By all criteria, this a concentration camp. Not “concentration camp” as rhetorical inflation, or emotionally manipulative shorthand, or edgy metaphor—but as in: literally.

As in: detention without trial, state control, inhumane living conditions, forced labor, dehumanization, brutal violence, isolation from accountability, psychological torture, and—by every available logical extension—murder.

That last one we can’t yet verify in the strict evidentiary sense, but the circumstances suggest it like smoke suggests fire, and they are already trying to hide their actions and deny what is occurring.

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    Look at the shade of their head. These people had hair. Without hair its easy to think they are typical American gang members with shaved heads. But look at the tan-less skin. They had hair and they were shaved to prevent lice but also to remove their personality. Look at some with glasses. Gang members often hate people with glasses because those people often have more money to pay for glasses.

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    By the way, only some concentrations camps in Nazi Germany were exterminations camps. So even without any mass murder this can easily be regarded as equivalent in function to a concentration camp.

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    America already had concentration camps in the form of ICE detention camps and prisons. The trials most faced before being sent to prison do not some how make those prisons not concentration camps. Those also have inhumane living conditions, forced labor, dehumanization, brutal violence, isolation from accountability, psychological torture and murder.

    El Salvador is certainly worse, but we didn’t get here overnight. The american people have been conditioned to accept this over decades by sending millions of people to internal slave labor camps with the thin excuse of “but they had due process!!!1!”

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    One thing I noted is that the majority of the people that got deported had tattoos.

    Are they intentionally seeking people like that?

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      I mean, this is a level too generic. They aren’t going after 60 year old women with the Rolling Stones logo tattoo’d on their thigh. However, if you are heavily tattoo’d and from a certain part of the world and a certain race, you should be pretty jittery. There’s been some collateral damage in all the ICE sweeps. The current administration is far from highly competent, and their error rate is carrying over to these arrests and deportations. I don’t trust Trump and co. with the smallest of operations, so I definitely don’t trust them with life-or-death, potentially citizenship-violating mass arrests.

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          “I don’t like what they put on their own bodies so I don’t care what happens to them” must be the most brain-dead sentence I’ve read all year

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              stupid. half the college grads I know, a good number of vets, and none who have ever been in trouble, ever, have tattoos. you are just sick in the head. I don’t have tattos, don’t like them, but I don’t choose my friends by it, or use it as a moral compass.

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                  i know no good people named shuhsha, and one bad one, therefore we should fucking find and kill them, lock you up and let you suffer the most inhumane fate known to mankind.

                  yeah it sounds pretty stupid?

                  or are you different? this isn’t a real argument, it’s in bad faith as a matter of category.

                  man i’ll stop feeding the troll but whoever you are i hope you know you’re stupid, vile fucking human garbage and partly responsible for the destruction of western society, not whatever weird bizzaro rhetoric you might have in turn to explain why it isn’t “like the good ol days”.

                  i’d type more but im frankly not even sure you can fucking read, idiot. lmfao.

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              So where does the jump from “people that I should avoid” to rounding up and being sent to concentration camps happen? I don’t really care if you avoid people with tattoos, but where do you get off using that as a basis for persecution?

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                  I’m not using it as a basis for persecution. I’m saying that I don’t care if they are persecuted

                  Those things are the same thing.

                  First they came for the Communists

                  And I did not speak out

                  Because I was not a Communist

                  Then they came for the Socialists

                  And I did not speak out

                  Because I was not a Socialist

                  Then they came for the trade unionists

                  And I did not speak out

                  Because I was not a trade unionist

                  Then they came for the Jews

                  And I did not speak out

                  Because I was not a Jew

                  Then they came for me

                  And there was no one left

                  To speak out for me

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              I never liked tattoos and they’re more-often-than-not an indicator of people that I should avoid.

              I never liked bootlicking, individualistic, snowflake fascists and they’re more-often-than-not an indicator of people that I should avoid.

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              I never liked glasses… People who wears glasses think they make them look more inteligent, and its true.

              And that’s why I’m OK with putting every g*asses wearer in the meat grinder.

              Yeah, totally normal train of thoughts

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              I really hope you’re a child. If you are an adult with this opinion, I feel bad for anybody you come into contact with

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          Everyone: stop feeding the troll or at least treat them like the lame troll they are. A 22 day old account whose first comment can be summarized as “I’m okay with people with tattoos going to concentration camps”.

