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Good. I was a part of the Green Party, I left when I learned they were planning of running a candidate this year, when internally, we were floating around the idea of NOT running a candidate. I am now a member of the Working Families Party.
Good on you, but I’d like to point out that you meant “a part” not “apart”. Apart means separate from.
Thanks for the correction!
Damn, even people in other countries seem to understand what’s going on. I guess they don’t see both sides as the same for some reason. 🤔
I’m sure people in other nations are holding their breath right now. This election has huge consequences world wide.
This might have helped two months ago. Thanks Europe. Better late than never I guess?
Europeans are confused by America’s constant election cycle.
We’re confused as hell how parliamentary systems work too, so fair I guess?
From a European perspective the race should be in the final quarter since it would have started two weeks ago.
Sort your own fascists out, America. JFC.
Some of us are fucking trying, and wasn’t expecting any help anyway. I am sure Trump taking back over would have no effect on you…
How’s that working out in Italy and Bavaria? Good thing Europeans have historically been able to keep fascism in check before it gets out of hand, or I might start to worry.
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Said a spawn of the British Empire that needed help to sort out European fascism last time.
Just embarrassing to not view antifascism as a global effort in general tbqh.
When you’re talking about an economy like the US, it’s never just our own. Unfortunately for the rest of the world.
Stein pulling out wouldn’t result in more votes for Harris. It would just make more people stay home. I think they’re more worried about greens hitting the 5% national threshold.
Stop assuming these votes are stolen from Harris. She hasn’t earned them.
You’re right. If they weren’t going to vote for Harris, to me it sounds like they’re perfectly fine with another Trump presidency and the decades of consequences that would follow.
Say you need a life saving operation. Your choices are: a skilled surgeon who is suspected to have cheated on their spouse, George Clooney from the hit TV show ER, or a mediocre at best veterinarian. This is essentially the state of things. A qualified person, a fictional character, and a person who is tangentially qualified at best.
The country needs a life saving operation. Harris is extremely qualified candidate who at worst carries some of the murky ethical baggage of any career politician. Trump is not only unqualified, but uniquely contraindicated (vindictive, foreign debts, exceedingly old, litany of bonafide legal issues, unrepentant rapist). And Stein is at best a politician shaped object, who is perhaps qualified enough to be a pundit or a podcast host.
For the safety of people of color, for women, for the environment, for the rule of law, for diplomacy, for the economy, there is only one pragmatic choice, and that choice is Harris.
Nothing in Harris’ record shows she’s qualified. She’s done a measurably shit job in every position she’s been in.
Really, nothing at all qualifies her? Not her 6 years as an attorney general? Or her 4 years as a senator? Her 3 years as vice president? She’s better educated, has a better resume, doesn’t have 30 something felonies, and isn’t 78 years old. We already tried Trump as president once and America survived by the skin of our teeth. And he has not improved as a candidate in any way in the intervening 4 years.
The horrible shit she did while working those positions hurts her more than it helps. Trump’s problems don’t erase that.
She’s also openly declaring her intent to commit a felony when in office, by arming a genocide, which is one of the worst crimes a human being can possibly commit.
You’re using some pretty high flying rhetoric for someone who isn’t citing any specifics. Which “horrible shit” are you most concerned with? The 20 billion dollar settlement she won for people with foreclosed homes? The 1.1 billion dollar settlement she won for defrauded students and veterans? The tie breaking votes she cast in the Senate, more than anyone in history, that helped pass among other things the 1.9 trillion dollar covid 19 stimulus, and the inflation reduction act, which generated 115 billion in tech investments and generated an estimated 95 thousand new jobs? Her explicit opposition to the death penalty? Her work against hate crimes? Her defense of the LGBTQ community? She is capable, intelligent, and proven.
Between her fighting to keep arming a genocide, fighting to withhold evidence that would’ve cleared defendants, and other crimes she’s committed in office, I think it’s clear that either way this goes we’re getting a president who does not believe they have to obey the law.
She hasn’t earned them.
The binary choice and the risks of failure have been mentioned so many times, that I worry for people who don’t get it.
Both candidates support genocide. A binary choice would be an improvement from what we have now.
At best, one candidate doesn’t do enough to oppose genocide, while the other candidate offers their full throated support, advising that Isreal “just finish the job”. We’re not looking for a perfect candidate, we’re looking for the best candidate. And there is absolutely a candidate with a better track record of compassion, and a likelier chance of fighting the fire rather than fueling it in exchange for political favors.
Either way, you’re supporting a criminal. I don’t think it’s expecting a lot asking a politician to follow the law.
Why would European Greens be worried about the Greens getting more than 5%
I suspect they’re acting as controlled opposition to absorb activist energies. They’re openly shepherding activist voters to a capitalist party in this action.
Wasn’t aware there was an anti-capitalist candidate running, but that’s beside the point. Why do you accuse other countries’ parties of controlled opposition? This doesn’t make any sense. Are you saying they’re propping up Kamala. Many European greens are more left than Stein
Yes, unfortunately the corruption of US capitalists spreads its tendrils across the globe.
There are multiple anti-capitalist candidates running this election. But US media is completely corrupted, and gives them almost zero coverage. But kinda weird you said you didn’t know there’s any running, while commenting on an article about one of them.
