This is not a shitpost.
I declare this to be a shitpost. The bar isn’t exactly high.
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And disabled folks, and veterans, and naturalized citizens…
In other words, the people that refused to cater to the cultic cognitive dissonance are to blame and Democrats will learn nothing.
This is simply stupid. Harris didn’t lose because of a few memes on her Gaza stance or third party. She lost because she’s a relic of the same neoliberal system that has gotten us where we are. Not so say that Trump isn’t. He is a neoliberal as well, and a fascist at that too. It’s just that trumpists are more willing to go to the polls because of the cult-like party they’re in. Democrats need to be pushed out the door with ideas other than ideas stolen from the right. Kamala Harris fumbled her entire campaign and it was obvious from the get go. I honestly do not understand how people thought she’ll win. Hell, she even embraced the fucking Cheneys.
Honest question and I’m being 100% sincere. Did he genocide them last time he was elected? Can you send me more info on what he’s planning to do this election?
Or is it mostly just enabling his voters to hate lgtb people?
Trump supports the genicide of Gaza
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/25/trump-netanyahu-support-gaza-lebanon/
Yes I’m aware of that. OP made it sound like they were more concerned about LGBT genocide
Ah I missed that comment the first time.
Hey, at least the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is about to be finally resolved in our lifetime.
Fuck all non voters. They will be regarded the same as Trump voters in the history books and are the same kind of filth as those.
While I have had criticism of Harris, I’ve never insulated that she(or Biden) wasn’t the much, much better option. I have been called a Burniebro on a discord by someone who doesn’t take criticisms very well.
I am so sick about the Gaza rhetoric and that’s why we lost. Bitch less then 10% of voters give a shit about Gaza. 40% of voters have major concerns about the economy. The next highest concern was immigration at 20%. Foreign policy was a measly 8% of concern for voters.
This goes for people blaming Jill Stein voters. Kamala got wrecked in this election. Even if you add all 3rd party votes to her she still loses.
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lol. 10% (or was it 4% a few hours ago from you dunces…) that literally cost harris 25 electoral points. oops! sure she could have done more on labor. but she wouldn’t even fucking shift to stop being pro-genocide. I doubt she gave a shit about your eggs costing a few cents more. or if you were LGBT+. so she wasnt going to get those votes either.
I honestly think it hurts worse now than it would have if he won in 2020, since we were seemingly so close to getting away from this dirtbag.
Well silver lining I guess is that he can’t be elected again unless he gets it changed somehow
Here’s hoping
You know, knock on wood. At least he’s fucking ancient
I now wish he’d won in 2020. Maybe it would have finally been the thing that stopped D from tacking to the right. Plus, we’d be a month away from being done with him now. We’d be a month away from starting to rebuild from 8 years of his shit. (well ok, more like two months)
Instead, factoring in the supreme court, the house and senate, and figuring all the shit he dismantles will take more than just 4 years to put back together, I figure I’ll be dead of old age (as will anyone over 50) by the time any of the progressive goals that seemed like they could one day be obtainable at the end of 2020 actually have any chance of becoming obtainable again.
And that’s on top of the untold horrors that await the queer community, people of color, folks with special needs, etc etc during the next four years, and I’m now not 100% sure we’ll get another election at all.
If the left is divisible by memes its no wonder they lost to the right.
Imagine thinking that billions of dollars in campaign funds were overturned by a picture posted on Lemmy.
The Left is a group so insignificant that we don’t need to cater to their positions at all, but so massive that they’re completely responsible any time we lose.
Look at Michigan. Nobody was going to ignore Gaza into a victory. The memes and posts were warnings, not divisions. When it became clear she wanted to take a path close to Biden most of us even laid off because it was clear it was more harmful to keep going.
But it turns out that asking the relatives of genocide victims to vote for someone who won’t commit to stopping it is not a good campaign strategy. The divide in Michigan is well within the 140,000 strong registered voters in the Arab community.
Take your fucking L like an adult.
L like
Pronounced “yike” as in Spanish. This is called eliding.
asking the relatives of genocide victims to vote for someone
There are 160,000 Palestinian-Americans. Most of them originate in the West Bank (especially Ramallah) and Jerusalem. Almost none of them are in Michigan. Michigan’s Arab-Americans are mostly Lebanese-descended.
People with family ties to Gaza were a vanishingly small percentage of the electorate. They’re vastly outnumbered by the people who were suckered by the “Dems = Genocide” concern-trolling.