          There are many very stupid people in the world, but few people this stupid. It’s likely a troll.

          Edit: see, even their response to this comment is designed to encourage engagement by making an easily verified false claim. Obvious troll is obvious and not even particularly creative.

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              LOL you’re going to have to up your game kid, your trolling is much too obvious. I suggest sandwiching the baiting comments you want people to “rage correct” between plausible statements a person of normal intelligence would make. When every comment makes you appear implausibly stupid, it just becomes laughable. Once someone points out how you’re trolling, you’ve hit the rocks.

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          Holy crap I can’t believe you think this is about tattoos and not about atrocity. “I am okay with people being sent to concentration camps, tortured, and murdered because I don’t really like tattoos. If you find this view objectionable, it’s just because you have the tattoo mind virus and cannot tolerate criticism of tattoos.” I cannot express how fucked up this is to say. Like you may be completely detached from reality in this moment and should probably isolate yourself until loved ones can help you. You may be in danger.

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          Well by that logic I don’t particularly like beards therefor, all men with beards must be avoided.

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          You joined April 2, 2025. I believe you are just here for thread drift, purposely derailing the topic into a meaningless discussion of tattoos by sharing ragebait.

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          Can i ask where in the world you’re from? I’m personally from Denmark where tattoos are pretty common – i have some myself. But as i’ve come to learn, the perception of tattoos differ widely around the world.

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          I’m honestly ok with sending you to a concentration camp with no regards for your safety or wellbeing after that comment.

          Tattoos are a form of free speech that applies to one’s body, and should be afforded all of the protections of the first amendment.

          I cannot believe we’re having this conversation in 2025.

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      This facility, built under President Nayib Bukele’s “war on gangs,” houses over 40,000 men, most of whom were arrested en masse without any process resembling justice—just tattoos, zip codes, or looking nervous.

      Not just American deportees…

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          Tattoos are not a sign of a culture getting bad.

          Your behavior of intolerance is a sign, however.

          People like you are why I wish the US had re-education camps like China. You need to unlearn your bullshit.

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              most of whom were arrested en masse without any process resembling justice—just tattoos, zip codes, or looking nervous.

              That’s the price they pay for letting their culture get that bad.

              Why are you talking about tattoos here?

              The person you’re responding to highlighted some text from the article, pointing to injustice of the regime by believing tattoos automatically = jail.

              You said their “bad culture” is the price they pay, implicitly grouping tattoo, zip codes, and looking nervous defined by the previous comment all under “bad culture” of those who do go to jail.

              You then gaslight me for pointing out your fascism and disregard for civil liberties by avoiding any correlation with tattoos because you didn’t mention them explicitly.

              Every knows what you were talking about bro. The fact you asked this question makes me think you’re a troll with no convictions for attacking modern fascism. Thanks for giving that away so all of us can treat you as such.

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      Or more interestingly evil…could they be given tattoos forcible to make them look like that?

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    It’s a very honest article.

    It’s hard to know how to respond, however. The problem is religion. And believe it or not, compassion and the existence of trans people is the key that has allowed the psychopathic class to gain power.

    spoiler

    Many religious types see empathy as a threat to their religious beliefs, which are all innately fake. All people who are kind and empathetic and understand science want to be kind to people who are trans, and for religious people, this threatens the core of their belief system. In the beginning, the Unicorn Sky Man created Adam and Even, not Adam Eve and THEM. So if some people are intersex, and some people look male but feel female, or look female and feel male, it exposes the lies of their religious myths and suddenly makes the bullshit at the CORE of their cult very clear.

    These religious people can’t admit their beliefs are based on lies, can’t admitted they were tricked into believing bullshit, and so they will cling to ANYTHING that supports their delusional moron cult instead of providing empathy to people who are different.

    Suddenly, in come the psychopaths who don’t give a fuck about anyone, knowing full well they can exploit this situation for more power and money. And sadly they have taken this large core of religious delusional idiots, which makes up about 65% of the country, and they are appealing directly to them: “We will support your religious delusions by hating trans people + we have some other ideas.” And the 65% universally voted for it.

