman or a midwestern blonde beauty queen, it’s just as much of a made-up complex. It can and does have different meanings in different cultures and contexts. It is distinct from any clinical criteria such as genitalia, chromosomes, etc - it has never been able to be mapped to any of those cleanly so I don’t try. You have the genitalia you have, which is none of my concern. You present yourself as a woman, then that’s how I’m going to take you.
Because I’m pretty open minded I am willing to support multiple answers to this question as valid. However tolerance comes into a conundrum when it comes to tolerating intolerance. I tend to resolve this by not tolerating intolerance, hence my disgust for JKR. If you want to attend the party you have to agree to have fun with everyone there. If you’re going to object to some guests being present, fine, and you can leave. That’s my policy in my house, and that’s my policy for the bigger picture too.
Jfc people are gross
What do hamas think of women?
It’s so telling that in all your replies, you keep going back to how “Hamas is evil” while casually glossing over Israel’s role in this genocide and their constant crimes against humanity.
Exploding buses from Hamas? No no no, inhuman. IDF forces dressing up as healthcare workers to go around unnoticed? Or Israel using civilians as human shields? bUt wHaT aBoUt hAmAs!?
It’s also telling that some 20 days ago, in another post, you wrote
If what Luigi did was terrorism then I support terrorism! Viva La terror!!!
So you do understand violence as a legitimate method of protest/resistance. But you don’t understand it for Hamas or any other Muslim groups. Interesting…
You Zionist trolls are all the same
Luigi killed an oppressor. Teenagers and old ladies that Hamas targets in their atracks are not oppressors. I’m not unaware of Israel, but Hamas does use human shields. This is a fact. Hamas cannot ever do this. It is inhumane. It shreds them of innocence. It makes removing Hamas impossible without innocent loss, and I hear you on wanting thay. If oct 7 resulted in only oligarchs and military leaders and politicians being targeted I’d be having a different discussion. If any intifada by Hamas had desired peace instead of total war, we’d have a different discussion. Hamas is as evil as Israel is, I agree.
So you’re really not even going to try anything else but “bUt hAmAs” in your replies, eh?
Luigi killed an oppressor
So did Hamas. But you keep denying them the same benefit of the doubt you give to this guy. I guess to you all those dead Palestinian people across almost 80+ years of occupation are not entitled to the same level of violence as a random guy who grew up with a wealthy family. You are really showing your true self with this replies.
Teenagers and old ladies that Hamas targets in their atracks are not oppressors
They are called casualties. And they are not directly oppressors, but they are without a doubt settlers of a colonial movement. They are in the line of fire because they went into a land that was not theirs.
I’m not unaware of Israel, but Hamas does use human shields
See my previous comment about your inability to reply without whatabout your way back to Hamas.
If oct 7
There we are. The classic Zionist propaganda coming through.
If any intifada by Hamas had desired peace instead of total war
It is not and it will never be a total war. A war would require at least 2 armies fighting against each other. This is a brutal and one sided genocide carried out by Israel. Period.
Hamas is as evil as Israel is, I agree
I don’t. The level of actions carried out by those 2 entities are not even remotely close. You just value some lives more than others and are trying your very best to condemn people that have been forced to endure a brutal ethnic cleansing campaing for the past 80+ years.
I’ve seen your other replies as well. You are free to reply to me, but I’ve seen and said everything I needed to say to such trolly (read Zionist) behaviors
Good, we see Taliban as demons wearing human skin since time immemorial.
You mean except for when you guys were training and arming them right?
Who is “you guys” and when did this arming and training happen?
Not because I doubt it happened, but because it’s happened enough times with enough people that you need to be specific…
It’s funny how every country is responsible for their actions, except America, cause you guys love to use the shaggy “it wasn’t me” defense towards every atrocity. “It want me, it was that American over there!”
I think Rambo 3 was the one in Afghanistan, where Rambo joins the Taliban against the Russians, which was written that way to reflect the reality of Americans supporting and training the mujahideen of Afghanistan to oppose Russia. Those mujahideen are what turned into the taliban. America has a great history of training their future enemies
The two people you are replying to probably aren’t Americans. One posts in a Philippines com and the other from a .uk domain.
That’s why I was asking which time.
That Taliban rose up because the country was abandoned by the US after helping them see off the Soviet Union (and indeed being one of the catalysts that caused the Soviet Union to collapse). They were left with no infrastructure, and the Taliban stepped in with all the religious crazies in tow. And yeah, a lot of them were the mujahideen who were armed and trained by the US. They’re soldiers after all, and new regimes always need soldiers…
The Russians later gave them some equipment and funding to fight the US when they later invaded, but nowhere near enough to actually fight back. It was going to take more than a couple of rocket launchers for that.
Nobody ever gave a shit about the people there. Not the Taliban, not the US and not the Russians. Nobody is learning from it. You’ve got the exact same shit right now in Syria. They were rebels, then they were ISIS and Al-Qaeda, now they’re rebels again. All based on whether or not they’re attacking the old enemy.
Do you think the person you’re replying to is somehow responsible for Taliban being in power?
The f’n MAGAts and the Taliban share a lot in common.
There’s a reason they call 'em “Ya’ll-Qaeda” lol
ahhh the wonders of religion. humanity’s self-induced blight
She criticized their policies banning Afghan girls from education and work as “gender apartheid” and un-Islamic.
Says right there it is opposite of what the religion teaches?!
At least wait until there is an article that confirms your bias to spit your poison, dude.
Religion is not what religion teaches.
Look what they do, not what they say.
I look at neither. I look at what the scripture says.
Then you are a fool.
Traffic regulations tell drivers to stop at red lights. Dude sees some cars run red lights and goes on hating traffic regulations saying they encourage running red lights. Random guy points out the absurdity but gets called a fool.
Well, what can I say? Have a nice day, dude.
I can assure you that misogyny is not a result of religion, religion is just used to excuse it.
Sometimes the smartest person in the room is a woman. By refusing to educated women, they are limiting the intellectual growth and capabilities of their own culture. Cultures with fair, balanced rules, and systems of living, for everyone regardless of race, gender, or any other thing people imagine matters, will have a stronger society in almost all aspects from that alone. Because most of the things people imagine matter. Don’t. In fact, what matters, is the actual intellectual capabilities of the individual, not how you or anyone else perceives them.
When incels have complete control, basically.
It’s probably good they have basic religious differences or Republicans and the Taliban would have joined forces by now.