Most of her policies seem to be social democratic. And I find the suggestion that European politics are nothing but a US puppetshow pretty insulting.
K. Let me know when European countries stop acting as vassal states, and putting their interests after those of the US.
You’re currently paying exorbitant energy prices, because the US & UK destroyed a critical pipeline, and the only people held accountable were those Europeans calling for an investigation into the terrorism.
“But I’ve finally gotten David Duke on board!”
That’s so sad. They think she’s genuine.
The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout ‘SAVE US!’…and I’ll look down and whisper 'No.
-Jill Stein, probably
You mean Russian Asset Jill Stein?
I was talking about intentional spoiler candidate for Trump whom Republicans are scrambling to get on as many ballots as possible Jill Stein, but maybe we’re talking about the same person here.
Po-traitor, Po-traito
Russia controls ¾ of US candidates. Awesome.
A nation that sent his troops on an invasion without boots and helmets controls ¾ of the candidates of the most powerful and advanced nation in the world that spend 10 times as much money in war and propaganda than everyone else, that has thousand military facilities around the globe, that has the biggest mass surveillance network ever seen in history with satellites capable of snooping at every inch of the planet at any given time.
That’s what you are saying.
Yeah that’s what I am saying. Trump is definitely compromised, for example. And he’s not the only one, look at the Hungarian PM. They would sell their ass if Putin asked so.
https://saganic.blogspot.com/2007/06/us-military-bases-in-italy-there-are.html
This is how many military facilities usa has in italy alone. More than 100. As an italian it seem laughable to me to believe that the former ceo of usa is controlled by russia.
Allora sei il primo italiano MAGA che io abbia mai visto. Comunque non ci sono 100 basi US, le stai mischiando con le basi NATO
You are more MAGA than me, you are defending the US government who’s former ceo is trump.
I see these comments a lot and I’d like to learn more. Do you have any articles on this?
Well, start here at a dinner she attended in Moscow in late 2015:
Years later, after Trump was elected, she claimed it was just perfunctory, with no real interaction with Putin. She also claims she received no payment for being there, although we know Flynn received 45k from Putin for his attendance.
Then there is this from 2016 about Russian efforts to divert Clinton voters to stein. She also received intense press coverage by RT, Russians propaganda TV station, that was not banned in the US at the time.
Here she is refusing to call Putin a war criminal, a stance she suddenly recanted days later.
Here is evidence she is currently working with the GOP.
Thank you for the well cited reply! Scary.
According to the lesser evil logic receiving money from putin is still less evil than being a fascist or being supporting a genocide.
Coordinating directly with Putin, the oligarch dictator of Russia, who is currently engaged in a genocide in Ukraine, to elect Trump, a US presidential candidate that has told Israel it “needs to finish the job,” a person whose son in law has said gaza is “excellent beach front property,” and who hid the number of drone strikes and their casualties caused during his admin, is the lesser evil?
I’d call the above stupid, not its far to disingenuous to be an actual real perspective.
Like it or not that still lesser evil than being a fascist who said israel “needs to finish the job” or being actively fueling a genocide by sending israel fascist government “whatever it needs”.
Lesser evil logic, you vote for the lesser evil.
This is nonsense.
FPTP voting means there are 2 viable options only. If you don’t vote for the “lesser evil,” you are voting for the “greater evil.”
Choosing to not make a choice is still a choice. Voting for “not Harris” is the exact same thing as voting for “yes Trump” in our system.
You’re voting for the greater evil by voting for Jill Stein, which is exactly what her and her partners Putin and Trump want.
Yes the lesser evil logic is non sense.
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So one single poll suggests this when every other poll seems to suggest otherwise (even then, 1% is well within the single poll’s own +/- 2.1% margin of error), and the news outlet reporting this is the zero-standards rag Newsweek. Thank you, FrogPrincess, very cool.
Stein has the potential to give Michigan to Trump, and we should be worried about that.
Jill Stein responded “I will not abondon this race comrades!”
She’s hurting his chances, so I this is moronic. Mind your own politics you fried bread eaters.
Breaking news: people with an actual commitment to environmentalism recognize Jill Stein for the obvious Russian shill and extreme threat to environmentalism she is. More at 11.
The best thing Stein could do for the environment right now is to quit.
Decomposing is also an option.
They also recognize the current government as an extreme threat to environment
I voted for Jill Stein in 2016 because I assumed Hillary was going to win anyway, and I was in a solidly red state so fuck it, might as well vote 3rd party.
Then Trump won.
Then I learned about Stein’s backwards views on nuclear energy, GMOs and vaccines.
Then she turned out to be a Russian asset.
Then she decided to run again and again, knowing that she’s only acting as a spoiler for the Dems.Boy did I make a mistake in 2016. I wish there was a perfect candidate for everyone to vote for, but unfortunately keeping Trump out of the white house is the best we can do. Harris isn’t my first choice, but I voted for her on behalf of all of the people who will suffer under another Trump presidency.
Yep me exactly too. Though I vote in a solidly blue state, it won’t change much but the dems have gotten better and all 3rd parties have gotten worse in recent years, so I have no problem voting dem this time just to take zero risks.