    The other ideas are all psychopathic ideas to enrich and empower this psychopathic class, which the 65% don’t understand because let’s face it they are all idiots who mostly don’t understand science which is why they believe in religious bullshit, and now the psychopathic class are trying to use subterfuge and obfuscation to hide the fact that the “other ideas” are going to fuck over everyone in order to consolidate power and wealth.

    So previously, most cruel movements stopped because of religion: slavery stopped because white women started feeling the hypocrisy of claiming to be Christian while being cruel to black people who seemed similar to themselves, with this similarity in part because white men had been raping black women. The Holocaust stopped because there was a disabled president who felt it was immoral to kill people who were different, backed up by a public who believed Jewish people were part of their religious foundation.

    So now, it’s different: the others are people that the 65% can’t relate to with tattoos who are either ethnically different and not linked to their religious beliefs or are trans people who they simply choose to believe are mentally ill because if trans people aren’t mentally ill, it means their religion is based on lies. The psychopaths who have come into power innately understand this. I do not believe for one moment that Trump Vance and their ilk at the top really believe all this religious bullshit. They understand it and they use it.

    This 65 percent is a dangerous monstrosity that is destroying the country with their stupid religious beliefs. But there’s really no winning in this situation. The 65 percent cannot become “woke” because they are idiots. Would you wake up a camel or wake up a pig? Can you enlighten a rat or a turkey? No, these people will always be idiots, they are a dangerous amorphous blob of idiocy and if you try to wake them up they will cling to their bibles, truck nuts, and beer while yelling about trans people.

    What is also happening is the world is currently being environmentally destroyed. At the risk of sounding crazy, but who gives a fuck because it’s lemmy, we are also dealing with a strange presence that lives in our oceans with advanced technology and flying crafts. They have bases and can alter time, according to some, unless this is all a lie. We don’t know why they are there, we don’t know if this planet is just being farmed, or if they have always been there, waiting like cicadas to feast on all of us once become plentiful enough during some orgiastic 10000 year feast, and no one fucking discusses this bizarre situation or why they are there. The military claims they don’t know. We also do not know if those beings have somehow infiltrated leadership. Our leaders are not tested for loyalty publicly. For all we know, every single major player in the US right now could be compromised. This may not even be a psychopathic class. This may be Russian compromise at best. We simply do not know who in our leaders is loyal because any adversary of the US can see this “hack” is fairly simple: appeal to the delusional bullshit of religious people by hating trans people and you can own the country, because decent politicians aren’t idiots and know that intersex people and people with different gender identities exist. But 65% of the country is actually that fucking stupid.

    And so this evil happens, with people being sent to a Latino Holocaust, and there’s really no way to fight it because they control 65% of the public through a hack. There can be no religious awakening of these morons now because any consciousness, any awareness or decency or empathy means acknowledging trans people and that means acknowledging their religion is a heaping pile of lies, which it’s always been.

    The psychopathic class, or possibly a controlled class, that has gotten into power also knows the conundrum that decent leaders feel: if you are a decent leader, do you stop fighting for basic normal rights for trans people to try to get some of the 65% back, thereby ensuring some trans people will feel marginalized and literally die as a result through deaths of despair, or do you refuse to morally compromise, ensuring doom? Eventually, more accepting young people are going to start voting, so this problem will eventually go away in 20 years, but the cruelty and exploitation and viciousness is all happening right now. So what can be done right now?

    I’m not sure if there’s anything that can be done. I don’t see a solution. I am not sure organization will do anything, protests will do anything, the math just isn’t on the side of decent people. Does anyone think there is a solution to this problem that doesn’t involve waiting 20 years?

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        The “tomfoolery” is documented and there have been congretional hearings on it. My point is that we have no proof that everyone in power is not a Russian agent, or worse, and this hack would allow any adversary who sees the exploit to gain control.

        There was a time when covid first spread right next to a literal covid laboratory and the media said it was from bats and scientists said they had done genetic testing prooving it came from bats. At the time, even saying that it was possibly more likely that covid came from the covid laboratory was “misinformation” and a “conspiracy” that would get people banned from social media. People like you were the ones who would either laugh or gasp when people suggested covid came from a covid biolab back then. There are numerous public reports documenting unusual crafts decending into the ocean. I am sorry you are too scared or culturally constrained to acknowledge something is happening: either people in the military are lying or it’s real. Either way, it’s not something wise to ignore and you, sir, are the fool, with a name like heliumfart the clown wig on top.

