Really you don’t need to read more than one chart:

If you vote for anyone other than Harris, you’re voting for Trump:

  • ThePowerOfGeek
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    I know of a couple of Lemmy users who frequently hype third party candidates, and who will not like this analysis at all, lol.

    • @[email protected]
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      -12 months ago

      We discount this analysis because it’s self serving. Third Way as other orgs that diminish 3rd party candidates do so in an attempt to protect their own positions of power. Voters continuing to elect neo fascists from the duopoly vote against their own interests to do the bidding of the neo fascists

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        And your hopeless manifestation approach to breaking the two-party duopoly isn’t entirely self-serving?

        It won’t accomplish anything. You will never win any election against the two-party behemoths without Democratic reform.

        But you folks don’t ever advocate for that, just unqualified spoiler candidates, and never in local elections where independents have more of a chance.

        Even if your heart is in the right place, you’re a liability to progress because you care more about Democrats being imperfect than you do about Republicans being fascist.

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          You say spoiler as if we would ever vote for your candidates. Anyway. There could be no third party candidates on the ballot and we would not vote for your appointed candidates

          I see both of them as being fascist, the Democrat ratchet effect enables right-wing fascism to take hold.

  • @[email protected]
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    Using Third Way as a source? The same organization that helped push the entire party and country to the right? Bill Clinton and Third Way started the shift to the right and Harris finalized that transition to become the dominant conservative party.

    • @[email protected]OPM
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      I have other sites with the same stats, but this article makes the dangers of third paries easiest to understand.

  • @[email protected]
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    Oh wow, thirdway.org says you can’t have an alternative to two candidates who don’t represent you and have to choose between the candidates offered to you no matter your politics!

    You don’t say!

    In case any reader of this post isn’t aware: thirdway.org is the website for people associated with the Third Way which is described as a triangulation between communism and capitalism but ends up still being capitalism somehow.

    • @[email protected]
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      Triangulation was a middle ground between Democrat and Republican ideology developed by Bill Clinton, Third Way, and the DLC. And has helped shift the entire party to the right. It has nothing to do with communism.

      Garbage like this article and Third Way is self serving

      • @[email protected]
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        Third way politics were common in Europe and there they were explicitly anticommunist. I think they were even promoted by state department cutouts. I didn’t want to make it solely about the us third way even though that website is the us third way clintonite psychos.

        Whomst are absolutely anticommunist as well.

        I’m just astounded that a person would post an article from the third way to make the case against third parties.

            • @[email protected]
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              -22 months ago

              Third way is essentially a rightwing capitalist think tank posing as progressive. They, along with Bill Clinton and his DLC started the party shift to the right to in order to appeal to big money that had normally been flowing to republicans. They are opposed to third parties because it would harm capital.

              Their name Third Way doesnt imply an an alternative approach to government, but representative of triangulation, the centrist approach to government, a little leftish a little rightish

  • @[email protected]
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    02 months ago

    certain lemmy users around these parts absolutely frothing at the mouth seeing this graph

    • @[email protected]
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      02 months ago

      The argument is always that “A vote for Not X is a vote for Y”, forgetting how many third party voters would simply skip the ballot line or refuse to vote at all if these options weren’t available.

      Calling Jill Stein and Chase Oliver “fascist enablers” for appearing on the ballot misses the entire reason they have a vote base at all.

      • BigFig
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        02 months ago

        Fuck Jill Stein. Never forget the dinner she attended

        • @[email protected]
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          If people can tolerate Trump being on the Epstein flight logs and Harris taking enormous sums from the Crypto-Bros, I don’t think Stein’s dinner with the Russians is going to phase them.

          But I guess you can always default to the Libertarians. Can’t think of anything problematic about a bunch of Americans that idolize Milei.

          • @[email protected]
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            -12 months ago

            And the enormous sums she taken from AIPAC, and refusing to prosecute one of the architects of the 2008 housing crisis, opposing body cams on cops, locking up parents of truant children, etc. etc.

            • @[email protected]
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              02 months ago

              Oh sure, but this is all far-right pro-Trump propaganda. Don’t let it influence you in any way.

              • @[email protected]
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                -12 months ago

                Facts are not propaganda, you may believe that everything you disagree with is propaganda. She has a well-documented history of an being authoritarian right-wing cop

                • @[email protected]
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                  02 months ago

                  Facts are not propaganda

                  Ben Shapiro ass response.

                  Selective release of and focus on information is a classic propaganda technique.

                • @[email protected]
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                  also I believe that was sarcasm and they were agreeing with you.

                  edit: unless they weren’t. I honestly don’t know anymore lmao. cause they’re right about propaganda but that doesn’t mean it’s cool to just disregard facts that make you feel less good about doing something. One should take in the whole picture.

    • @[email protected]OPM
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      A similar article will be posted every time Monk posts one supporting a 3rd party spoiler from now on.

      • @[email protected]
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        -12 months ago

        Spoiler implies we would vote for a Democrat if there were no 3rd party options. We would not. There’s a larger chance you would vote for a republican than us voting Democrat

        • @[email protected]OPM
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          For you, personally, that may be true. Statistically speaking, in general, it’s very much the opposite:

          https://www.thirdway.org/memo/the-data-how-third-parties-could-be-spoilers-that-elect-trump

          “Similarly, Third Way’s polling has found that Biden’s voters are 13 percentage points more likely to consider voting for a third party than Trump’s voters. While Biden has a higher ceiling, with his possible vote totals well north of 50%, Trump has a stronger floor: his voters are more loyal, so third parties are less likely to draw them away.”

          If you lean left, and you fail to vote for the Democratic candidate, you only help the Republican candidate.

          • @[email protected]
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            There’s the confusion, we dont lean left, we are left. Democrat voters lean left then vote for non left leaning candidates. In rhetoric the DNC may sound like they lean left but in action they do not.

      • Coelacanth
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        Genuine question: why has he not been banned? To me he seems to repeatedly violate the rule about arguing in good faith, and - to be honest - his passive aggressive civility feels at times more hostile than straight up attacks.

        • @[email protected]OPM
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          We’ve talked about it amongst ourselves with the mods and admins and have concluded that having a shitty opinion is not infringing.

          They do post legitimate sources with legitimate opinions. They’re BAD opinions, but you aren’t going to get banned for having a bad opinion.

          • Coelacanth
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            I don’t much have an issue with the material they chose to post - the nature of a link aggregator will sort them to the bottom regardless due how how voting works and as you say, they’re legitimate sources.

            My issue is more regarding their conduct in the comment sections.

              • @[email protected]
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                Have ya ever heard of Southern politeness? Cause ya can technically be cordial while being a complete shitbag, a good example being “bless your heart” more or less meaning go die in a hole.

          • @[email protected]
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            12 months ago

            It’s not the opinion, it’s the JAQ energy and baiting.

            If they just posted articles, that’s one thing.

            They legitimately try to bait people into being heated about things. Afterwhich, they cry victim