And yet that community in Michigan told us they have lost entire branches of their families. I’m going to believe the actual people in the community.
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Ok, but like at the end of the day, Michigan didn’t fucking matter… it was over the minute Trump won PA . Besides that, look at the demographics and how they voted. Young people, those most likely to care about the Gazan genocide, split the vote by gender for Trump and Kamala. Specifically young white and Latino men overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Is that supposed to indicate that caring about the genocide in Gaza, something Trump has repeatedly talked about amping up, is something that the vast majority of the voting populace cared about? No. Kamala got 14 million less votes than Biden did in 2020, and I’m tired of this same gaza, black woman, etc spiel. It can’t be chalked up to these things alone. The democrats ran an appointed candidate that never would have won a primary on her own, and got the consequences of that.
The blame is not on Biden, nor is it on Harris for not caring about Gaza. The blame lies squarely on democratic party for not figuring out a plan sooner, and the 14 million voters that appeared 4 years ago when it was trendy, but not now when the threat is most grim. Not to mention the fact that not voting for Kamala when her opponent has not only stated that he will allow Israel to continue, but will actually ramp up their genocide is just fucking stupidity, no two ways about it. Just as we tell Trump voters not to vote with their feelings and to listen to rational arguments, we must tell left-leaning voters the same.
Gaza was also a big issue for Gen Z, and blaming the voters for not liking you has never ever made them vote for you.
Did you even read my comment? Gen z split along gender lines, especially the Latino and white vote, as seen above. It was a big issue for gen z, but clearly, given the demographics of voters and exit poll answers, Gaza had very little to do with the outcome of this election. Please go fucking read about what happened in the election before making more arguments in which you have no idea what you’re talking about. Like, fuck, just read about it before commenting.
There’s 13 million votes missing and you don’t think there’s any chance of a significant group of Gen Z men being in that group? Gen Z men went for Trump by 2 percentage points. You don’t think there’s 2 percentage points of Gen Z men who decided not to vote because of the biggest issue polled among gen Z men?
And if Gaza and Michigan wasn’t a big deal then why are you even here? The entire discussion in this thread is about Gaza posters. Michigan going red is a pretty big fucking deal. It’s what pushes this from a tip over to a solid win for Trump. Even if Harris got PA, she wouldn’t have won and what percentage of Democrats stayed home in PA because she ran a neoliberal campaign?
Yes, that’s what I’m saying. Gaza was not the biggest issue among gen z voters and while there is a chance that young men didn’t vote for Kamala because of that, it’s much more likely it was general disdain for the democratic candidate. 14 million voters can’t be explained by gen z in any way shape or form anyway, considering the number of gen z voters that did show up. Why am I here? Because it’s fun to use lemmy and have discussions about politics.
Michigan going red is not a big deal. This is an almost exact repeat of trumps 2016 electoral victory yet you’re acting like he’s treading new ground entirely lmfao. Yes, even if Harris got PA she wouldn’t have won, but after PA was lost, literally nothing else mattered. There was exactly zero chance she won without PA whereas she actually had a path to victory without Michigan. I personally live in PA and I can tell you that I know exactly zero democrats that didn’t vote because of Gaza. Fun fact about that too: I was literally going door to door doing political canvassing, and what I can tell you, overwhelmingly, is that anybody whose top issue was Gaza was easily convinced that Harris is the better choice, whereas tons of men my age (older gen z) were intending to vote Trump because of the economy and inflation, and though he is completely indefensible economically, these were the significantly harder group to convince. If you want to go bring me some numbers as to why you’re right feel free, but so far ALL anecdotal and empirical evidence that I’ve seen shows Gaza not to have been a big issue this election.
I didn’t say they were the entire gap. I said I’m pretty sure you can find 2 more percentage points of Gen Z men in that 13 million. And it’s obviously the biggest issue. We were bombarded with polls showing it was a big issue. It’s the only issue on which they had protest camps setup and barricaded their schools. Saying they had the same concerns as Millennials and Gen X is just ridiculous.
Your anecdotal evidence is not empirical.
Gaza was also a big issue for Gen Z
It was a convenient excuse for their apathy.
Even if it was, you can not win by berating the people whose votes you need. You just can’t.
And if that was their biggest issue they have a point. If the choice is genocide or genocide then why even bother?
or you know the fact you supported their friends getting arrested and told them that ‘there must be order’ I’m sure that absolutely help win them to your side.