        The fact that the 65 percent can be easily controlled through this hack and we can’t be sure if the ruling administration is even loyal to US interests or to something else is part of the problem.

        This does seem to be a concentration camp, many people fear what will happen to LGBT people next especially transgender people, and there have already undoubtedly been deaths of depair for transgender people as a result of this.

        If you have a better analysis or resolution, please, please write it, suggest options that people who are against extreme cruelty for people who are different can undertake. Because I don’t see how. Much like a parasite is able to get an ant to stand on a leaf, you can literally steal the farms and insurance from the 65 percent as long as you bash trans people affirming the illogical religious beliefs of the 65 percent. You can literally open up a concentration camp in the name of jesus and visit the pope after pretending to believe in kindness if you control the 65 percent by bashing trans people. It is an easy hack: the cognitive dissonance of the 65 percent is incredible and if you can help them not feel that tension regarding the lies at the core of their belief system, you capture that whole voting block regardless of what else you do.

        The fact that there may be underwater basis with something down there, or that many military personelle are lying about this, should be a fucking concern, and if you think that’s foolery you’re not thinking clearly. We don’t know if this means another nation, we don’t know if this is a culture from a different planet or a culture thay is just advanced and lives in the ocean, we don’t know if it’s some sort of interdimensional consciousness or intelligence. The government in the USA has also lied to people in the US before so we can’t be sure the information they are providing is accurate. We also simultaneously have people in power that are behaving in unusual ways that suggest a possible alignment with Russia and that may be due to mutual beliefs or it may be due to payments. We do not know.

        When there is suddenly inexplicably a concentration camp that the US is sending people to, the fact that we do have to second-guess the loyalty of those in power is an important part of this. Although Republicans have often been greedy and selfish, ideological differences were also part of the equation at one point. Now, I am not sure if this is just about ideology.

        With the biosphere likely to eventually collapse at the rate the world is going, Republicans either think that they will amass enough wealth that in a neo-feudal hot planet they will be able to survive or they really are so stuoid they aren’t thinking at all.

        All of these things still don’t solve the problem. The state the US is in is much like if you are using Qubes and suddenly you see your mouse open up a terminal in dom0 and someone type “I have access now.” The usa has been compromised by this transgender-religiousidiocy hack of 65 percent and there is now a rootkit. Someone has control and it’s notneven clear who has control nor how to disinfect the system.

        I’d be facinated to hear what the fuck you think is so illogical about what I posted?

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    It is my firm belief that anyone who would do this or approve of this image should be removed from society. There should be some kind of test where these images are shown to a person. If they are not disgusted by them they should be imprisoned for the safety of everyone else for life. Not imprisoned like they would but housed somewhere they can do no harm to anyone.

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    ICE detention centers in the USA count as concentration camps as do American Indian reservations, too, but yes we now have our own concentration camps out-of-country like the CIA black sites for illegal rendition or the NAZIs in Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Belarus and the “secure hamlet” programs carried out by our Vietnam vets, for examples.

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    From Wikipedia:

    “A concentration camp is a prison or other facility used for the internment of political prisoners or politically targeted demographics, such as members of national or minority ethnic groups, on the grounds of state security, or for exploitation or punishment.”

    I’d say it tracks.

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      It is not new though, it started with Guantanamo concentration camp for Taliban fighters.

      It is not new though, it started with 10 concentrations camps during World War 2 for Japanese Americans.

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        It is not new though, it started with Guantanamo concentration camp for Taliban fighters.

        It is not new though, it started with 10 concentrations camps during World War 2 for Japanese Americans.

        It is not new though, it started with concentration camps for the extermination and removal of the Native Americans

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        In Die Hard, when Hans is describing Takagi, he says “interned at Manzanar 1942-43”. 9 year old imsufferableninja thought he was talking about an internship at a prestigious company called Manzanar. 25 year old imsufferableninja finally figured it out. They did not teach about the US’s concentration camps at my schools, for some reason…

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          Because it was used for a select few (relatively speaking). It wasn’t a camp built to concentrate a sizeable portion of our population into one small area.

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          It was an off the record black torture/interrogation site. They didn’t send every taliban they accounted there. It was selective.

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            Ah, sorry, I didn’t realize that the Nazis sent all their prisoners to one camp. I guess those weren’t concentration camps, either.

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              I’m sure the Nazis had torture/interrogation sites too.

              Nobody said that not being a concentration camp made Guantanamo ok.

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                No, someone just said it’s not a concentration camp because everyone of one demographic wasn’t there.

                Actually, on further thought, I’ll give you that. But, unsurprisingly, limited rights abuses tend to lead to more extensive rights abuses, and the only really surprising thing is that it took more than 20 years to go from torture camps to concentration camps. Waiting for those ghettos, Poland style.

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    They’re right that we should at minimum not allow them to define how we talk about this, and we should call it what it is.

    But we should also have a plan to avoid getting put in a concentration camp when we do so. Stay safe, and be good everyone.

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      The Nazis didn’t have the historical context of the Nazis’ rise to power to help guide them.

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      Nazis got to all the points they wanted so lightning-fast that nothing happening now can rival it.

      That’s one of the reasons for the cultural shock about Nazis - everybody expected such processes to happen very slowly, in small flashes, as they do now. Thus them to be voted out or pressed out as a reaction, or at least for most potential victims to flee Germany, gradual pressure, compromise, all that.

      Instead they came to power, almost momentarily changed the internal balance of power (of armed forces, their own paramilitary organizations, veteran organizations and such), anschlussed Austria, “solved unemployment” (organized massive programs of building autobahns and such, not very economically viable, but a symbol and a working mechanism), attracted investments (various scams on enormous scale, but the funds were attracted and it wasn’t all scams), scaled the military back to something realistic, performed successful rearmament programs … And built concentration camps. They started with something like Guantanamo almost immediately after coming to power, then didn’t lose any time to learn.

      See, they had an apparatus, even a social layer of very well educated people, but with indoctrination of service and obedience, and the legacy of German science and industry and patriotism too. They broke that, but not before successfully using it for a lot of things.

      That’s the problem with building good systems, they prevent idiots from learning who they are earlier. It’s the same with Sun and DEC and other legacy in tech. Everybody still uses their paradigms and products descended from theirs. Vision, architecture, aesthetic (only hidden somewhere deep). So everybody big has now IMHO wrong ideas about how to solve problems, but since everybody also uses solutions made by those who had right ideas 30-15 years ago, they don’t get the feedback. Today’s tech is a pile of crap reinforced with yesteryear grass, but it doesn’t fall apart in your hands because for the main problems you use solutions from a more civilized age.

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        While this was informative, I don’t quite understand the progressive change from concentration camps in nazi Germany to a fanatic escalating hate for… Uh… x86 architecture?

        Sounds like a really, really wild ride to be on.

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          It’s a more general thought. Our actions do not have immediate visible consequences. Thus we can break everything and think we are winning.

          Also on the subject of Nazis it does possess some value, they loved analogies between relevant modern techologies of their time and sociopolitical events. Where the word “anschluss” comes from, by the way. It literally translates like “connecting”, as with electricity. Well, electricity wasn’t new, but radio was, Nazis used radio a lot and referred to use of radio to show how modern and revolutionary they are.

          Important because it applies to leftists often, if you say “leftists made Trump” or “leftists made MAGA” or “leftists broke American democracy” or something like that, it’ll sound clearly wrong, but it won’t be. USSR was a clear case of using what others made and thinking that it’s their own achievement by its administrators, most of its history, while first they were using the tremendous results of Stolypin reforms and then NEP (Lenin was a bit smarter than his buddies), and then selling fossil resources to support visibility of a working economy, but that’s kinda off topic.

          I’m not talking about x86 architecture, I’m talking about everyone using Java and Sun idea of the web, just slowly worsened and degenerate, first of all. Or Windows NT, it was fine in year 1999, but being stuck there for 20 years is just wrong.

          So, back to our day and how it’s useful, systems should have smaller latency for evolution to work well. Like those temples in Japan, which are constantly being rebuilt in all of their parts. You should be able to tear down a republic and build a new one in a couple of years.

          Getting back to Nazis - if the system they captured had smaller latency, they wouldn’t have managed to even annex Austria.

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